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Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« on: September 23, 2015, 09:12:13 AM »
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28.1 General:
When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and definition.
The downward survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in, abdominals, waist, thighs, legs and calves and feet. The same procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs and calves and feet.
A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development. The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized as these comparisons will help the judge to decide which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and definition.
28.2 Assessing the Male Physique:
In assessing prejudging, overall shape and that of the various muscle groups is important. The judge should favour competitors with a harmonious, classical physique. The judge should look for good posture and athletic bearing, correct anatomical structure (including body framework, broad shoulders, high chest, correct spinal curves, limbs and trunk in good proportion, straight legs, not bandy or knock- kneed). The judge should also look for good skin tone with an absence of surgical or other scars, spots, acne or tattoos, which the IFBB considers as a skin blemish, tidily dressed hair, well-shaped feet, and toes. When having difficulty in placing two or more competitors who seem to be on the same level, the judge should look for faults in those aspects listed above which will help to differentiate among the competitors. Detail description of the men’s compulsory poses may be found in Appendix 2, Point 1.1

Can anyone place Branch Warren in 6th place at the Olympia

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2015, 09:13:19 AM »
http://www.ifbb.com/pdf/IFBBrulebook.pdf
Can anyone place Branch Warren in 6th place at the Olympia

The judges did.
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2015, 09:38:27 AM »
The judges did.
they placed him 6th, but did they base their decision on the set criteria.

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2015, 09:39:20 AM »
they placed him 6th, but did they base their decision on the set criteria.

doesn't matter
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 09:44:55 AM »

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2015, 09:46:11 AM »
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2015, 09:47:17 AM »
Branch sucks all the right penises in the IFBB

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2015, 09:55:34 AM »
BE THERE, This sure ain't the answer you're looking for nor expect to find, but think of it this way which might simplify what the rulebook has to say.

Judging any object or living human being when more than one object or one human being is involved ... is simply a matter of comparing one object or one human being against another.

There is much more involved, but that's the simply way of saying it.

But unless you determine a winner his or her throwing a basketball through a hoop, you will always have objections or sexual accusations.

The rest of us gotta live with it.


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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2015, 10:05:23 AM »
BE THERE, This sure ain't the answer you're looking for nor expect to find, but think of it this way which might simplify what the rulebook has to say.

Judging any object or living human being when more than one object or one human being is involved ... is simply a matter of comparing one object or one human being against another.

There is much more involved, but that's the simply way of saying it.

But unless you determine a winner his or her throwing a basketball through a hoop, you will always have objections or sexual accusations.

The rest of us gotta live with it.


But there is a set criteria , and if we are all subjective why do most Mr Olympia's get straight firsts?
Surely not every single judge thinks hes the best in the field?

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 10:42:29 AM »
But there is a set criteria , and if we are all subjective why do most Mr Olympia's get straight firsts?
Surely not every single judge thinks hes the best in the field?

I'm sure there are some dog enthusiasts out there who react similar to bodybuilding fans after Westminster.  :D
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 10:43:34 AM »
I highly doubt if any of the judges ever even read that.   :(

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 10:44:51 AM »
I highly doubt if any of the judges ever even read that.   :(
I suspect most of the judges place people where the think they should place based on their name rather than their physique.

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 10:46:26 AM »
I suspect most of the judges place people where the think they should place based on their name rather than their physique.
Or they`re told how the placings should be before the contestants are ever seen.   :(

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 10:49:33 AM »
I don't think there's anything fair regarding Mr. Oilympia judges.
Like politicians they're just puppets.
Doing what they're told.
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 10:57:55 AM »
From now on,only NABBA USA contests for me........no more NPC shows............just not willing or rich enough to get beaten by guys who train like pansies and take boatloads of gear while I bust balls daily eating tuna straight out da` can!

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2015, 11:09:38 AM »
If the judges took that criteria strictly, William Bonac would have been top 3. He pretty much has it all--good size, conditioning, flow, symmetry, aesthetics.
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2015, 11:10:57 AM »
Ok here's the real deal on that issue.

1. The bottom line for modern pro bodybuilding success = amount of ripped, freaky muscle mass.
Branch may not have great classic lines and shape, BUT, he has a ton of ,muscle on his frame in shredded condition.
A sack of muscular shit is still a sack of shit.

Lots of muscle.............YES,looks great.........NO,looks like shit.

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2015, 11:22:36 AM »
C'mon Wes, what else did you expect?
Without any restrictions on drugs and freaky muscle being rewarded , that's just the way it is.

NABBA seems like a good organization and Bob Gruskin is one the best people in bodybuilding.
The only knock on them is they don't have many shows on their USA schedule.

In my opinion, the most practical solution is to compete in an NPC show run by a good promoter within driving distance.
I think the big national events are a money pit for most of the entrants.
I`m going for the NABBA pro-card Howard..........York Pa.


They just got their pro division started a couple of years back............I would have it already but I got stranded in Binghampton N.Y.................long story but I never looked as good and I was 57 years old.


I got a ton of fair placing in the NPC and even a few gifts, but got robbed a lot too.


Not sour grapes from me,I`m a good sport .............long stories that would take up too much time as I type with one finger because I`m old and only went to Community College.   ;D

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2015, 11:23:57 AM »
On my scorecard it would have been :

1st Dexter Jackson
2nd Bonac
3rd Wolf
4th Rhoden
5th Heath

16th - last- Victor M.
I wouldn`t have argued with that at all.


Yes,Martinez looked almost untrained............he`s done IMO.

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2015, 11:24:44 AM »
Ok here's the real deal on that issue.

1. The bottom line for modern pro bodybuilding success = amount of ripped, freaky muscle mass.
Branch may not have great classic lines and shape, BUT, he has a ton of ,muscle on his frame in shredded condition.

2. The IFBB has rarely followed and enforced the official rules and standards .
The "rules" are based more on accepted norms within the sport.

Their  are actual rules and official criteria for stage lighting intensity. How often to you think THAT gets measured and adjusted with a light meter? LOL, almost never.

Their are 48 pgs on IFBB banned substances and drug testing and it isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

3. The main "stances" used in bikini are technically against the rules. The classic arched back " butt pose" is sexy looking and it's a clear violation of the judging criteria. BUT, only a queer retard would complain about it LOL.

4. C'mon now, bodybuilding contests have been a "free for all circus" for many years .
Trying to debate the current judging criteria, is like trying to analyze how guys in Hooters rate the waitresses.

FFS no he isnt, his legs maybe but he has zero seration in his back chest shoulders and arms, hes a fucking bloated mess.

Compare him to Bonac around the chest and arm area


See the difference?

This grainy look people keep banging on about is a fucking myth

this is grainy

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2015, 11:26:30 AM »
Bonac blows him out of the water........16 place for the abomination called Branch if I was a judge.


Torn bodyparts of peace.

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2015, 11:35:42 AM »





He just squeaked by 2nd/3rd tier pro Michael Kefalianos in 2012

lol figure girl has better shoulder separation

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2015, 11:36:33 AM »
Ok here's the real deal on that issue.

1. The bottom line for modern pro bodybuilding success = amount of ripped, freaky muscle mass.
Branch may not have great classic lines and shape, BUT, he has a ton of ,muscle on his frame in shredded condition.

2. The IFBB has rarely followed and enforced the official rules and standards .
The "rules" are based more on accepted norms within the sport.

Their  are actual rules and official criteria for stage lighting intensity. How often to you think THAT gets measured and adjusted with a light meter? LOL, almost never.

Their are 48 pgs on IFBB banned substances and drug testing and it isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

3. The main "stances" used in bikini are technically against the rules. The classic arched back " butt pose" is sexy looking and it's a clear violation of the judging criteria. BUT, only a queer retard would complain about it LOL.

4. C'mon now, bodybuilding contests have been a "free for all circus" for many years .
Trying to debate the current judging criteria, is like trying to analyze how guys in Hooters rate the waitresses.


Are you sure you're a judge? No offense, but you're the dumbest fucking judge in the history of the IFBB.

Yes, he is clearly shredded.  ??? ::) ::) Wow, youre an idiot. Its quite clear the IFBB is in the shape its in because people like you think this is shredded. Holy shit!

And whats going on with his right pec? Sunken in and distorted.



Besides a watery back, look at his left and right left. The right lat looks disproportioned compared to the left lat.
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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2015, 11:39:32 AM »
Got loose skin under his pecs also like he`s 80 years old already.

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Re: Based on the IFBB judging criteria?
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2015, 11:40:35 AM »

Are you sure you're a judge? No offense, but you're the dumbest fucking judge in the history of the IFBB.

Yes, he is clearly shredded.  ??? ::) ::) Wow, youre an idiot. Its quite clear the IFBB is in the shape its in because people like you think this is shredded. Holy shit!

And whats going on with his right pec? Sunken in and distorted.



Besides a watery back, look at his left and right left. The right lat looks disproportioned compared to the left lat.


this is shredded