I am seriously considering a vegan diet long term

[BigCyp]

I've been interested in the idea of only eating plant based foods for a while to be honest.

I started watching a lot of durianrider's videos years back, and recently i've really enjoyed the vids he's still doing.

Not that i'll be counting ANYTHING AT ALL (apart from how many floaters I can do in 24 hours), but a lot of vegans follow roughly a 80/10/10 diet (if you really want to look at it in that way), so obviously my protein and fat intake will be LOW.

I'm not worried about protein intake really as i've grown on and off gear whether i'm eating 300g a day or 100g, but i'll probably have a lot of pulses and beans from lunchtime onwards to up this a bit.

I've not eaten any dairy or meat products for over a week now and I feel FUCKING AMAZING.

Surely there must be some vegan broskis on here?

[da_vinci]

What exact RATIONAL arguments you have for YOURSELF for doing that?

I could go on and on... The funny thing is - most long term (15-20 years) vegans I know personally - have quite bad health, strange/rare illnesses/etc... Short term - yeah, you will probably feel great (anyone who starts taking more care of what they put in their mouth does), long term - your body will punish you for it.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

What exact RATIONAL arguments you have for YOURSELF for doing that?

I could go on and on... The funny thing is - most long term (15-20 years) vegans I know personally - have quite bad health, strange/rare illnesses/etc... Short term - yeah, you will probably feel great (anyone who starts taking more care of what they put in their mouth does), long term - your body will punish you for it.

My cousin became hippy 3 years ago and starting eating vegan style. He lost around 40 pounds and looks like AIDS patient now.

[aestheticsuk]

What exact RATIONAL arguments you have for YOURSELF for doing that?

I could go on and on... The funny thing is - most long term (15-20 years) vegans I know personally - have quite bad health, strange/rare illnesses/etc... Short term - yeah, you will probably feel great (anyone who starts taking more care of what they put in their mouth does), long term - your body will punish you for it.

> takes care of what goes in mouth
> gets ill

U wot meight

[SuperTed]

I've considered doing a vegan diet for a few months just to see how I look and feel but I just can't be bothered to go through with it. TBH, I'm pretty much a Pescetarianism around 75% of days in the year.

[SF1900]

If youre bothered by meat that much, just cut down on it. You dont have to eat it 7x per week. You can easily eat it 3-4x per week and then utilize a plant based die the other days. I wouldn't cut it out completely though.

[da_vinci]

> takes care of what goes in mouth
> gets ill

U wot meight

Initially, people who suddently go vegan (it's usualy an extreme turn-around, like - turning to Jesus, from one extreme to another), feel better, because they generally start monitoring their whole food intake more consciously. But that would happen by just eliminating the junk from a diet, meat or no mean. That is short term. If you are deficient of some vitamins and minerals - you won't feel anything wrong most of the time, for SOME period. It may be ten years, or even twenty, but then it may hit you hard. Meat is neccesarry for our bodies, our ancestors genomes were adjusted to process meat as very important food to sustain health and it should be kept that way. There are vitamins which you just can NOT substitute by supps (for ex. Vit A) and it will hurt you down the road, simple as that. Balanced diet, no need for extremes, just clean balanced diet, is that so fukkin difficult?
 Being vegan is nothing but a trend, a decision based on MOSTLY emotional point of view with very little critical analysis.

[BigCyp]

What exact RATIONAL arguments you have for YOURSELF for doing that?

I could go on and on... The funny thing is - most long term (15-20 years) vegans I know personally - have quite bad health, strange/rare illnesses/etc... Short term - yeah, you will probably feel great (anyone who starts taking more care of what they put in their mouth does), long term - your body will punish you for it.

I've literally gotta run, but I will address this in the morning!

[PJim]

I think you're going to struggle to be honest with you. I used to train with a bloke who was very meticulous with diet, mainly a fish and vegetables/wholegrains type of guy 99 percent of the time, but he looked fantastic for it, always shredded but still full, dry, dense muscle.

I hadn't trained with him for about a month when I saw him out the blue and knew instantly something was wrong. He'd just lost that fullness that you get at low bodyfat with a well-rounded diet. Turned out he'd gone vegan and was mainly eating fruit, some nuts, seeds and pulses and little else.

When I got round to training with him he'd lost strength and had flattened out even more. I stopped training with him because we would go out for food afterwards and he would try and put me off meat with various ethical or health based arguments- which I don't disagree with the ethical side, but feel there's not a viable alternative to animal protein yet that should see me giving it up completely.

[TheShape.]

  vegans....

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

I think you're going to struggle to be honest with you. I used to train with a bloke who was very meticulous with diet, mainly a fish and vegetables/wholegrains type of guy 99 percent of the time, but he looked fantastic for it, always shredded but still full, dry, dense muscle.

I hadn't trained with him for about a month when I saw him out the blue and knew instantly something was wrong. He'd just lost that fullness that you get at low bodyfat with a well-rounded diet. Turned out he'd gone vegan and was mainly eating fruit, some nuts, seeds and pulses and little else.

When I got round to training with him he'd lost strength and had flattened out even more. I stopped training with him because we would go out for food afterwards and he would try and put me off meat with various ethical or health based arguments- which I don't disagree with the ethical side, but feel there's not a viable alternative to animal protein yet that should see me giving it up completely.

Vegans are girly men.

[devilsmile]

I'm not a vegan myself but I think what most vegans do wrong is they are constantly low on calories.

Every vegan should at at least 2 pounds of nuts and 2 pounds of avokados every single day, and the same amount of beans, rice and oat meal. The thing is, no one eats that much.

[CalvinH]

I've been interested in the idea of only eating plant based foods for a while to be honest.

I started watching a lot of durianrider's videos years back, and recently i've really enjoyed the vids he's still doing.

Not that i'll be counting ANYTHING AT ALL (apart from how many floaters I can do in 24 hours), but a lot of vegans follow roughly a 80/10/10 diet (if you really want to look at it in that way), so obviously my protein and fat intake will be LOW.

I'm not worried about protein intake really as i've grown on and off gear whether i'm eating 300g a day or 100g, but i'll probably have a lot of pulses and beans from lunchtime onwards to up this a bit.

I've not eaten any dairy or meat products for over a week now and I feel FUCKING AMAZING.

Surely there must be some vegan broskis on here?

Sure thing Catylin.

[Method101]

It's good for reducing the risk of cancer and heart disease but your gonna live in a food prison your whole life and have lower IGF-1 levels which results in less muscle and strength gains but the lowered IGF-1 is the main reason why vegans have a lower cancer risk.

Being Vegan and still having a variety of foods to choose from is expensive too, since dairy products are so cheap and vegan alternatives are overpriced.

[Wiggs]

Nothing wrong with veganism. Very good for you healthwise assuming you get all you nutrients.