when he got flex ready for a show..attention tony doherty ? about sonny

[20inch calves]

I remember in an interview where miilos got flex ready in something like 4 weeks for a show. He said he was skinny fat @214 brought him ripped at his normal contest weight. What kind of drugs would you expect someone to use to do this in 4-5weeks. I know daughtery said  sonny went from 300 to 240 in 4-6 weeks ..what are thses guys doing? Should day what did they do?

[pestosterone]

300-240 in 6 weeks is starvation and lots of short estered steroids, orals, and stimulants and training while starving anyway. This would b my guess that's extreme change in short amount of time.

[d0nny2600]

300-240 in 6 weeks is starvation and lots of short estered steroids, orals, and stimulants and training while starving anyway. This would b my guess that's extreme change in short amount of time.

Pretty much this..seen guys do it here.

280-290lbs and down to 220 in 2 months. Eat protein and veg, lots of tren a, mast a, prop and high doses of anadrol (plus all the usual shit)

[Jizmo]

what are they taking that makes them not cheat?
coke? amphetamines?
or do they throw away their credit cards so that they cant buy food apart from the 20lbs chicken in the fridge?

[oni]

I imagine there will be some sort of muscle memory in there as well
like not training for a while and just getting fat

60lb could easily be like
30lb water
30lb fat loss

Speed, dnp, 1g/lb in protein and nothing else will do it in 8 weeks probably

[pestosterone]

Yea but seems like u would look like dogshit after that 60lbs in 8weeks have fucking loose skin hanging off triceps like a flying squirrel and shit

[d0nny2600]

Yea but seems like u would look like dogshit after that 60lbs in 8weeks have fucking loose skin hanging off triceps like a flying squirrel and shit

Mountains of gear will solve this problem

[Davidtheman100]

lol within 2 weeks of cleaning up diet and eating in deficit you will lose 20-30 lbs of water and 10-20lbs of fat with the right "supplementation"... So that's already 40+ lbs right there without crazy amount of effort...  Think of what offseason cycles consist of...High doses of test...Deca... Hold LOTS of water at gym rat doses,, forget about at the pro level... So once you add in the goodies all excess water will be removed... And then after week 1 your clen at high dosages will start to melt fat off of you with high doses of T3

[Davidtheman100]

The short little liar is notorious for this... from 40 inch waist to 28 shredded with tons of mass in about 2 months... Notice how he always has that extra bit in his lower abdominal region that's like stubborn fat from that of a person who used to be 400 lbs and had dramatic weight loss.. Well, cuz this is what he was practically doing but at a more educated level... Still could be categorized in that 5% BF because that was the only fat he had...But regardless it's THERE if you look..

[Davidtheman100]

This is why i don't recommend short-burst cycles for the novice and intermediate because of the dramatic effect it has on "scale gains" as i like to call them.. People can't distinguish between muscle tissue and water...So they think they're shrinking when they add in goodies and drop 20 lbs when in reality they look better, bigger and more dense while being harder..What do you guys like to call those people here?? "perma bulkers"?? LOL

[pissant]

dnp...jesus are you guys dumb? ITs pretty common....

[Jizmo]

how can they even function on high dose GH AND DNP...
guys who do it are probably on speed or ephedrine 24/7!?

[pestosterone]

dnp...jesus are you guys dumb? ITs pretty common....

Here to learn. Hey zeuse

[pissant]

how can they even function on high dose GH AND DNP...
guys who do it are probably on speed or ephedrine 24/7!?

i think so as well...I think speed/adderal/epehderine are abused in the top tier. no way you can keep concious with so much shit inside.

Also think they use alot of benzos to come down off the speed etc. Also benzos makes jabbing yourself so easy....Take a xannax and tell me how hard it is to jab yourself a few times with needles. ITs a breeeeeeeze.

[ritch]

i think so as well...I think speed/adderal/epehderine are abused in the top tier. no way you can keep concious with so much shit inside.

Also think they use alot of benzos to come down off the speed etc. Also benzos makes jabbing yourself so easy....Take a xannax and tell me how hard it is to jab yourself a few times with needles. ITs a breeeeeeeze.

Having used and abused speed and coke, telling you guys... That stuff is not be be messed with. The horror stories they lived were surely mostly kept to themselves.

Hope nobody here is thinking it's a solution or even thinking about it. It will chew you up and spit you out.

Moral rant over. But don't take this lightly.

[nattybay]

I imagine there will be some sort of muscle memory in there as well
like not training for a while and just getting fat

60lb could easily be like
30lb water
30lb fat loss

Speed, dnp, 1g/lb in protein and nothing else will do it in 8 weeks probably

600mg Dnp, ephedrine, loads of clen and T3 with 2hrs cardio 2 hrs weights
6-10 ml of short esters per day
Benzos
Diueritics

[tatoo]

most ive dropped is 20lbs in one month. no cardio either.

[20inch calves]

most ive dropped is 20lbs in one month. no cardio either.

That's pretty good with no cardio

[20inch calves]

I reread it. Sonny did it in 7 weeks..not sure I believe the starvation theory..towards the end of my diet I dropped to 1000 calories a day was lifting 1hr...plus cardio burning up to 600cal a day and all I lost was muscle..oh I went up to 75-100 mcg of t3 and used clen as well

[Jizmo]

I reread it. Sonny did it in 7 weeks..not sure I believe the starvation theory..towards the end of my diet I dropped to 1000 calories a day was lifting 1hr...plus cardio burning up to 600cal a day and all I lost was muscle..oh I went up to 75-100 mcg of t3 and used clen as well

well theres your mistake
when u use t3 theres no need to ever go below 2000 kcals
and if you do so then dont do it for more than 1-2 days in a row

[tatoo]

That's pretty good with no cardio

thanks man. Id be willing to bet it was the "research" t3.  god only knows how much of that shit I was truly taking.

[shrek]

Epastine or however you spell it. Milo's used to do it himself , he'd have Dr with him precontest inject it into each muscle belly. It would inflame that muscle temporarily

[Jizmo]

Epastine or however you spell it. Milo's used to do it himself , he'd have Dr with him precontest inject it into each muscle belly. It would inflame that muscle temporarily

esiclene?
it only swells whats already there... kevin levrone and nasser were big on this allegedly

[shrek]

esiclene?
it only swells whats already there... kevin levrone and nasser were big on this allegedly

yeah so e weird name for that stuff, you don't hear much about it. I read sone stuff on Milos prep techniques and how extreme they were

[20inch calves]

well theres your mistake
when u use t3 theres no need to ever go below 2000 kcals
and if you do so then dont do it for more than 1-2 days in a row

No doubt I made alot of mistakes..at the time I thought the more I suffered the more shredded I would get