Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thought u would?

[Thong Maniac]

Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.

Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.

Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point

[tommywishbone]

Try English.

[aestheticsuk]

2k cals lol, what the fuck. do you have a ridiculously slow metabolism or what?

[pellius]

Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.

Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.

Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point

I was never a good responder. During the days when it was legal (1980s) I went to the same doc and got the same gear as a friend of mine. It was Organon Deca and Ciba dbol. He just blew up. Me not so much. It was my first cycle so I did get some gains but nothing dramatic. It didn't get much better as time and dosage went up.

That's why I don't believe when a lot of people say that anyone can get to pro size if you are just willing to take enough hormones. Some people can only utilize so much. There are natural "muscle brakes" in you body that inhibits muscle growth. You body simply does not like to carry great muscle mass. And for good reason.

Even the genetically gifted has limits no matter what they do. Some are just more limited than others.

I'm in my fifties now and though I've been lifting weights consistently since I was twelve and never plan to give it up, I gave
up on "bodybuilding" by the time I was 26 years old or so. I just accepted that I was an ecto and concentrated more on health and fitness -- and not being a fatso.

Right now I'm on a TRT type program of 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of Deca. Test is for replacement and it helps the most with quality of life (energy, libido, feeling of well being) and the Deca helps with the joints. I also feel that it just keeps your body in a more anabolic state so you don't quickly lose strength and aids recovery. I don't feel "strong" being on but definitely feel it in a bad way when I'm off.

If you are determined to put on muscle then it might be worth experimenting with dosage. Trevor Smith outlined an intermediate cycle of: 1000mg/wk of Test, 600mg/wk Deca or Eq, dbol 50mg/day OR Drol 100mg/day. But everyone I know that is trying to compete is at 3gms/wk getting to 4-5gms as a show approaches. And this is not even NPC level.

Part of being genetically gifted as a bber is not just response to training but response to gear.

[DHEA-100]

That's because unless your hypogonadal steroids will not increase muscle hypertrophy.  Its not a question of andrgen level.  Any idea how many thousands have undertaken the same quest your on?  Think your a genetic exception?  Sleep is far, far more "anabolic" than any drug.

[cephissus]

try eating

[SF1900]

try eating

You should take your own advice.

[cephissus]

try to keep up, sf

[Tennisballz]

 If you are 183 lbs and only eating 2300 cals, that doesn't seem like enough.  I would think you want to be eating at least 3000 or even more.  Maybe try increasing the calories for a few weeks and see if you grow?

[WalterWhite]

Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.

Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.

Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point

First your lucky to be able to obtain all pharma. If your only four weeks in it's way to early to judge because test is still building up in your system.

There is no easy answer to this but 600mgs in my opinion, is an aggressive amount. Your getting the normal sides.

[Coffeed]

Even if you don't eat great, people that make good bodybuilders respond very well to training and drugs.

Most people don't want to be a bodybuilder, but even if you do, you can't be good unless your response to drugs is great.

Look at it like a blessing. The folks who get addicted to the easy muscle mass probably look back at it 30 years later as a waste once they find out their prostates are larger than they should be, their kidneys aren't as healthy, and they have more cardiovascular disease than their peers.

[pellius]

Even if you don't eat great, people that make good bodybuilders respond very well to training and drugs.

Most people don't want to be a bodybuilder, but even if you do, you can't be good unless your response to drugs is great.

Look at it like a blessing. The folks who get addicted to the easy muscle mass probably look back at it 30 years later as a waste once they find out their prostates are larger than they should be, their kidneys aren't as healthy, and they have more cardiovascular disease than their peers.

Great point. f you're a good (not super great) responder you think you're someone special and it plants the seed for chasing the dream.
You waste a lot of your prime years, as well as money and health investing in something with high cost (in all aspects of life) and little return.

If you're like me and not good responder to training and hormones then you're priorities change and it's easy to give up the dream before it takes root.

You can still be healthy, be in good shape, have superior functional ability, and look better than the majority of the population.

And live a normal life.

[heenok]

Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.

Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.

Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point

For someone your weight your calories are a bit low imo.

Blowing up lean is good but you need to : eat sufficent calories AND start LEAN to begin with

idk if its your first cycle or not but i remember doing 500mg of test E as my first cycle and having pretty bad genetics i had some amazing strengh gains and good size
but as you cycle you need to be more and more agressive with your dosages. 600mg of test is good but you plateau quick on that. I personaly up my dose of add compounds with every of my blasts and still the results arent as dramatic as my first cycle...

[dj181]

Even if you don't eat great, people that make good bodybuilders respond very well to training and drugs.

this

genetics is the most important factor, and then training and drugs are rather equal imho

i've had times were i took less gear but trained more effectively and i looked better than when i took more gear and trained like a dumbfuck

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

this

genetics is the most important factor, and then training and drugs are rather equal imho

i've had times were i took less gear but trained more effectively and i looked better than when i took more gear and trained like a dumbfuck

Try some GH with the AAS and you will respond well. Prolly you have low natural gh.

[_aj_]

That's because unless your hypogonadal steroids will not increase muscle hypertrophy.  Its not a question of andrgen level.  Any idea how many thousands have undertaken the same quest your on?  Think your a genetic exception?  Sleep is far, far more "anabolic" than any drug.

Every one of your gimmicks gives this speech, verbatim. If you are trying to stay more anonymous, you should consider moving the words around or something.

[Thong Maniac]

Interesting responses, thanks yall. I agree thr cals are low but i can put down tons of food and blow up quick with fat. Im slowly raising and hope to be at 3000 daily eventually. I did start fairly lean, id say 10 percent bf. possibly 11. Ill keep plugging away. I am on trt so maybe after this endevour ill just stick to trt at 100mgs and blast to 200mgs before vacation or something. I did that one actually and looked pretty good.

[Jizmo]

thong maniac, what the fuck?
eating 2300 kcals and wondering why youre not growing
im 180lbs right now and im eating more than that and losing 2lbs a week... granted im on 3x as much gear plus t3 and other shit, but 2300 is fucking ridiculous

i remember my first cycle, it was tbol at 40mg a day (thats 280mg a week, not even half of what you use) and i remember i was eating 3200 kcals a day (which were my usual "bulking" calories at that time) and within 4 weeks i was up close to 20 lbs AND LEANER... i looked twice as big (not watery at all, all lean gains / intramuscular water/glycogen retention).
i was actually so scared because i gained a shitton of weight that quickly that i started cutting and finished the cycle at like 15lbs heavier than i started and easily 5% bf lower...

either youre a shit responder OR you need to learn how to EAT

that being said, cutting on gear is A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME for beginners/ the first 2-3 cycles imo
what you are doing IS cutting / reverse dieting. makes no sense. you wont gain fat if you up your kcals by 1000 a day right now, instantly. lots of water/glycogen, yes. fat, no.
you dont gain shit if calories are low, and certainly not with beginner dosages

cutting on gear yields extremely unimpressive results compared to bulking with gear for beginners, unless you hit the tren right from the start

[wes]

First your lucky to be able to obtain all pharma. If your only four weeks in it's way to early to judge because test is still building up in your system.

^^^THIS

[Jizmo]

If your only four weeks in it's way to early to judge because test is still building up in your system.

^^^THIS

bullshit, even if you inject test E only once a week you have pretty much peak levels in your blood after 2 weeks

i dont know where the fuck these myths come from 

www.steroidplot.com

[wes]

bullshit, even if you inject test E only once a week you have pretty much peak levels in your blood after 2 weeks

i dont know where the fuck these myths come from 

www.steroidplot.com

He`s still not gonna` realize the full potential of lets say a 16 week or more cycle.


Use your fucking head.

[Jizmo]

He`s still not gonna` realize the full potential of lets say a 16 week or more cycle.


Use your fucking head.

who the fuck cares, 2 weeks off 16 weeks is nothing
and you DO notice changes within 4 weeks on test E, smartass.

[noc]

No...I too became dyslexic.

[Disco187]

I did prop once and i hated the way it made me look.
I much rather prefer test E. You may have to experiment and see what drugs work best for you.  I only like certain aas, some that will make me look like shit will make others look great and vice a versa.

[MAXX]

some are meant for long distance running, some are meant for lifting weights. chichaua or pitbull, genes play a role.

some people don't know hard training, some cant shovel enough food.

.. but then again maybe you just got bunk gear