This is the modern day example of the natural limit in my opinion

[Method101]

What are your opinions guys do you think this is a naturally attainable physique or not? it's Lorenzo Orozco a physique competitor, around Eugene Sandow's size but with a thicker chest. By the way you may find pictures of him where he looks bigger/freakier but I'm talking about his size/condition in this picture below, I'm not saying he did it naturally because I have no idea either way, but I'm saying that this is possible naturally with 4-5 years of solid training and good dieting.

[Dr Dutch]

Natty with decent genetics and work ethics can do better...

[Method101]

Natty with decent genetics and work ethics can do better...

You are delusional if you think you can get better than this without drugs, what do you think is the limit then, post an example.

[DHEA-100]

Casey Viator 19yrs old 100% natural won (4) major contests.  He could have gone further had he not run afoul of Arthur Jones.  He was fired at Nautilus, moved to socal to train w/ Mentzer.  Got on like 2gr/day of sh$% and never amounted to anything after that.

Steroids don't work.  All hype!!!

[Method101]

Casey Viator 19yrs old 100% natural won (4) major contests.  He could have gone further had he not run afoul of Arthur Jones.  He was fired at Nautilus, moved to socal to train w/ Mentzer.  Got on like 2gr/day of sh$% and never amounted to anything after that.

Steroids don't work.  All hype!!!

You base him being natural on being 19 years old? he wouldn't be the first one to get on juice as a teenager, Arnold and Lee Priest look as if they were probably on juice from 16 years old.

[Tennisballz]

What are your opinions guys do you think this is a naturally attainable physique or not? it's Lorenzo Orozco a physique competitor, around Eugene Sandow's size but with a thicker chest. By the way you may find pictures of him where he looks bigger/freakier but I'm talking about his size/condition in this picture below, I'm not saying he did it naturally because I have no idea either way, but I'm saying that this is possible naturally with 4-5 years of solid training and good dieting.

whats his height and weigh as thats usually the true test?  I would think you would need very good genetics to look like that naturally. But for the blessed I suppose it may be possible.

[ritch]

that is totally possible natural.

[Method101]

whats his height and weigh as thats usually the true test?  I would think you would need very good genetics to look like that naturally. But for the blessed I suppose it may be possible.

Height : 5'11
Weight : 195

According to species website, I'm guessing that is his exaggerated general day weight rather than stage/photoshoot weight. So we could say that he's probably under or around 190lbs in the picture.

[old-school-lifter]

Casey Viator 19yrs old 100% natural won (4) major contests.  He could have gone further had he not run afoul of Arthur Jones.  He was fired at Nautilus, moved to socal to train w/ Mentzer.  Got on like 2gr/day of sh$% and never amounted to anything after that.

Steroids don't work.  All hype!!!

in these pics Casey is juiced big time, test. deca, D bol-  im sure

[Thin Lizzy]

Height : 5'11
Weight : 195

According to species website, I'm guessing that is his exaggerated general day weight rather than stage/photoshoot weight. So we could say that he's probably under or around 190lbs in the picture.

This guy is 6'2" and weighed 185 in this pic.

[old-school-lifter]

What are your opinions guys do you think this is a naturally attainable physique or not? it's Lorenzo Orozco a physique competitor, around Eugene Sandow's size but with a thicker chest. By the way you may find pictures of him where he looks bigger/freakier but I'm talking about his size/condition in this picture below, I'm not saying he did it naturally because I have no idea either way, but I'm saying that this is possible naturally with 4-5 years of solid training and good dieting.

this guy in this pic could be drug free but NO WAY is he lifetime natural
he has used b4

btw he has some sort of toupe or hair transplant

[SF1900]

Watching getbiggers argue about if someone is natural is like staring at a wall.

Both get you nowhere. 

[Uncle Joon]

What are your opinions guys do you think this is a naturally attainable physique or not? it's Lorenzo Orozco a physique competitor, around Eugene Sandow's size but with a thicker chest. By the way you may find pictures of him where he looks bigger/freakier but I'm talking about his size/condition in this picture below, I'm not saying he did it naturally because I have no idea either way, but I'm saying that this is possible naturally with 4-5 years of solid training and good dieting.

The guy in the picture is juiced to the gills. Any fool can see he is running 6-7 different compounds at least. I can personally spot the GH/Tren and Masteron he's got going on from a mile away.
What you see in the picture is more or less impossible for 98% of the population naturally.
Forget about.
Another dellusionite

[El Diablo Blanco]

The vascularity in his delts are obvious signs of drug use.

[absfabs]

The guy in the picture is juiced to the gills. Any fool can see he is running 6-7 different compounds at least. I can personally spot the GH/Tren and Masteron he's got going on from a mile away.
What you see in the picture is more or less impossible for 98% of the population naturally.
Forget about.
Another dellusionite

UNless you use the Adonis principles?

[Dave D]

Casey Viator 19yrs old 100% natural won (4) major contests.  He could have gone further had he not run afoul of Arthur Jones.  He was fired at Nautilus, moved to socal to train w/ Mentzer.  Got on like 2gr/day of sh$% and never amounted to anything after that.

Steroids don't work.  All hype!!!

Hulksmash  glad you're still spreading the gospel.

[ritch]

This guy is 6'2" and weighed 185 in this pic.

That's your example??? It's like saying there's 2 cars, they both have a set of wheels and a steering wheel...

I knew this moron who was as tall as Arnold and would say "I weight the same as him, so I'm as good as him"

Bitch please!!!

Serge Nubret was 200lbs at 6 feet tall. How come when I weighed 200lbs I did not look like that, lol???

[SquidVicious]

I used to train with Jeff Rodriguez in SF and he was natural and better built than this guy.

[ritch]

I used to train with Jeff Rodriguez in SF and he was natural and better built than this guy.

The pic looked cool until I saw the thong sticking out. For fuck sakes man... Way to gay shit up. Something the likes of Kai Green there...

[calfzilla]

The pic looked cool until I saw the thong sticking out. For fuck sakes man... Way to gay shit up. Something the likes of Kai Green there...

Maybe he's just trying to appeal to women 

[local hero]

I used to train with Jeff Rodriguez in SF and he was natural and better built than this guy.

Looks like the kind'a guy who would be welcomed with open arms around certain docks, in Rwanda....

[trapz101]

I used to train with Jeff Rodriguez in SF and he was natural and better built than this guy.

LOL jrod used to post here and got ripped..admitted of juicing if i'm not mistaken

[BigRo]

Can get bigger as a natural if your genetically large to begin with. Also this condition is obtainable naturally.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Always the juicers who say something is "easily achievable naturally". 

[Meaningless]

Possible natural, anyone who says otherwise has obviously never given natty training and dieting a good honest go for any decent amount of time.