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« Reply #275 on: September 07, 2015, 02:11:05 PM »
Isn't that what this is? Religious beliefs supporting discrimination today?

Kim Davis is actually requiring all her deputies to share HER religious beliefs

So much for fundies crying about persecution and freedom of religion

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« Reply #276 on: September 07, 2015, 02:11:13 PM »
Just an fyi, in case anyone is confused about this.   :)

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=552319.0

I believe the confusion is in personal information.
Apparently mentioning someone's employment is also against the rules.
I don't care if people know what I do, but that's just me.

Some people are sensitive it seems.


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« Reply #277 on: September 07, 2015, 02:12:56 PM »
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/30/1977453/small-pike-county-church-votes.html

Here is one of several churches that refuse to marry interracial couples, nor let them be members of the church... This is relative because it is from the same mold. Religious people like to cover their bigotry and racism in the cloak of righteousness. We shouldn't think any more of them than we do the KKK or any other racist or hate organization simply because they use "religion" to hide their ugliness behind

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« Reply #278 on: September 07, 2015, 02:14:36 PM »
I believe the confusion is in personal information.
Apparently mentioning someone's employment is also against the rules.
I don't care if people know what I do, but that's just me.

Some people are sensitive it seems.



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« Reply #279 on: September 07, 2015, 02:15:24 PM »
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/30/1977453/small-pike-county-church-votes.html

Here is one of several churches that refuse to marry interracial couples, nor let them be members of the church... This is relative because it is from the same mold. Religious people like to cover their bigotry and racism in the cloak of righteousness. We shouldn't think any more of them than we do the KKK or any other racist or hate organization simply because they use "religion" to hide their ugliness behind

Wait. So you find some church in Kentucky with racist beliefs?  What are there like 25 members of their church?  

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« Reply #280 on: September 07, 2015, 02:16:05 PM »
Wait. So you find some church in Kentucky with racist beliefs?  What are there like 25 members of their church?  

Just like we found ONE clerk using "religion" to descriminate

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« Reply #281 on: September 07, 2015, 02:16:48 PM »
Just like we found ONE clerk using "religion" to descriminate

This is a valid point.



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« Reply #283 on: September 07, 2015, 02:18:25 PM »
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What was that for?

Are you inferring that I was referencing you? Why on earth would you think that?


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« Reply #284 on: September 07, 2015, 02:19:04 PM »
What was that for?

Are you inferring that I was referencing you? Why on earth would you think that?



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« Reply #285 on: September 07, 2015, 02:19:38 PM »
It is assumed someone else would pay. So what?  

Firing and banning are not the same, so no, that was not "explained."

Ok, I stand corrected. Pretty sure she wouldn't let anyone pay, though, that was the plan.

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« Reply #286 on: September 07, 2015, 02:20:12 PM »
You can be religious all you like... but you can't refuse to follow the law and a court order as an elected official, effectively discriminating against a group of people.. do the honorable thing and resign if it bothers you that much...

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« Reply #288 on: September 07, 2015, 02:21:03 PM »
Ok, I stand corrected. Pretty sure she wouldn't let anyone pay, though, that was the plan.

I don't think that really changes much.  Doesn't justify locking her up.

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« Reply #290 on: September 07, 2015, 02:22:26 PM »
lol.  It always cracks me up when atheists quote the Bible chapter and verse.   :)

Why, are they different for Christians? You guys get the reasonable version, one that makes more sense?

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« Reply #291 on: September 07, 2015, 02:23:12 PM »
I disagree with the judge.

Oh... well... that changes everything! ::)


A petty move to not fine her based on the possibility of someone else picking up the tab.

He didn't fine her because that wouldn't help bring her into compliance which is the whole point behind the Judge's order. He issued a lawful order and she's refusing to follow it! Listen, we live in a nation of laws and Kim Davis doesn't get to pick and choose which laws and which court orders she follows.


Bringing her into compliance is part of the issue.

No. It is the ONLY issue. There's an order compelling her to issue licenses. She may disagree with the order, which is her right. She can complain about it all she wants. But she is not free to ignore it.


The bigger issue is ensuring everyone who is entitled to a license receives one.

Which will happen only if she agrees to either follow the law and comply with the Court order or if she resigns and someone else, who can follow the law takes her place.


That could have been accomplished by banning her from the office until she complies.

Even if the Judge had the authority to "ban her from the office" it's unclear that that would change anything at all. She explicitly said that she would not allow her employees to issue licenses. Whether she's physically in the office or not, she still has authority to fire the clerks who do not follow her direction. Short of jailing her for contempt, what else could the Judge have done? He doesn't have the authority to remove her from her elected position - and if you think he does, please cite the relevant statute.


Indefinite jail time for something like this is just crazy.

That's how contempt of court works when the court is trying to bring someone into compliance. What else would you suggest? Asking again but adding "pretty please"? Serenading her?

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« Reply #292 on: September 07, 2015, 02:23:28 PM »
I think locking her up was appropriate.. considering all the circumstances..

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« Reply #293 on: September 07, 2015, 02:23:38 PM »
:)

Not really sure why you are trying to blow kisses at me... seems to detract from the reasonable tone of the thread, but I guess that's how you "moderate" politics.

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« Reply #294 on: September 07, 2015, 02:23:48 PM »
Why, are they different for Christians? You guys get the reasonable version, one that makes more sense?

Why is someone who doesn't believe in God reading a book about something they don't believe in?  

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« Reply #295 on: September 07, 2015, 02:24:43 PM »
Oh... well... that changes everything! ::)


He didn't fine her because that wouldn't help bring her into compliance which is the whole point behind the Judge's order. He issued a lawful order and she's refusing to follow it! Listen, we live in a nation of laws and Kim Davis doesn't get to pick and choose which laws and which court orders she follows.


No. It is the ONLY issue. There's an order compelling her to issue licenses. She may disagree with the order, which is her right. She can complain about it all she wants. But she is not free to ignore it.


Which will happen only if she agrees to either follow the law and comply with the Court order or if she resigns and someone else, who can follow the law takes her place.


Even if the Judge had the authority to "ban her from the office" it's unclear that that would change anything at all. She explicitly said that she would not allow her employees to issue licenses. Whether she's physically in the office or not, she still has authority to fire the clerks who do not follow her direction. Short of jailing her for contempt, what else could the Judge have done? He doesn't have the authority to remove her from her elected position - and if you think he does, please cite the relevant statute.


That's how contempt of court works when the court is trying to bring someone into compliance. What else would you suggest? Asking again but adding "pretty please"? Serenading her?

Putting her in jail is not solving the problem. 

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« Reply #296 on: September 07, 2015, 02:25:30 PM »
Not really sure why you are trying to blow kisses at me... seems to detract from the reasonable tone of the thread, but I guess that's how you "moderate" politics.

I'm just laughing at you.  You crack me up.   :)

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« Reply #297 on: September 07, 2015, 02:25:39 PM »
A hypothetical Bible verse in support of a hypothetical judge involving a hypothetical situation.  Sort of a pointless discussion, don't you think? 

Not at all. Hypothetical situation practically mirroring this one, just swapping gay for interracial. The verse wouldn't be hypothetical, though, just need an appropriate fit.

Would it really surprise you to find a little racism in that book?

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« Reply #298 on: September 07, 2015, 02:25:54 PM »
What law did she break?

Are you fucking kidding or are you really THAT dense? SHE IS REFUSING TO OBEY AN EXPLICIT COURT ORDER!

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« Reply #299 on: September 07, 2015, 02:27:03 PM »
Why is someone who doesn't believe in God reading a book about something they don't believe in?  

Why do people who believe in that god never bother to read that book? To me that is the bigger question