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Good info on fasting
« on: September 17, 2015, 12:49:44 PM »
For those interested. Take. From leangains.



Myth: Fasting tricks the body into "starvation mode".


Truth

Efficient adaptation to famine was important for survival during rough times in our evolution. Lowering metabolic rate during starvation allowed us to live longer, increasing the possibility that we might come across something to eat. Starvation literally means starvation. It doesn't mean skipping a meal not eating for 24 hours. Or not eating for three days even. The belief that meal skipping or short-term fasting causes "starvation mode" is so completely ridiculous and absurd that it makes me want to jump out the window.

Looking at the numerous studies I've read, the earliest evidence for lowered metabolic rate in response to fasting occurred after 60 hours (-8% in resting metabolic rate). Other studies show metabolic rate is not impacted until 72-96 hours have passed (George Cahill has contributed a lot on this topic).

Seemingly paradoxical, metabolic rate is actually increased in short-term fasting. For some concrete numbers, studies have shown an increase of 3.6% - 10% after 36-48 hours (Mansell PI, et al, and Zauner C, et al). This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. Epinephrine and norepinephrine (adrenaline/noradrenaline) sharpens the mind and makes us want to move around. Desirable traits that encouraged us to seek for food, or for the hunter to kill his prey, increasing survival. At some point, after several days of no eating, this benefit would confer no benefit to survival and probably would have done more harm than good; instead, an adaptation that favored conservation of energy turned out to be advantageous. Thus metabolic rate is increased in short-term fasting (up to 60 hours).

Again, I have choosen extreme examples to show how absurd the myth of "starvation mode" is - especially when you consider that the exact opposite is true in the context of how the term is thrown around.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2015, 12:56:50 PM »
watched some program about the oldest people in the World some time ago. They where all stringy beanpoles.

so yeah eating less prolongs Life.

less cell renewal ie. less use of stemcells, and less strain on the heart

but... are those 15 extra years worth anything when you have to live like a gay hippie all your life

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 07:12:56 PM »
Anthony colpo and Alan aragorn have somewhat 'compelling' anti-fasting articles.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 07:23:21 PM »
Anthony colpo and Alan aragorn have somewhat 'compelling' anti-fasting articles.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 09:47:13 PM »
Fasting will detox your body.
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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2015, 10:06:07 PM »
I find a good snack 3/4 the way through helps me keep a fast going to the end.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2015, 10:22:45 PM »
I think to all serious dieters and bodybuilders taking one day to fast or eat far less than normal is a good thing. No muscle will be lost. Best way to handle it is to comatose yourself for 24hrs. Sleep all day/night only to get up to piss and maybe drink some fluids.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2015, 02:03:42 AM »
Started leangains eating pattern a few months ago and never looked back. It's liberating. I don't count calories, just eat according to 16/8, three meals usualy. No muscle lost, composition improved, no fukkin bloated feeling all the day , no lethargy, etc... Best decision ever.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2015, 03:19:57 AM »
Is it worthwhile fasting while on a cycle?
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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2015, 03:28:00 AM »
Is it worthwhile fasting while on a cycle?

Leangains is worthwile at any time IMHO. Well unless you're on dat dere dirty bulk.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2015, 04:30:02 AM »
An average getbigger needs to kill one cow every week and eat it in 5 meal segments daily in order to maintain muscle gains, fasting is out of the question.

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Re: Good info on fasting
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2015, 04:32:08 AM »
I find a good snack 3/4 the way through helps me keep a fast going to the end.

LOL...then you are not fasting...it doesn't keep you fasting longer, u are just doing two short fasts instead....but that was funny ;D