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My Republican crisis
« on: August 13, 2015, 06:53:39 AM »
Hello my fellow getbiggers.  I am a Republican who is getting a bit tired with my party, and I am wondering if this a time for a legit third party to come on the scene to collect most of us who are close to the "center" politically.  First, a little background on myself.  I am a thirty something white male, who while I have never voted for a Democrat in a presidential or gubernatorial election, have crossed party lines on local and other state government officials.  My reasoning for this is because I try to vote with the issues of me and my socioeconomic constituency's best interests in mind.  

This does not mean that I do not care about the poor of our country.  I donate to charity, last year almost $5,000 and I do a bit of volunteer work as well.  While I am a firm believer in capitalism,  that you should be rewarded for being better than your competition and that everybody in this country has some sort of chance as long as they put forth the effort, I am not so naïve to believe that some of us may have a better shot than others, and need a bit more help (life isn't fair though).  I think that welfare, while good in theory, has the ability to be abused, and is abused on a wide scale and is in need of reform.  I really don't think that someone on welfare should be spending their money on steak, shrimp etc., when they are on a shoestring budget in the first place, and that it is most likely those type of reckless fiscal decisions that lead them into that position(i.e. being on welfare/food stamps) in the first place.  I do however, feel that they should be entitled to nutritious foods, such as fruits and veggies.  Some will probably think that this is overstepping on my part, but I believe if you are on the government dole, that beggars cant be choosers.

Another issue I have with the Republican party is that it has been a majority white only party, and with that the rednecks and racists seem to have latched on and made it their own.  I myself would never have some sort of Rebel Flag on my car, and most of who I see sporting them are redneck white trash.  It also amazes me, that when some white trash chides Obama and spouts off about how he is taking jobs away, letting in illegals (or whatever their argument for not being employed is) they fail to see themselves as on par with these very ghetto blacks that they so much despise.  I am not lumping all blacks into that category mind you, just illustrating the fact that the average white trash does not see himself as part of the problem as well.  I do think that the Democratic Party does not do all that they can for the black voter, as they see their vote as a given come election day.

Is there another party to latch onto, is it time for another one to rise?  The Libertarian thing seems to get hijacked by potheads, and does not seem to have a fiery leader that can bring about excitement within the party.  Your average voter, thus feels they have to choose one or the other in regards to the Republican/Democrat question.  There is no compromise between the two, with neither wanting to give any ground, as they think it will be seen as some sort of weakness to give in.  Now I am sure there will be some links posted emphasizing this is not true, but those instances are the exception  and not the rule.

What say you getbig, can you help me with this?  Maybe we can start the new "Getbigger Party"?

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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 07:05:37 AM »
most 'right of center' people are also disgusted with the GOP. problem is is that it creates the age old issue...if a third party is started, Dems = permanent wins everywhere.

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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2015, 07:24:04 AM »
most 'right of center' people are also disgusted with the GOP. problem is is that it creates the age old issue...if a third party is started, Dems = permanent wins everywhere.

Do you really think so?  Are people that stupid to think that a one party system will work?  I have to think that there are Dems out there that are just as disgusted with their side too.

Some of my views are probably frowned upon in the Republican Party.  I could care less about gay marriage, and find it abhorrent that the gay people can't enjoy the same tax breaks as the rest of us, or share healthcare because of this law against it.  On the flip side of that coin, I hate that if some person doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding, that the government needs to step in to do something about it.  Our capitalist system, along with our right to protest and free speech, will allow you to speak out against that business, and take your money somewhere else if you so wish.  I also disagree with abortion, and find it disgusting that some use it as a form of birth control, but that it is a personal choice and that the person has their own reasons, and will have to deal with the consequences in this life, or possibly the next.

When will people wake up?  I would like to hear Straw Man and a few other intelligent hard core Dems opinions on their own party.

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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2015, 07:58:03 AM »
if a third party is started, Dems = permanent wins everywhere.

True.  history and polls tell us that.  Hilary will always get 42% and always win. 

Repubs need to decide if they're batshit tea party, or soft-ass RINO.   Right now, they're 2 parties pretending to be one.

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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2015, 08:56:34 AM »
True.  history and polls tell us that.  Hilary will always get 42% and always win. 

Repubs need to decide if they're batshit tea party, or soft-ass RINO.   Right now, they're 2 parties pretending to be one.

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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 08:58:40 AM »
True.  history and polls tell us that.  Hilary will always get 42% and always win. 

Repubs need to decide if they're batshit tea party, or soft-ass RINO.   Right now, they're 2 parties pretending to be one.

History is the one legit 3rd party run of Perot.


Both parties cater to the extremes of their party.  

Most people I know are free-society loving people who work hard, don't despise wealth, and believe hard work should be rewarded. They also don't hate blacks or gays and don't believe religion should dictate public policy.

Unfortunately neither side fits that mold
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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 10:14:58 AM »
Yep

Time solves it.

There is a sliver of the republican party... maybe 25%...(they decide the primaries) and they force the candidates to go extreme on issues like gay marriage, abortion, stem cell, etc.

These are issues that'll never affect these 64 year old retirees.  BUT they won't donate to someone that has a position in it they dislike.

So anyway, they force the candidates to take these extreme positions.  Those who don't want to, have no oxygen, so they try to grab extreme center positions - suddenly supporting amnesty, supporting AWB, etc.

The party WILL recover - and sadly, it'll be in 15 or 20 years as the extreme voters age and die off.  These new 22 year old repubs are way less tough on issues like gay marriage.  They grew up jerking off to lezbo porn, they're alright with it.  They grew up with Tinder, they're more experienced on abortion.  They grew up with science, they are more open to stem cell research.

Time will unite the GOP to a reasonable spot, where they don't have to swear extremes (tea party) or completely go soft (rino)

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Re: My Republican crisis
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 10:15:31 AM »
History is the one legit 3rd party run of Perot.


Both parties cater to the extremes of their party.  

Most people I know are free-society loving people who work hard, don't despise wealth, and believe hard work should be rewarded. They also don't hate blacks or gays and don't believe religion should dictate public policy.

Unfortunately neither side fits that mold

Exactly what I mean. Most are somewhere near the center. What's our party?