Aaron Baker's 'healing adventure'

[Rambone]

More than likely someone will find him hanging from a ceiling before too long. Poor bastard. And I'm not being a dick, either. This type of religious tomfoolery, when it applies to someone like Aaron, usually means he's struggling mightily.

When any attempt towards an oasis within reality fails, a great many turn to sky gods and superstition.

I've always liked Baker. Met him once or twice. And I vividly recall seeing him standing, forlorn and alone, eating a bagel or some shit, outside a hotel in Manhattan very early on the morning after an IFBB contest, where he once again had been shafted. My friend and I actually commented to each other how dejected and sad he appeared.

At least he appears to be off the shit (or any appreciable amount) and physically well (no way to know what state are his innards).

I wish him the best.

P.S. Religion of any kind makes me fume with rage.

Damn, he must've looked like a pudding faced version of Big Lou in Pumping Iron when he was standing by himself eating an orange while looking around the room with his helmet haircut. Poor sap

[10pints]

More than likely someone will find him hanging from a ceiling before too long. Poor bastard. And I'm not being a dick, either. This type of religious tomfoolery, when it applies to someone like Aaron, usually means he's struggling mightily.

When any attempt towards an oasis within reality fails, a great many turn to sky gods and superstition.

I've always liked Baker. Met him once or twice. And I vividly recall seeing him standing, forlorn and alone, eating a bagel or some shit, outside a hotel in Manhattan very early on the morning after an IFBB contest, where he once again had been shafted. My friend and I actually commented to each other how dejected and sad he appeared.

At least he appears to be off the shit (or any appreciable amount) and physically well (no way to know what state are his innards).

I wish him the best.

P.S. Religion of any kind makes me fume with rage.

I like the cut of your jib. (nohomo)

[The True Adonis]

Honest answer, I don't know.

I certainly believe God heals folks, but the healing ministries I can't fully speak to.  

Benny Hinn, Todd White, the African healing ministry, etc.....I've listed to Todd in particular and he has a genuine love and zeal for God and loving people....it's infectious.

Benny Hinn and his "catchers" seems like ridiculous, charlatan nonsense as does the African healing ministry (see on youtube).  This is also obviously faked.  

Is God working through him on the streets to heal others?  I can neither confirm or deny it.....I don't know.

Some argue that the gifts of tongues and healing were meant only for Christ's apostles....that it doesn't extend into the modern church.   I've listened to both sides of the debate and my conclusion is that I just don't know.

I can tell you that the consensus of modern apologists either say the healing ministries are false or they simply don't know.  I don't know any that confirms it as the genuine article.

Always comes back to "if God is healing folks why doesn't he regrow amputated limbs?"   Who says he doesn't?  I don't know all cases in all of history.

I can say God does heal because.....well.....he healed me in a powerful experience I've shared elsewhere on GB.  He healed my father as well.  Why didn't he heal the guy next door?  I don't know.  

Todd White posits that he's been unable to heal amputees on the street because perhaps his faith isn't strong enough.  Yet he claims to have see crippled folks be instantly healed and get out of wheel chairs in plain sight on the street because of God working through him as vessel of healing power.

Folks in Christ's time on earth saw him heal others before their eyes and still deny him.....fact is it's a hard sell.

Another group of Christian apologists claim to have witnessed the instantaneous regrowth of a severed ear on a mission trip.  The ear didn't grow completely back, but partially and almost instantly before there eyes.  I have no reason to doubt these folks because they're highly respected Christian apologist/theologians who are skeptics in regard to healing ministries yet they experienced this.  Some of them said that perhaps the body underwent some "spontaneous regeneration that medical science doesn't understand yet".

Again, I just don't know.....probably won't ever know.  Sorry.  

God heals people. 

Give me a fucking break.

Do you know how many people die everyday? 

[Man of Steel]

God heals people. 

Give me a fucking break.

Do you know how many people die everyday? 

No, I don't know how many people die everyday.

Let me google that....

[Man of Steel]

approximately 155K die each day

[The True Adonis]

approximately 155K die each day

So much for healing. 

[The Ugly]

Honest answer, I don't know.

I certainly believe God heals folks, but the healing ministries I can't fully speak to.  

Benny Hinn, Todd White, the African healing ministry, etc.....I've listed to Todd in particular and he has a genuine love and zeal for God and loving people....it's infectious.

Benny Hinn and his "catchers" seems like ridiculous, charlatan nonsense as does the African healing ministry (see on youtube).  This is also obviously faked.  

Is God working through him on the streets to heal others?  I can neither confirm or deny it.....I don't know.

Some argue that the gifts of tongues and healing were meant only for Christ's apostles....that it doesn't extend into the modern church.   I've listened to both sides of the debate and my conclusion is that I just don't know.

I can tell you that the consensus of modern apologists either say the healing ministries are false or they simply don't know.  I don't know any that confirms it as the genuine article.

Always comes back to "if God is healing folks why doesn't he regrow amputated limbs?"   Who says he doesn't?  I don't know all cases in all of history.

I can say God does heal because.....well.....he healed me in a powerful experience I've shared elsewhere on GB.  He healed my father as well.  Why didn't he heal the guy next door?  I don't know.  

Todd White posits that he's been unable to heal amputees on the street because perhaps his faith isn't strong enough.  Yet he claims to have see crippled folks be instantly healed and get out of wheel chairs in plain sight on the street because of God working through him as vessel of healing power.

Folks in Christ's time on earth saw him heal others before their eyes and still deny him.....fact is it's a hard sell.

Another group of Christian apologists claim to have witnessed the instantaneous regrowth of a severed ear on a mission trip.  The ear didn't grow completely back, but partially and almost instantly before there eyes.  I have no reason to doubt these folks because they're highly respected Christian apologist/theologians who are skeptics in regard to healing ministries yet they experienced this.  Some of them said that perhaps the body underwent some "spontaneous regeneration that medical science doesn't understand yet".

Again, I just don't know.....probably won't ever know.  Sorry.  

C'mon, guy. When there isn't a single recorded case, can't we be relatively certain?

We also don't know every individual outcome of a permanently ceased heart, but we can safely assume it's death 100% of the time.

[Man of Steel]

So much for healing.  

So let's follow this bit of logic:

So if death means there is no healing, then does life mean there is no illness?  

This would be an antonymic pair, correct?  

But we know in life that illness exists and that renders the logical conclusion as false, but then it renders the logic of opposite side of the antonymic pair as false.

[Simple Simon]

Here's a tidbit-

In 1979, in Winston-Salem, North Carolina Aaron Baker won the Teenage Mr. Tarhill Bodybuilding title. Who took 4th place in the same show?

benny poda?

[Man of Steel]

C'mon, guy. When there isn't a single recorded case, can't we be relatively certain?

We also don't know every individual outcome of a permanently ceased heart, but we can safely assume it's death 100% of the time.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that amputees are not healed based on what we know.   I have no evidence to support otherwise

[MORTALCOIL]

So let's follow this bit of logic:

So if death means there is no healing, then does life mean there is no illness?  

This would be an antonymic pair, correct?  

Why would there be necessarily an opposite to everything? Flawed logic. Raw dialectical way of thinking not only shared by religious people but also Marxists, Fascists and all kind of people who fail to see reality through anything else then a Black/White scope.

[Simple Simon]

I think it's a reasonable assumption that amputees are not healed based on what we know.   I have no evidence to support otherwise

What happens is another person forms on the amputated limb, its silly to think a limb can grow back.

[Man of Steel]

Why would there be necessarily an opposite to everything? Flawed logic. Raw dialectical way of thinking not only shared by religious people but also Marxists, Fascists and all kind of people who fail to see reality through anything else then a Black/White scope.

That is a flawed thinking, but it isn't mine.  Not everything has an exact opposite and that isn't what I suggested.

Antonymic pairs have qualifiers that make them so.  At first blush, what TA suggested as a logical conclusion and my pairing of the opposite appears to fit the qualifications of an antonymic pair.  

Although, given that illness is found in life it negates the logic that life means there is no illness and therefore the antonymic pair (death means there is no healing) is also deemed false.  

I'm no expert on logic though.  It's exhausting trying to sound all intellectual.   

[MORTALCOIL]

That is a flawed thinking, but it isn't mine.  Not everything has an exact opposite and that isn't what I suggested.

Antonymic pairs have qualifiers that make them so.  At first blush, what TA suggested as a logical conclusion and my pairing of the opposite appears to fit the qualifications of an antonymic pair.  

Although, given that illness is found in life it negates the logic that life means there is no illness and therefore the antonymic pair (death means there is no healing) is also deemed false.  I'm no expert on logic though.

Well, illness is found in life, no doubt. I don't see which kind of logic would take us from that obvious conclusion to anything definitive about death. As far as I know, nothing tangible has been proven about what happens when you die or after. No logic, just speculations. Through faith or through the absence of it.

[falco]

What happens is another person forms on the amputated limb, its silly to think a limb can grow back.

I saw it in X-Files.

[SF1900]

I think it's a reasonable assumption that amputees are not healed based on what we know.   I have no evidence to support otherwise

Yes, God only conveniently heals those people with soar throats, but cant heal people with incurable ailments.

How convenient. 

[Kim Jong Bob]

Haha damn you americans are a crazy bunch of people.

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That behavor would never happen  in best korea

[Man of Steel]

Yes, God only conveniently heals those people with soar throats, but cant heal people with incurable ailments.

How convenient.  

I'm completely honest in that I can't speak to the frequency and type of healing we see today.  

Certainly I've heard testimonies from doctors, nurses, patients, etc....about miraculous things occurring for which there is no scientific explanation.

Still, I just don't know, but that doesn't negate who God is or his good will and purposes.  I don't know everything about God (how arrogant and presumptuous would that position be?).  I only know what we're made privy to via the scriptures.   We can infer things based upon scripture and we discern and build our understanding "precept upon precept".

[10pints]

Bunch of mentally ill jokers.....

[Rambone]

Flock of Seagulls of peace

[The_Punisher]

nice to see Aaron Maddron is preaching the word now

[DroppingPlates]

Haha damn you americans are a crazy bunch of people.

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That behavor would never happen  in best korea

For a damn good reason

[Croatch]

They should team up with Coleman, Dobson, J. Sweet Tits Jackson, and tough guy Branch and start their own chapter of bible thumping kooks in Texas.  It would be huge.  What a great tax free venture.
Grown men beliving in imaginary shit...priceless.

[tommywishbone]

benny poda?

  No. However, Benny Poda was a very interesting guess.

Here's a hint- he post on getbig and his screen name rhymes with Ronniedishphone.

[da_vinci]

They should team up with Coleman, Dobson, J. Sweet Tits Jackson, and tough guy Branch and start their own chapter of bible thumping kooks in Texas.  It would be huge.  What a great tax free venture.
Grown men beliving in imaginary shit...priceless.

They just all feel weak and scared.
 Every religious person you encounter, you can be sure - that person is feeling weak and is scared/uncomfortable with everything. Some are stronger and take a stoic pose in front of life shit, some are weaker and indulge into alcohol, antidepressants or religion.