Author Topic: Is there a level of fine a trans-woman can reach... (Read 7789 times)

Al Doggity · « **on:** August 19, 2015, 09:46:30 PM »

at which you'd follow her on instagram ?

(This is takes for granted that most of you have a very conservative view towards the trans movement. Also, just pretend you are a beta who uses instagram, just for the sake of this thread.)

TheShape. · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2015, 09:51:22 PM »

Joon is an expert at this particular subject.

El Diablo Blanco · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:31:16 AM »

The fact you're thinking of this is your admission to liking the cock. With 3 1/2 billion women on this earth why the fuck would you want to follow a man with a boob job?

ritch · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:35:25 AM »

Quote from: El Diablo Blanco on August 20, 2015, 07:31:16 AM

The fact you're thinking of this is your admission to liking the cock. With 3 1/2 billion women on this earth why the fuck would you want to follow a man with a boob job?

Bahahahaha!!!!!!!
Gonna use that one if the conversation ever pops up in real life.

mr.turbo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:39:42 AM »

my infatuation with your threads ends here

Al Doggity · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:05:13 AM »

Quote from: mr.turbo on August 20, 2015, 07:39:42 AM

my infatuation with your threads ends here

I told you!

LOL My wife showed me a trans-woman's instagram profile the other day and said she was the most beautiful, natural looking trans-female she had ever seen. I noticed that a lot of the commenters were guys that alluded to being straight.

(In case you're wondering, the backstory to this is that I'm generally pretty progressive and wifey (who is also pretty progressive) has been disappointed in some of my views about transgenderism. I don't think it is a sickness, it doesn't offend me and I don't think cultural acceptance is a sign of society's imminent doom, but I think that it is a way more complex issue than people are pretending it is. And I'll leave it at that for this post.)

mr.turbo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:27:56 AM »

Quote from: Al Doggity on August 20, 2015, 08:05:13 AM

I told you!

LOL My wife showed me a trans-woman's instagram profile the other day and said she was the most beautiful, natural looking trans-female she had ever seen. I noticed that a lot of the commenters were guys that alluded to being straight.

(In case you're wondering, the backstory to this is that I'm generally pretty progressive and wifey (who is also pretty progressive) has been disappointed in some of my views about transgenderism. I don't think it is a sickness, it doesn't offend me and I don't think cultural acceptance is a sign of society's imminent doom, but I think that it is a way more complex issue than people are pretending it is. And I'll leave it at that for this post.)

It's not that complicated.

This is a lifestyle choice. This seems to confuse people for some reason. What's different is that it requires radical pharmaceutical and surgical intervention. Apparently this group is disproportionately vulnerable to violence and murder. Do we know anything else about trans people? Guess what?

"gender dysphoria" is a mental illness. It's in the DSM-V.

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Al Doggity · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:39:07 AM »

Quote from: mr.turbo on August 20, 2015, 08:27:56 AM

It's not that complicated.

This is a lifestyle choice. This seems to confuse people for some reason. What's different is that it requires radical pharmaceutical and surgical intervention. Apparently this group is disproportionately vulnerable to violence and murder. Do we know anything else about trans people? Guess what?

"gender dysphoria" is a mental illness. It's in the DSM-V.

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

I think it's reductive to call it a lifestyle choice. I mean, I do believe it is a choice but I also believe it is something that those afflicted with struggle with at a base level. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the psychiatric community until recently and I don't believe that classification was ever correct.

BigRo · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:42:30 AM »

Al Doggity wants to dog the she males.

WalterWhite · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2015, 09:04:51 AM »

Quote from: Al Doggity on August 19, 2015, 09:46:30 PM

at which you'd follow her on instagram ?

(This is takes for granted that most of you have a very conservative view towards the trans movement. Also, just pretend you are a beta who uses instagram, just for the sake of this thread.)

Honestly he/she fooled me.

Al Doggity · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2015, 09:14:41 AM »

I think the voice is almost always a giveaway.

mr.turbo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2015, 09:46:05 AM »

Quote from: Al Doggity on August 20, 2015, 08:39:07 AM

I think it's reductive to call it a lifestyle choice. I mean, I do believe it is a choice but I also believe it is something that those afflicted with struggle with at a base level. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the psychiatric community until recently and I don't believe that classification was ever correct.

You can call it reductive but that's just a characteristic of clear understanding.

What else do we know? It's a tiny group of people; It is estimated that about 0.005% to 0.014% of males and 0.002% to 0.003% of females would be diagnosed with gender dysphoria,

What is hard for me to understand is the claim that a person is born with a genetic configuration that requires them to identify with anything. I'm sure the social aspects are more interesting.

Guess what the "cure" for homosexuality was in the past? Castration and hormone therapy...sound familiar?

funk51 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2015, 10:18:02 AM »

funk51 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2015, 10:19:30 AM »

the most famous one ever... till caitlyn...

el numero uno · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2015, 10:20:22 AM »

Quote from: WalterWhite on August 20, 2015, 09:04:51 AM

Honestly he/she fooled me.

My brain hurts

Al Doggity · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2015, 10:38:53 AM »

Quote from: mr.turbo on August 20, 2015, 09:46:05 AM

You can call it reductive but that's just a characteristic of clear understanding.

What else do we know? It's a tiny group of people; It is estimated that about 0.005% to 0.014% of males and 0.002% to 0.003% of females would be diagnosed with gender dysphoria,

What is hard for me to understand is the claim that a person is born with a genetic configuration that requires them to identify with anything. I'm sure the social aspects are more interesting.

Guess what the "cure" for homosexuality was in the past? Castration and hormone therapy...sound familiar?

It's not really clear understanding if it leaves you with aspects you choose not to understand. It's not hard for me to see that a biological male or female may not emotionally and mentally identify with their physicality. It would be an all encompassing thing, so I don't think there's anything wrong with them taking steps to feel comfortable in their own skin. I just don't believe it is accurate to say that they have always been the gender they are after being reassigned.

mr.turbo · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2015, 11:13:42 AM »

Quote from: Al Doggity on August 20, 2015, 10:38:53 AM

It's not really clear understanding if it leaves you with aspects you choose not to understand. It's not hard for me to see that a biological male or female may not emotionally and mentally identify with their physicality. It would be an all encompassing thing, so I don't think there's anything wrong with them taking steps to feel comfortable in their own skin. I just don't believe it is accurate to say that they have always been the gender they are after being reassigned.

Most folks here don't identify with their physicality, whatever that means... What we choose to do about it are lifestyle choices ie: take some test and go to the gym. Some folks choose to undergo a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. If you want to go radical with your body modification I don't see anything unique about it.

Is there any evidence that this will make them feel better?

The internet tells me gender reassignment is correlated to increased suicide risk.

CONCLUSIONS:
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939

Mitch · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:04:26 PM »

I don't know what is gayer: a trans or instagram?

ah, I know: following a trans on insta.

Well, actually its not gay. It's just heavily retarded.

and a bit gay too

Depocyp · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:14:46 PM »

I'd fuck 100 trannys before considering myself gay enough to sign up on Instagram

WalterWhite · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:21:24 PM »

Quote from: el numero uno on August 20, 2015, 10:20:22 AM

My brain hurts

Mine too and his/her voice could pass for female too.

Al Doggity · « **Reply #20 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:22:51 PM »

Quote from: mr.turbo on August 20, 2015, 11:13:42 AM

Most folks here don't identify with their physicality, whatever that means... What we choose to do about it are lifestyle choices ie: take some test and go to the gym. Some folks choose to undergo a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. If you want to go radical with your body modification I don't see anything unique about it.

I don't think not identifying with your physicality is the same as wanting to change or improve it. I don't work out because I think that I AM Mr. Olympia. I don't consider working out corrective, it's aspirational.

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Is there any evidence that this will make them feel better?

The internet tells me gender reassignment is correlated to increased suicide risk.

CONCLUSIONS:
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939

Statistics can be interpreted in many ways. Trans-folks don't live in a vacuum, so I'm not surprised that there would be emotional baggage following sexual reassignment. I don't think that's necessarily an indictment on the process.

Irongrip400 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:24:51 PM »

I'm paraphrasing something Sev said, but it's amazing the lengths a man will go to, to justify wanting the cawk.

mr.turbo · « **Reply #22 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:31:36 PM »

Quote from: Al Doggity on August 20, 2015, 06:22:51 PM

I don't think not identifying with your physicality is the same as wanting to change or improve it. I don't work out because I think that I AM Mr. Olympia. I don't consider working out corrective, it's aspirational.

Statistics can be interpreted in many ways. Trans-folks don't live in a vacuum, so I'm not surprised that there would be emotional baggage following sexual reassignment. I don't think that's necessarily an indictment on the process.

The authors didn't indict the process, which surprised me given their conclusions. Could be beyond the scope of the project. When you start cutting off body parts I feel it takes a lot of justification. That's what I'm struggling with, I'm not seeing it.

I agree with you about the cognitive distinctions. You don't think you're mr.olympia but Ronnie Coleman says :

There is only one reason why I’m here and that is to serve God, and to do pretty much what he wants me to do. God is the person that put us here, and he put us here for a reason, and that reason is to serve him… It reiterates and confirms the reason why I’m Mr. Olympia, and the reason why I’m Mr. Olympia is because God has chosen that destiny for me. That makes it real easy for me to train.2

Do you feel it was bruce jenners destiny to cut off his penis and take estrogen? It looks like a crazy person to me.

visualizeperfection · « **Reply #23 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:57:35 PM »

A lot of closet cases beating around the "I want to suck a cock" bush, in this thread.

Walter Sobchak · « **Reply #24 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:11:48 PM »

Fuck this.

There are no chicks with dicks, only dudes with boobs.