strong compounds vs weak compounds

[dj181]

i've tried the following compounds: tren, test, deca, eq, dbol, var, winny, superdrol, halodrol, epsitane and here's how i'd put them based on strong vs. weak

strong: dbol, tren, superdrol, test, deca
weak: eq, var, winny, halodrol, epsitane

in my opinion your kinda wasting your time using weak compounds, unless you maybe want to just "refine" your current physique, but even in that case, you can just take lower does of the strong compounds

how would you fellas rate the different compounds that you've taken within strong/weak categories?

[local hero]

Test&tren>all other compounds.....

[spiro]

They all have their place.

[jb14972]

var at high doses can produce alot of strength

also stack 70mg var with 50mg dbol and you have some great pumps and strength increase.
 

[dj181]

var at high doses can produce alot of strength

also stack 70mg var with 50mg dbol and you have some great pumps and strength increase.
 

what about dbol stacked with drol?

[jb14972]

what about dbol stacked with drol?

awesome...
you really cant go wrong with stacking orals man, 2 is always better than 1 lol

[dj181]

awesome...
you really cant go wrong with stacking orals man, 2 is always better than 1 lol

what does would you recommend for each? i'll be getting drol tomorrow and i already have dbol on hand 

[jb14972]

depends on what you have ran before but on a high end would be 150 drol and 75 dbol. i would go with 50-100 drol and 25-50 dbol and the lower to start.

make sure you are running ala and nac for liver support. if you run the drol high def use some novadex

if you eat well you can put on some massive size for sure

[tatoo]

mg for mg, id vote dbol the strongest steroid

[dj181]

depends on what you have ran before but on a high end would be 150 drol and 75 dbol. i would go with 50-100 drol and 25-50 dbol and the lower to start.

make sure you are running ala and nac for liver support. if you run the drol high def use some novadex

if you eat well you can put on some massive size for sure

thanks bro

i've never had estro problems (ie. gyno, water bloat, etc) and i've never taken any ai's it's a genetic thing i guess

[Jizmo]

Test&tren>all other compounds.....

this
test, tren, npp
all you need imo
orals if you wanna go for the quick gains.
mtren, m1t, sdrol are all much stronger and versatile than the "classic" stuff like dbol, drol or winny imo.

mg for mg, id vote dbol the strongest steroid

strong in terms of strongly aromatizing, yeah lol

not in terms of what it does to your physique though

mg for mg there are a lot of orals that blow dbol outta the water
the ones i mentioned above... even tren is stronger than dbol mg for mg id say.
yes, it doesnt give the "dramatic" gains that dbol gives, but thats because dbol gains are 90% water and glycogen
in the end 50mg tren ed will probably put more muscle on you than 50mg dbol a day
and youll also look much better while doing it

[tatoo]

this
test, tren, npp
all you need imo
orals if you wanna go for the quick gains.
mtren, m1t, sdrol are all much stronger and versatile than the "classic" stuff like dbol, drol or winny imo.
strong in terms of strongly aromatizing, yeah lol

not in terms of what it does to your physique though

mg for mg there are a lot of orals that blow dbol outta the water
the ones i mentioned above... even tren is stronger than dbol mg for mg id say.
yes, it doesnt give the "dramatic" gains that dbol gives, but thats because dbol gains are 90% water and glycogen
in the end 50mg tren ed will probably put more muscle on you than 50mg dbol a day
and youll also look much better while doing it

guys in the 70's weren't too watery tho.  looked like lots of real muscle. that had to be their main muscle builder back then id think. I love dbol myself. I believe dbol build muscle if you take for a few months.

[Damios]

In '70 they used it in low doses ( 20mg? ) for long periods. Nowadays Moore often its like 50-100mg ( or even 100mg+ ) for only kickstart etc.; 4-6 weeks.

[local hero]

In '70 they used it in low doses ( 20mg? ) for long periods. Nowadays Moore often its like 50-100mg ( or even 100mg+ ) for only kickstart etc.; 4-6 weeks.

Why did they use it in low doses?, I hate when people keep repeating this shit.....

You all keep forgetting they had access to all the gear we have now, including the original finaject

[Jizmo]

guys in the 70's weren't too watery tho.  looked like lots of real muscle. that had to be their main muscle builder back then id think. I love dbol myself. I believe dbol build muscle if you take for a few months.

allegedly they didnt use high doses of test (debatable). low test with high deca and dbol is actually not as "wet" a cycle as youd think.

they also didnt stuff their faces with carbs nonstop
if youre staying lean and bulking on a ton of steak, milk and eggs youre not gonna get bloated like fuck from dbol

[phreak]

Big dude I used to know once said something that translates as "there are no weak steroids, only weak dosages."

[dj181]

Big dude I used to know once said something that translates as "there are no weak steroids, only weak dosages."

that's an interesting quote

so if your inject of choice is primo then you gotta inject a shit ton of it for it to be a strong compound yes?

if that's true then my broke ass ain't never gonna inject primo 

[jb14972]

the whole " they didnt use high doses back in the day " is bullshit unless you believe that competitive athletes only started caring about winning whenever you also think the stopped using low doses.

[dj181]

i believe that Mentzer claimed to be on 400 mg deca and 20 mg dbol here 

[phreak]

that's an interesting quote

so if your inject of choice is primo then you gotta inject a shit ton of it for it to be a strong compound yes?

if that's true then my broke ass ain't never gonna inject primo 

Some context: he was Michalek-level crazy. Never off for decades, hitting the sauce hard during bowel surgery and the following chemo. Not a role model, but looking massive big for 30+ years.

[theworm]

Deca is pretty week imo

Unless running it at 600-1000 mg a week

[heenok]

Anything strong has bad sides. Even the weak stuff at "strong" dosage has bad sides.
2g of mast will make your prostate explode, grams of EQ will make your blood like mud, 100mg of winstrol ED will destroy your lipids and joints...
weak is a relative term

at the end of the day takes the stuff with the best sides/gains ratio and stick with it.
All AAS work the same way, there is no magical compound.

you would be surprised how many pros only take test + GH + slin off season
they only touch the exotic harsh stuff for pre contest. you really think a guy like dexter jackson would still be around at his age if he was blasting tren or some crazy orals during his off season ?

[Davidtheman100]

Var and winny are not weak...They're just strong in different departments from eachother...It depends on what you mean by "weak"..As in strength gains??? Var is great with strength gains if you're taking 50mg 100% dosed. 100mg strength is even better. Very strong when properly dosed. Strength gains i don't think winny or EQ are special at all...Winny actually screws up my lifts during prep when they're already low...I always ended up having such a low total when i was near contest time i feared i would never get back..But it's all in your head...Especially when you start eating more

EQ is great great with test and tren...totally different look when they're all run together...But yet - EQ is the weakest of the three...Undoubtedly....W inny is strong in another sense because of the hard, grainy look it gives before contest time...It will show the veins not only on the lower abdominal region..But it will show veins through the WHOLE abdominal region...Mini onion strings everywhere..Lats..You name it...that's winny...Dries you out incredibly..For strength..Eh...if you can get past all the joints it fucks up...Maybe you'll increase something...but in my experience all it's done is weaken my lifts when i'm already in a weak state and add it in....But it's strong in it's effects it does to the man on stage..So for that i say it's strong...

[dj181]

Var and winny are not weak...They're just strong in different departments from eachother...It depends on what you mean by "weak"..As in strength gains??? Var is great with strength gains if you're taking 50mg 100% dosed. 100mg strength is even better. Very strong when properly dosed. Strength gains i don't think winny or EQ are special at all...Winny actually screws up my lifts during prep when they're already low...I always ended up having such a low total when i was near contest time i feared i would never get back..But it's all in your head...Especially when you start eating more

EQ is great great with test and tren...totally different look when they're all run together...But yet - EQ is the weakest of the three...Undoubtedly....W inny is strong in another sense because of the hard, grainy look it gives before contest time...It will show the veins not only on the lower abdominal region..But it will show veins through the WHOLE abdominal region...Mini onion strings everywhere..Lats..You name it...that's winny...Dries you out incredibly..For strength..Eh...if you can get past all the joints it fucks up...Maybe you'll increase something...but in my experience all it's done is weaken my lifts when i'm already in a weak state and add it in....But it's strong in it's effects it does to the man on stage..So for that i say it's strong...

when i say strong i mean giving gains in lean bodyweight ie. pure muscle weight, not water, not bloat, not fat but pure lean muscle tissue gains

[Jizmo]

mg for mg anavar is probably stronger than tren even though its usually labeled the "weakest AAS"

however while tons of guys have blasted a gram of tren very little have actually blasted 150mg real var ed

var is usually fake / underdosed, thats why its labelled weak

i think a gram of var a week is probably the most insane thing for bodycomp you could use
i dont have proof though. only through posts of guys who used pharm var in relatively low doses.. .the ones who got the reald eal all claim its the shit even at 20-30mgs