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Re: New Jersey man admits to beating friend to death with 25-pound dumbbell
« Reply #175 on: August 06, 2015, 08:53:06 PM »
Harley,

do you think Phil Heath is a shitty Mr. Olympia?
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« Reply #176 on: August 07, 2015, 03:48:28 AM »
And here I thought scooping the news that Kai Greene left MHP would draw some chatter.
Well, I agree, it's not very earth shattering.

It's missing any drama. If you were to add that they weren't shipping him enough grapefruits we'd be gossiping away.

I also suspect Kai is more liked and dare I say respected on getbig due to Phildo's videos, while Kai keels his head down and works hard.

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« Reply #177 on: August 07, 2015, 04:04:35 AM »
It's missing any drama. If you were to add that they weren't shipping him enough grapefruits we'd be gossiping away.

I also suspect Kai is more liked and dare I say respected on getbig due to Phildo's videos, while Kai keels his head down and works hard.

Team Ramy here...

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« Reply #178 on: August 07, 2015, 05:19:52 AM »
On the question of Phil, Kai or Ramy,
  The answers depend on whether or not you are taking into account more than their actual physiques on the stage.
  Supposing for a moment, that personal proclivities and ideologies were absent and we just assessed what we saw on stage I would say the following:
  Phil- I understand why he wins the Mr. O.  His "stage-size" is enough and his conditioning puts him over the top.
  Kai- When he comes in condition (which I don't think he has in the most recent shows), and by condition, I mean freakishly dry and etched as is or
should be required to be the elite, and then you consider the quality of his back and the massive parts he presents, he is hard to take your eyes from.
  Ramy- His sheer size is mesmerizing but the lack of muscle maturity due to his age and "new-found" muscle screams to me that he is just not ready to
win the Mr. O.  I saw Ramy the day after a show at Bev's gym and he is what bodybuilders are supposed to be:  Massive and Freaky.  Those types of builds
are not as common anymore. 
  My opinion, for the little it's worth is this: I want my Mr. O to walk down the street in any country and make peoples' mouths drop in awe.  I want him huge
like a dinosaur.  The way Phil carries himself in public and the way he dresses, he just doesn't appear or feel like a Mr. O to me.  He may be a very nice guy, but if all we
are considering is physique, then I am not sure he fulfills my Mr. O expectations.   Our sport should have a leviathan as it's king.  In my humble opinion, Phil is a formerly
somewhat thin guy who put on big body parts rather quickly.  Sometimes the oil (no pun intended) needs time to settle before the painting can truly be considered finished.
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Re: New Jersey man admits to beating friend to death with 25-pound dumbbell
« Reply #179 on: August 07, 2015, 05:32:07 AM »

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« Reply #180 on: August 07, 2015, 05:51:41 AM »

Sometimes the oil (no pun intended) needs time to settle before the painting can truly be considered finished.

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« Reply #181 on: August 07, 2015, 05:55:25 AM »
On the question of Phil, Kai or Ramy,
  The answers depend on whether or not you are taking into account more than their actual physiques on the stage.
  Supposing for a moment, that personal proclivities and ideologies were absent and we just assessed what we saw on stage I would say the following:
  Phil- I understand why he wins the Mr. O.  His "stage-size" is enough and his conditioning puts him over the top.
  Kai- When he comes in condition (which I don't think he has in the most recent shows), and by condition, I mean freakishly dry and etched as is or
should be required to be the elite, and then you consider the quality of his back and the massive parts he presents, he is hard to take your eyes from.
  Ramy- His sheer size is mesmerizing but the lack of muscle maturity due to his age and "new-found" muscle screams to me that he is just not ready to
win the Mr. O.  I saw Ramy the day after a show at Bev's gym and he is what bodybuilders are supposed to be:  Massive and Freaky.  Those types of builds
are not as common anymore. 
  My opinion, for the little it's worth is this: I want my Mr. O to walk down the street in any country and make peoples' mouths drop in awe.  I want him huge
like a dinosaur.  The way Phil carries himself in public and the way he dresses, he just doesn't appear or feel like a Mr. O to me.  He may be a very nice guy, but if all we
are considering is physique, then I am not sure he fulfills my Mr. O expectations.   Our sport should have a leviathan as it's king.  In my humble opinion, Phil is a formerly
somewhat thin guy who put on big body parts rather quickly.  Sometimes the oil (no pun intended) needs time to settle before the painting can truly be considered finished.
Harley

I totally agree with what you said about Phil and why he leaves so many of us underwhelmed by him as Mr Olympia. As you said Mr O should have a massive presence everywhere he goes, he needs to be a a larger than life figure who inspires those who see him to take up weight training and better themselves. Phil spends 80% of the year conserving himself and looking pretty average even when compared with the general public. How long do you think his reign will last? Do you see him reaching the illusive ninth Mr Olympia title?!

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« Reply #182 on: August 07, 2015, 06:02:08 AM »
Dear Rascal full,
  I certainly do not see Phil winning 9 Mr. O titles as that would put him at the pantheon of all previous Mr. Olympia winners.
  Again, Phil may be a very nice person but I don't ever want my Mr. O talking about playing basketball!!!
  I was disappointed when I saw him in person at the Dallas show for the simple reason that he decided to sit and answer questions
for a crowd of fans while wearing an over-sized t-shirt and shorts that fell between his knees and ankles.
  My Mr. O shows the fans exactly what they want to see whether or not it's his off-season or the day after a show.
  I once went to a show in Charlestown, I think, and Dennis James was competing. He walked around in a tank top the whole time.
  BAMM- show over!!!
  Bodybuilding fans want to be encouraged and invigorated and that doesn't come from hearing how a guy is going to put down his haters
or how many times a day he eats broiled chicken.  Show the fans what they came to see- Muscle, pure and simple.
  If I talked like a mouse in court, no one would leave impressed nor want to hire me.
  My Mr. O isn't a mouse, he is a monster whose presence is not only felt, but also SEEN.
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« Reply #183 on: August 07, 2015, 06:04:57 AM »
HE was a cop/detective long time,and had great build'delts'were great ,nice overall look...did jersey proud..

Lol...our nickname for him is Schackdaddy. He still looks very impressive and is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I converse with him weekly. He is now residing in the great state of FL. John is also an avid MMA guy and we catch the UFC from time to time.

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« Reply #184 on: August 07, 2015, 06:07:38 AM »
  I've always said that John had literally the greatest abs I've ever seen.

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« Reply #185 on: August 07, 2015, 06:14:17 AM »
Harley,

Give us your take on Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler. I think Ronnie at his best was the freakiest creature to ever walk Earth or at least since the dinosaurs lol. I met Jay Cutler and the man was impressive during his reign, and he was also a nice guy. I think Jay is highly under-rated in the BB world.

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« Reply #186 on: August 07, 2015, 06:47:56 AM »
Dear Nicorulez,
   As per Ronnie and Jay, it's pretty simple, in my opinion.
   These are 2 classic examples of building mature muscle over time.  Is it a coincidence that Jay was competing as a teen ager and continued to put on huge mass
throughout the years?  He has the muscle maturity that guys like Ramy and Rolly need in order to make it to that next level.  But, that takes time.  Today's guys are in a
rush and their muscles show it.
   Jay as a teen ager was awesome and you knew he was going to make his mark in the sport if he continued.  Well, he continued and his muscle not only grew but matured.
   Ronnie first appeared to me to be a thin guy with freaky bicep peak.  Well, I was wrong.  Over time, albeit, rather quickly, he grew into what he became.  But again, it took time.
   Putting personality aside, I've always said that for me, it is the physique of Flex Wheeler that probably reigns supreme over all others to have ever come upon this earth.
   However, I was there at the Mr. O in NYC when Ronnie took his first crown over Flex and it was his sheer size that could not be ignored.  I understand the love for Dorian but in all
fairness, who had such mass and such definition all over his body to that extreme before Ronnie displayed it? 
   It is Ronnie and Jay who give you that "dinosaur" feel to the Mr. O and when they were winning their respective titles, I felt as if bodybuilding was actually bodybuilding.
   I often cringe at the harsh criticism levied at Ronnie and Jay now that they have retired.  Why so much hate for perhaps the two greatest Mr. Olympians ever?
   Both were incredibly nice guys and very approachable.  And what about Jay's perseverance to come back after having lost to Dexter?  I was there the night he lost to Dexter and it was
well deserved and you could feel Jay's disappointment and embarrassment.  Well, he did what we want our champions to do.  He didn't cry foul or whine like a baby.  He came back better.
   And Ronnie getting all this hate now?  Of course he can't lift as much as he did.  But before Ronnie, which bodybuilder gave the fans so much excitement and anticipation about the way
he trained?  I swear, watching most pros train is a disgrace.  They rest and talk and lift such light weight that you lose admiration.  Ronnie made you want to see his next video.  We were all wondering
just how much can this guy squat or curl, etc.  He was a bodybuilder and not a weight lifter but who out there couldn't wait to see him train and the poundages were inspirational.  Ronnie set that standard
and who out there today has carried that torch?  I wouldn't spend much time at all watching most of these guys train.  It would put me to sleep.
   Ronnie and Jay can't be underrated as they won numerous Mr. O's, carried themselves well, and inspired us to lift harder and heavier.  Sometimes in bodybuilding, it seems to me
that a guy needs to put some time into his retirement before we go back to giving him the respect he earned.
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Re: New Jersey man admits to beating friend to death with 25-pound dumbbell
« Reply #187 on: August 07, 2015, 07:05:10 AM »
Dear Harley,

  You mentioned that you hadn't posted on getbig in a while because of a disagreement about Dorian Yates. What is your opinion of Dorian and his impact on the sport?

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« Reply #188 on: August 07, 2015, 07:08:42 AM »
Dear Shawn,
   Let me walk away for a few hours before I respond in honesty to your question about Dorian.
   I want to be honest, fair and unemotional yet I know I am going to get crushed by you guys.
   But I promise to respond in a little bit.
   I did post the story of when I asked Dorian to step outside and settle an issue with just me and him.
   That led to accusations of me lying and being a "wanna be tough guy."
   I am neither, a liar nor a tough guy.  Dennis James, Dexter, Curly Top and Craig were there when it happened.
  Anyway, I promise to respond in a bit.  I won't run away from the hard questions.
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« Reply #189 on: August 07, 2015, 07:11:50 AM »

May as well repost the original story, I don't see what you did that was so bad to Dorian, most people know that airing strong views on politics or religion, especially in the USA, isn't the best idea.

    Well, you want the truth, here it is.
     I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions.  It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition.  We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous.  I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy.  For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick
     After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block.  We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left.  I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm."  I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
     To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair.  He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself.  He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq.  He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.  
     Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond.  I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words.  I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.  
     I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds.  I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters.  I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans.  I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
    At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms.  Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big.  Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
    Well, I let it.  I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward.  Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards.  C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."  
    At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation.  Craig knew there was nothing he could do.  I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage.  I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
   It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason.  My actions were immature.  I let my emotions get the better of me.  That is not how I was brought up.
   I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
  

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« Reply #190 on: August 07, 2015, 07:15:45 AM »
Dear Shawn,
   Let me walk away for a few hours before I respond in honesty to your question about Dorian.
   I want to be honest, fair and unemotional yet I know I am going to get crushed by you guys.
   But I promise to respond in a little bit.
   I did post the story of when I asked Dorian to step outside and settle an issue with just me and him.
   That led to accusations of me lying and being a "wanna be tough guy."
   I am neither, a liar nor a tough guy.  Dennis James, Dexter, Curly Top and Craig were there when it happened.
  Anyway, I promise to respond in a bit.  I won't run away from the hard questions.
Harley


Dear Harley,

  Thank you for your honesty. I ask about Dorian because he was a big influence on me. I saw him guest-pose at the Emerald Cup in Seattle when I was a skinny bodybuiler-wannabe. He came out on stage at 300 lbs and was just amazingly big and dense. That motivated me to really get into the weights, and I'm still doing it 20 years later.

Shawn

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Re: New Jersey man admits to beating friend to death with 25-pound dumbbell
« Reply #191 on: August 07, 2015, 07:16:20 AM »

May as well repost the original story, I don't see what you did that was so bad to Dorian


Bwahahahahaha I bet Dorian wasn't used to shit like that.

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« Reply #192 on: August 07, 2015, 07:18:19 AM »
May as well repost the original story, I don't see what you did that was so bad to Dorian, most people know that airing strong views on politics or religion, especially in the USA, isn't the best idea.

Obviously, my man-love for Harley just doubled. Walker, Captain Freedom...you'd best watch your step...

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« Reply #193 on: August 07, 2015, 07:24:34 AM »
The Getbig Hero Worship Train now travelling at fullspeed.  Looks like all of the alpha-elves on the board have found their new GH15.

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« Reply #194 on: August 07, 2015, 09:10:55 AM »
People lining up to straddle a Harley in this thread.

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« Reply #195 on: August 07, 2015, 09:13:54 AM »
People lining up to straddle a Harley in this thread.

The line starts behind me, bub.

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« Reply #196 on: August 07, 2015, 09:16:50 AM »
The line starts behind me, bub.
Im assuming its the fat back model  :D

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« Reply #197 on: August 07, 2015, 09:43:56 AM »
The Getbig Hero Worship Train now travelling at fullspeed.  Looks like all of the alpha-elves on the board have found their new GH15.

Someone's jealous.

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« Reply #198 on: August 07, 2015, 10:09:10 AM »
Great that you're here, Harley.  Don't forget Lurker's question, too.

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« Reply #199 on: August 07, 2015, 10:20:46 AM »
Can't disagree with Dorian that Blair's a POS and the Bush administration was a disgrace, though.

But I completely believe Harley's story, too.  Dude is strong as F and I don't think he'd have reason to fear DY.