Cars - Discuss

[The True Adonis]

Still carbureted...no fuel injection in America yet...

You don't know shit about cars obviously.

The Corvette in 1957 was fuel injected.  Moron.

[sync pulse]

You don't know shit about cars obviously.

The Corvette in 1957 was fuel injected.  Moron.

While it is true that there was a very small penetration of fuel injection in special interest Vehicles (Corvette) and as options in others...The fact is that most Detroit cars were carbureted...It only changed when people started to notice that fuel injected engines could be made to start on the first attempt when they were cold...

[Palumboism]

Still carbureted...no fuel injection in America yet...

It had more to do with the clean air act which went into effect in 1975 with a NOx standard for cars and light-duty trucks of 3.1 grams per mile (gpm).  In 1977, Congress amends the Clean Air Act and tightens emission standards again in two steps. First, between 1977 and 1979, the NOx standard becomes 2.0 gpm for cars. Then in 1981, the NOx standard for cars is reduced to 1.0 gpm.

They had to reduce the compression of the engine which killed horse power.  The catalytic converter and electronic fuel injection were the solutions the automotive companies came up with to meet the standards.  

Customers see the biggest change in the way the cars look and feel.  For example, the successor to the Nova was the Citation.  So, in six years you see cars looking like the nova below becoming the citation.





For me this was the most interesting time in automotive history because the changes were so drastic.  Others see this as the time cars went to shit and I can somewhat agree with them.  I would much rather drive the Nova than the citation, but the fuel economy and emissions of the citation are better.

[Parker]

The 1965 Impala was the only car in America to ever sell more than one million units a year. This was when Chevrolet and General Motors dominated and from the video you can see why.  

Yeah, I really like the shape of the '65s. I know someone who has one rotting away.

[Las Vegas]

It had more to do with the clean air act which went into effect in 1975 with a NOx standard for cars and light-duty trucks of 3.1 grams per mile (gpm).  In 1977, Congress amends the Clean Air Act and tightens emission standards again in two steps. First, between 1977 and 1979, the NOx standard becomes 2.0 gpm for cars. Then in 1981, the NOx standard for cars is reduced to 1.0 gpm.

They had to reduce the compression of the engine which killed horse power.  The catalytic converter and electronic fuel injection were the solutions the automotive companies came up with to meet the standards.  

Customers see the biggest change in the way the cars look and feel.  For example, the successor to the Nova was the Citation.  So, in six years you see cars looking like the nova below becoming the citation.





For me this was the most interesting time in automotive history because the changes were so drastic.  Others see this as the time cars went to shit and I can somewhat agree with them.  I would much rather drive the Nova than the citation, but the fuel economy and emissions of the citation are better.

Lol WTF.  I have never seen one of these.

[Palumboism]

Lol WTF.  I have never seen one of these.

Really, they only sold 800,000 in 1980, but sales dropped off quickly.
I think the reason you never saw one was they all went to the crusher after they reached the 140,000 mile mark because they fell apart. 

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/curbside-classic-1980-chevrolet-citation-gms-deadliest-sin-ever/

The A body was a stretched version of the X body and was used to create some decent cars including the Celebrity, Century, and Cutlass Ciera.  My family had a Cutlass Ciera and it wasn't a bad car.

Cutlass Ciera was the car driven in the movie Fargo

[Las Vegas]

Really, they only sold 800,000 in 1980, but sales dropped off quickly.
I think the reason you never saw one was they all went to the crusher after they reached the 140,000 mile mark because they fell apart. 

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/curbside-classic-1980-chevrolet-citation-gms-deadliest-sin-ever/

The A body was a stretched version of the X body and was used to create some decent cars including the Celebrity, Century, and Cutlass Ciera.  My family had a Cutlass Ciera and it wasn't a bad car.

Cutlass Ciera was the car driven in the movie Fargo

Now that you mention it, I think more than a few of those Cieras can still be found driving around.

[Parker]

Really, they only sold 800,000 in 1980, but sales dropped off quickly.
I think the reason you never saw one was they all went to the crusher after they reached the 140,000 mile mark because they fell apart. 

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/curbside-classic-1980-chevrolet-citation-gms-deadliest-sin-ever/

The A body was a stretched version of the X body and was used to create some decent cars including the Celebrity, Century, and Cutlass Ciera.  My family had a Cutlass Ciera and it wasn't a bad car.

Cutlass Ciera was the car driven in the movie Fargo

Malaise era cars...the cars that were embarassments, and helped the Japanese and Germans get a foothold and win over America. We may have won the hard war, but they won the soft war.

[The True Adonis]

This is the best car review channel on Youtube.

[The True Adonis]

[Palumboism]

Malaise era cars...the cars that were embarassments, and helped the Japanese and Germans get a foothold and win over America. We may have won the hard war, but they won the soft war.

Germany and Japan were bombed out countries in 1946, but the people were intelligent and hard working.  Is it any surprise that they were able to catch up to America 30 years later?  

Call it malaise era if you want, but for me the most interesting time in automotive history was between 1974 and 1986.  At no other time do you see the technology and engineering of cars change so rapidly.
A Chevrolet from 1974 may have looked different than a Chevrolet from 1955 but the engineering and technology changed very little.  

[Palumboism]

You don't know shit about cars obviously.

The Corvette in 1957 was fuel injected.  Moron.

Although the 1957 Corvette was fuel injected the fuel injected version only sold in small numbers.  Volume production of fuel injected cars didn't start till 1967.  By 1967, the Electrojector had been developed by Bosch into a marketable EFI system.  The evolved Bosch design was called the D-Jetronic (D signifying “druck” which is German for pressure). Again, European automakers jumped on the idea. Citreon, Saab, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, and Jaguar.

The first major production of fuel injection on an American car was the 1975 Seville.  It was equipped with an EFI system developed by Bendix.

An ecm from a 1978 Cadillac Seville, this was a rudimentary analog computer at best.  Note: this was from the MOST sophisticated American car produced in 1978.  It shows you how far technology has come.


Motorola, an American based company, began producing the first Electronic Engine Control Modules for fuel injected engines in 1980.  The primitive ecm shown above explains why this was such an important step. Called the EEC-III, this system was offered in North American Ford Motor Company Products.

http://bestride.com/blog/top-automotive-innovations-history-of-fuel-injection/2780/

[Powerlift66]

The Cars haven't been the same since Benjamin Orr died.

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The first major production of fuel injection on an American car was the 1975 Seville.  It was equipped with an EFI system developed by Bendix.

My first fuel injected car was an ancient Scirrocco...My mother's first fuel injected car was a 1984 Ford Tempo.  She was shocked at how it started the first time every time.

[Las Vegas]

Rest in Peace, Tommy Magliozzi.  It's been about a year since his passing.

A genuinely great guy with a way-out mind.  Always finding a way to laugh his ass off about life, while making perfect sense of it, too.






With his brother (and best friend), Ray.

[BIG ACH]

Getbig, here is a sad story for you....


I recently made a wise financial decision but I regret it soooooooooo much....two years ago when I moved to California I got a brand new Dodge Charger RT, I got it fully loaded, with all types of goodies, navigation, Bluetooth, camera, Beats sound system, and of course the famous 5.7L Hemi V8 engine.  I went all out.  

I love American cars, and I loved my big bad Charger..

I got it in "Arab Red" and even slapped on a customized license plate, see images below...

But since I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm paying a fucking arm and a leg for rent, and given how picky I am, I am renting a nice, new spacious place, in an upscale part of town.

Now I make decent money and I have a prestigious job in a fortune 500 company, but it quickly dawned on me that I probably bit off more then I can chew... I didn't hold back when I got the car and I didn't hold back when I chose the house I'm renting... So something had to give... I don't want to move because I love my house despite my landlord jacking up the rent, so two months ago, pretty much over night, I decided to get rid of the car and get something much cheaper... My wife was even trying to talk me out of it but I was determined....

Like a simple guy, I got rid of my awesome muscle car and got a Ford Fusion (see image below)... I went from 375 HP to 175 HP.  Now yeah the Ford is just fine and by making this trade I cut my car payments in half but god damn it do I miss the Power and the speed.... Almost the very next day I said to myself, I've made a horrible mistake... But it was too late.

I know I'm being financially responsible, and it feels good to have more money but damn it.... it freaking sucks making wise decisions.

It's funny, people keep complimenting me on the Ford and I'm like "really?"

[The True Adonis]

Getbig, here is a sad story for you....


I recently made a wise financial decision but I regret it soooooooooo much....two years ago when I moved to California I got a brand new Dodge Charger RT, I got it fully loaded, with all types of goodies, navigation, Bluetooth, camera, Beats sound system, and of course the famous 5.7L Hemi V8 engine.  I went all out.  

I love American cars, and I loved my big bad Charger..

I got it in "Arab Red" and even slapped on a customized license plate, see images below...

But since I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm paying a fucking arm and a leg for rent, and given how picky I am, I am renting a nice, new spacious place, in an upscale part of town.

Now I make decent money and I have a prestigious job in a fortune 500 company, but it quickly dawned on me that I probably bit off more then I can chew... I didn't hold back when I got the car and I didn't hold back when I chose the house I'm renting... So something had to give... I don't want to move because I love my house despite my landlord jacking up the rent, so two months ago, pretty much over night, I decided to get rid of the car and get something much cheaper... My wife was even trying to talk me out of it but I was determined....

Like a simple guy, I got rid of my awesome muscle car and got a Ford Fusion (see image below)... I went from 375 HP to 175 HP.  Now yeah the Ford is just fine and by making this trade I cut my car payments in half but god damn it do I miss the Power and the speed.... Almost the very next day I said to myself, I've made a horrible mistake... But it was too late.

I know I'm being financially responsible, and it feels good to have more money but damn it.... it freaking sucks making wise decisions.

It's funny, people keep complimenting me on the Ford and I'm like "really?"

Not an unwise decision at all my friend.  Afterall, its just a car and there are millions of them.  Focus on what is most important.  (which you always do)  You made the right decision and it will only benefit you in the future over time.  Most people do not have that kind of foresight or are blind to it.  Having that kind of reasoning and then acting on it is more valuable than any old Hemi.

[hazbin]

blast from the past!!  not a car, but I bought a vintage dirtbike tonite.   500 miles on it, original tires, great shape. all that's missing is the decals. it's a 1978 Suzuki PE 250

[BIG ACH]

Not an unwise decision at all my friend.  Afterall, its just a car and there are millions of them.  Focus on what is most important.  (which you always do)  You made the right decision and it will only benefit you in the future over time.  Most people do not have that kind of foresight or are blind to it.  Having that kind of reasoning and then acting on it is more valuable than any old Hemi.

Yeeeeeeahhh.... But it still sucked lol... Principle had a lot to do with it, I was talking with my wife and were discussing how we do still save but out of principle, I couldn't go all out with the house and also with  car , there needs to be  responsibility some where.

[Thespritz0]

Yeeeeeeahhh.... But it still sucked lol... Principle had a lot to do with it, I was talking with my wife and were discussing how we do still save but out of principle, I couldn't go all out with the house and also with  car , there needs to be  responsibility some where.

^^
You'll be getting far better fuel economy as well, especially if you got the 2.0 Ecoboost...
My Uncle lives in Hayward, and the amount of miles you have to drive around the bay area, especially if you socialize on weekends is astounding!!

[Palumboism]

ND, I got your Caddy right here!

[Palumboism]

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[Mr.1derful]

Getbig, here is a sad story for you....


I recently made a wise financial decision but I regret it soooooooooo much....two years ago when I moved to California I got a brand new Dodge Charger RT, I got it fully loaded, with all types of goodies, navigation, Bluetooth, camera, Beats sound system, and of course the famous 5.7L Hemi V8 engine.  I went all out.  

I love American cars, and I loved my big bad Charger..

I got it in "Arab Red" and even slapped on a customized license plate, see images below...

But since I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm paying a fucking arm and a leg for rent, and given how picky I am, I am renting a nice, new spacious place, in an upscale part of town.

Now I make decent money and I have a prestigious job in a fortune 500 company, but it quickly dawned on me that I probably bit off more then I can chew... I didn't hold back when I got the car and I didn't hold back when I chose the house I'm renting... So something had to give... I don't want to move because I love my house despite my landlord jacking up the rent, so two months ago, pretty much over night, I decided to get rid of the car and get something much cheaper... My wife was even trying to talk me out of it but I was determined....

Like a simple guy, I got rid of my awesome muscle car and got a Ford Fusion (see image below)... I went from 375 HP to 175 HP.  Now yeah the Ford is just fine and by making this trade I cut my car payments in half but god damn it do I miss the Power and the speed.... Almost the very next day I said to myself, I've made a horrible mistake... But it was too late.

I know I'm being financially responsible, and it feels good to have more money but damn it.... it freaking sucks making wise decisions.

It's funny, people keep complimenting me on the Ford and I'm like "really?"

The Fusion looks better.

[Palumboism]

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