Ben Carson (why not)?

[240 is Back]

Who are  you supporting for president? Or at least who are a few top contenders?

I've been a very vocal "Cruz or Lose" proponent for over a year now.

Of course, some clinton voter "repubs" from liberal states will call me a lib because I call Carson a liar and trump a liberal plant, but that's their opinion, which I respect.

[Lustral]

Clearly the most intelligent man to run in decades, why wouldn't he make a good president?  I was more impressed by him than any other last night,  what if any are the potential negatives if he win office?

Isn't he a creationist therefore excluding any possibility that he could possibly be intelligent?

How can someone who was a neurosurgeon and benefits from the mountains of previous scientific and technical advances to perfrom his job possibly believe that the earth is 6000-10000 years old?

He is either stupid or disingenuous. No to mention the irony of a black person saying a Muslim being president would be contrary to the American constitution. Freedom of religion? Abolition of slavery? Civil rights?

"But you aren't black, there's a difference..." - is that what he thinks? Like I said, stupid or lying to appeal to certain republican groups.

[240 is Back]

Isn't he a creationist therefore excluding any possibility that he could possibly be intelligent?

How can someone who was a neurosurgeon and benefits from the mountains of previous scientific and technical advances to perfrom his job possibly believe that the earth is 6000-10000 years old?

He is either stupid or disingenuous. No to mention the irony of a black person saying a Muslim being president would be contrary to the American constitution. Freedom of religion? Abolition of slavery? Civil rights?

"But you aren't black, there's a difference..." - is that what he thinks? Like I said, stupid or lying to appeal to certain republican groups.

evolution is the basis of biology.
biology is the foundation of medicine.

it's impossible to believe he truly think all of this was not here 6,001 years ago.  RATHER, he chose that position because 18% of the population still believe it.  Also, this same group happens to be a little violent - a lot of eye-for-an eye, love for death penalty... SO maybe that's why he's invented all of these violent acts from his past.  These folks gave a standing ovation when Perry bragged how many people he has executed as governor, in 2012...

Add up the "i used to be super violent" with "I believe the Bible is literal" and voila, you have Ben Carson, a product invented to run for Author/endorser/fox pundit in 2015.  He's not building any campaign or longterm 50 state platform - he's blowing 70% of his money on building mailing lists.  It's what huckabee did in 2012.  Appeal to the FAR right then sell them books for 4 years

[Lustral]

evolution is the basis of biology.
biology is the foundation of medicine.

it's impossible to believe he truly think all of this was not here 6,001 years ago.  RATHER, he chose that position because 18% of the population still believe it.  Also, this same group happens to be a little violent - a lot of eye-for-an eye, love for death penalty... SO maybe that's why he's invented all of these violent acts from his past.  These folks gave a standing ovation when Perry bragged how many people he has executed as governor, in 2012...

Add up the "i used to be super violent" with "I believe the Bible is literal" and voila, you have Ben Carson, a product invented to run for Author/endorser/fox pundit in 2015.  He's not building any campaign or longterm 50 state platform - he's blowing 70% of his money on building mailing lists.  It's what huckabee did in 2012.  Appeal to the FAR right then sell them books for 4 years

Like I said. Appealing to a base of republicans and therefore being disingenuous. In fact I'd nearly class that as worse than being stupid enough to believe in creationism, like Wiggs, as he is effectively repudiating his expensive education and doing a disservice to his intellect to try to gain power.

By the way, there have been a lot of smart politicians who make terrible politicians. Obama for one.

[240 is Back]

Obama is a good politician, just terrible at leading, at policy, etc.   

He defeated the repubs twice by good margins.  Got many things thru.  Terrible in many areas but artful as a politician

[240 is Back]

Carson just admitted on Bill O'Reilly that he was Never Offered a Scholarship to West Point. He stated differently on page 57 of his book.  And in 2009 on Charlie rose. 

We can yell about politico jumping he gun with it, but if anything, they just got it out a few hours before Carson himself admitted it on Fox News.  

Carson... Heavily medicated?   No clue he's contradicting himself?

[pellius]

I've been a very vocal "Cruz or Lose" proponent for over a year now.

Of course, some clinton voter "repubs" from liberal states will call me a lib because I call Carson a liar and trump a liberal plant, but that's their opinion, which I respect.

Sorry I missed it. Judging by some of your posts I also thought you were a Democrat.

Cruz is definitely in the number one or number two spot for me. He would be a solid number one for me but I am not 100% sure about his mass appeal. When they go after him they will make him look like an uptight, repressed, war mongering, right wing extremist.

He looks pretty "establishment" and an entrenched political insider. And looks and image, rather than substance, counts for a lot with the masses.

[The Ugly]

The fact that the media is "inventing stuff to make someone look silly" isn't a story in itself?

Different story, but certainly not news.

[The Ugly]

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point".
Word for word, Carson in his book.  

Today: "I was never offered a scholarship to West Point"

New video:   2009

Carson Recently Made The Scholarship Claim On PBS. During an October 9, 2015, appearance on PBS' Charlie Rose, Carson claimed "I was offered a full scholarship to West Point":




Pretty clear there.  Politico botched the campaign conforming it, but that doesn't matter.  Carson now claiming he didn't.  In his book, his own words, claimed he did.   Period.

Got a link for this?

[240 is Back]

I'll post Charlie rose transcript once I'm home.  2009.  Lib message boards are jerking off furiously to it.  He said it on page 57 of book and repeated it on Charlie rose.  Politico.com has the video

[oldtimer1]

Carson just admitted on Bill O'Reilly that he was Never Offered a Scholarship to West Point. He stated differently on page 57 of his book.  And in 2009 on Charlie rose.  

We can yell about politico jumping he gun with it, but if anything, they just got it out a few hours before Carson himself admitted it on Fox News.  

Carson... Heavily medicated?   No clue he's contradicting himself?

He was a straight A student through high school in the Army ROTC  high school program in Detroit. He met a general as high school student at a ROTC event who said he could easily get him into West point for free tuition. He never pursued it. It's semantics. West Point doesn't give scholarships. It offers free tuition to all who attend. No, he never applied to West Point. No, he never had a scholarship.  I will trust Carson over the liberal drum pounding Politico who has a democratic agenda to pursue.

 Why isn't Politico going after Hillary for lying about being under sniper fire running for her life in Bosnia when CBS news film reveals little girls handing her flowers as she walked toward the terminal? She said she misspoke. Please, this how Obama got elected from the liberal press guiding the sheep. Worst and most divisive president in my life time.

[Lustral]

Obama is a good politician, just terrible at leading, at policy, etc.   

He defeated the repubs twice by good margins.  Got many things thru.  Terrible in many areas but artful as a politician

I think he has been a terrible politician. Too inexperienced when he took office. You can say he had to deal with a completely polarised Republican majority when trying to pass any law but so did Clinton - he knew how to cut deals though and oversaw greatest economic boom in 40 years or so with a controversial budget.

Not to mention the heightening of racial tension ("if i had a son..." please, stay out of judicial procedures, there is separation of powers in any democracy), his inability to pass gun control laws (see above), his flip flopping on foreign wars (keeping troops in Afghanistan, being in power while the Arab spring nurtured the rise of IS due to power vacuum)...

Like I said. Smart guy. Bad politician. I hate, HATE Putin, but his (former) stance on Assad being core to any solution in Syria is streetwise, Obama just repeats catchphrases about dictators and human rights while people are being beheaded, burned, displaced etc as a result of the spread of IS.

[The Ugly]

I'll post Charlie rose transcript once I'm home.  2009.  Lib message boards are jerking off furiously to it.  He said it on page 57 of book and repeated it on Charlie rose.  Politico.com has the video

No, I know what he said in the book, I meant this:

Today: "I was never offered a scholarship to West Point"

Where did he say this?

[jwb]

The pyramids people... The pyramids!

[Tapeworm]

The pyramids people... The pyramids!

Came across an awesome theory the other day by someone named Davidavits.  Blocks not quarried, carried, hoisted, & carved with millimeter precision.  Simply cast in place abutting previously cast blocks using a lime concrete.  Man made stone.

[Coach is Back!]

I've been a very vocal "Cruz or Lose" proponent for over a year now.

Of course, some clinton voter "repubs" from liberal states will call me a lib because I call Carson a liar and trump a liberal plant, but that's their opinion, which I respect.

Bullshit. You've been attacking whatever conservative or repub has been a front runner threat. Be it Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Christie or Rubio. You're fighting tooth and nail to prove that Politico story correct no matter what the opposing stories say. Holy shit, just stop and save some dignity.

[240 is Back]

Bullshit. You've been attacking whatever conservative or repub has been a front runner threat. Be it Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Christie or Rubio. You're fighting tooth and nail to prove that Politico story correct no matter what the opposing stories say. Holy shit, just stop and save some dignity.

Not Cruz.  Cruz is the man.  I want him to win the nomination and the presidency.  Look thru my post history.  I disagree with him on a few things, but I have been all about "Cruz 2016" and "cruz or lose" about 5000 times in the last year lol.   I like his positions and the way he carries himself.

[Coach is Back!]

Not Cruz.  Cruz is the man.  I want him to win the nomination and the presidency.  Look thru my post history.  I disagree with him on a few things, but I have been all about "Cruz 2016" and "cruz or lose" about 5000 times in the last year lol.   I like his positions and the way he carries himself.

You can't want Cruz who is a true conservative and then defend Killary, Sanders and Obama like you do. Nice try.

[240 is Back]

Ben Carson has repeatedly claimed he was offered a full scholarship from West Point. He conveys the story in at least two other books, “You Have a Brain” and “Take the Risk.” Carson repeated his West Point claim as recently as Aug. 13, when he fielded questions from supporters on Facebook.

And in October, Carson shared the story with Charlie Rose: “I had a goal of achieving the office of city executive officer [in JROTC]. Well, no one had ever done that in that amount of time … Long story short, it worked, I did it. I was offered full scholarship to West Point, got to meet General Westmoreland, go to Congressional Medal dinners, but decided really my pathway would be medicine.”

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

HE LIED>    Yes, politico understood his campaign saying "He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.” WHICH very clearly shows no scholarship COULD have been offered.  No apply, no offer, silly.

SO yeah, politico made that connection, which of course, carson denied and gave all the repubs a boner of "oh, we got the media!"  But 4 hours later, Carson denied every being offered, denied even applying.

he lied in his book, on facebook, and on that tv appearance.  You can hate politico for breaking it 4 hours before carson did, but they were correct, and he validated them.  

Carson is a mess.  He lies nonstop.

[240 is Back]

You can't want Cruz who is a true conservative and then defend Killary, Sanders and Obama like you do. Nice try.

oh i shit all over sanders lol.  And hilary is just Bush/obama II.

You can go out on a limb and somehow claim to know what another man wants.  It's weird tho, isn't it?  Do you want to tell me what kind of ice cream I want, and what sexual positions I prefer?  Do you want to really pretend you know what another man wants?  That's creepy, bro.

I like PURE conservative running against a PURE liberal.  I wanted Cruz vs. that fake indian Warren, so america would HAVE to choose.  You run hilary against trump, and their politics and policies are SO CLOSE, ya know?  that's crap, doesn't change anything.  I say, run the biggest liberal against the biggest conservative, and let america choose her bold new direction.

This crap about trump, carson, they're both idiots, they both pander.  Trump is an immature ass, and Carson is just a big liar.  All week, every day, another big lie.  And the idiotic shit about the pyramids?  And he had no idea what wet foot/dry foot on cuba was?  WTF?  that's middle school social studies stuff. 

he's been sucked into explaining the dumb shit that anyone with grace, style, and precision would have brushed off.  He's rattled.  he's rattle-able.  Make him surgeon general, but please, don't put him against hilary.  He will lose.

[Coach is Back!]

Mmmm, but you picked the pure liberal/socialist twice by your own admission. You defend his economy, you defend his spending, he'll, just tonight you defended Politico against Carson but you make excuses for Killary and Bengazi. Makes NO sense what so ever.

[240 is Back]

Mmmm, but you picked the pure liberal/socialist twice by your own admission. You defend his economy, you defend his spending, he'll, just tonight you defended Politico against Carson but you make excuses for Killary and Bengazi. Makes NO sense what so ever.

Swear on your MFing life that "picked the pure liberal/socialist twice by your own admission"

Swear on your big toe, if you prefer.  I never did that, and I demand that you either swear on it, or stop saying it.  

You are welcome to believe I am incapable of voting cruz "because I attack RINOs", just as I'm able to believe, in turn, that you cannot support cruz because you refuse to attack RINOs like jeb or trump.

But "by your own admission" - no, my family voted obama and I did not.  

so I demand that you swear on your motherfffking life that I voted obama twice, or admitted it..... OR stop saying it.  Do it man.  You believe swears are serious things. Swear on it.  

You won't.  I've asked and you won't.


ANyway, let's not turn this into a personal attack thread.

Carson is a liar.  He admitted it tonight.  He looks like shit.  The repub frontrunner, that many getbiggers were kneepadding for months, is a bag of lying shit.   no amount of lies about me will change the GOp frontrunner being a bag of lying shit, now will it?

Where will carson be by thanksgiving in polls?  4%?  6%?

[240 is Back]

just tonight you defended Politico against Carson

Um... not sure if you heard Carson on Oreilly Factor.   Politico was right that he lied
And he said politico was wrong, then he went on FOX and admitted it in his own words lol.

Carson vindicated politico with his own FOX interview.  isn't that so so ironic?  lol

[240 is Back]

How can someone who was a neurosurgeon and benefits from the mountains of previous scientific and technical advances to perfrom his job possibly believe that the earth is 6000-10000 years old?

Two getbiggers that I can think of, defend Carson a ton... and they REFUSE to say if they believe the earth is about 6000 years old, or about 4 billion years old.

But ya know, 18% of the population believes it.  Isn't that nuts?  almost 1 in 5 people we see (at least, while traveling thru tennessee or arkansas) believe the sand on the beach wasn't there 6000 years ago.  They believe the grand canyon was just magically placed there, and was not a product of erosion.

Almost 1 in 5 lol.

[Europe]