Based on the IFBB judging criteria?

[SF1900]

this is shredded

And this

[Simple Simon]

And this

I would be interested what Howard would call these guys?

[Waller]

Can anyone give any clues as to what they look for in the head and feet? WTF is that about?

[SF1900]

I would be interested what Howard would call these guys?

If Branch is shredded, what would we call Andrea Munzer? Super shredded? Mega shredded? 

[Skeletor]

Branch has the "1 gallon of diarrhea in 1 quart ziploc bag" look.

[Waller]

If Branch is shredded, what would we call Andrea Munzer? Super shredded? Mega shredded? 

Flayed?

[WalterWhite]

Got loose skin under his pecs also like he`s 80 years old already.

They almost sag when he's being interviewed.

[Simple Simon]

Hey bozo boy  , I was an NPC amateur and before that an AAU judge ( Mr America) and never judged in the IFBB. If you read my previous  post ( to Wes) on my Olympia top picks you'd realize Branch was no where on that list.
I was given a possible reason why the current IFBB judges placed him higher then a lot of other guys at the O and gave him 1st 3 weeks ago vs Cedric.  I don't understand or agree with a lot of the IFBB judges picks either. Anyone who knows me, knows that, so I agree with your assessment on the IFBB judges.

You used the word shredded.

Do you still think Branch was shredded?

[SF1900]

Hey bozo boy  , I was an NPC amateur and before that an AAU judge ( Mr America) and never judged in the IFBB. If you read my previous  post ( to Wes) on my Olympia top picks you'd realize Branch was no where on that list.
I was given a possible reason why the current IFBB judges placed him higher then a lot of other guys at the O and gave him 1st 3 weeks ago vs Cedric.  I don't understand or agree with a lot of the IFBB judges picks either. Anyone who knows me, knows that, so I agree with your assessment on the IFBB judges.

Im the bozo? lol

You said Branch was shredded. Read below.

Ok here's the real deal on that issue.

1. The bottom line for modern pro bodybuilding success = amount of ripped, freaky muscle mass.
Branch may not have great classic lines and shape, BUT, he has a ton of ,muscle on his frame in shredded condition.

Can you not read your own words,  you idiot?   You said he has a ton of muscles in shredded condition.  

[OB1]

Real IFBB Mr. Oilympia judging criteria:

(gallons of oil * gut size) / times judge dicks blown
 

[SF1900]

I also used the word sexy when your mom was blowing me .  I was drunk and not thinking clearly.

Back peddle of peace for being a moron. 

And people like you are deemed "fit" to judge any bodybuilding contest. Wow! lol

[affeman]

[Simple Simon]

[Simple Simon]

Well , if the hair style and shoe size matches...?

Let me spell this out for you folks ,since you seem a tad slow on the uptake here:

1. I do NOT, repeat do NOT agree with the IFBB judges on this and many other pics. I've posted numerous times that they don't use and adhere to their own official IFBB written standards.

2. My description of Branch is based on what I think the IFBB judges perception of him is...NOT mine.

3. I respect and admire Branch Warren as a bodybuilder and how he lives his life as a man.
Like many others, it seems obvious now that he's put too many miles on the muscles and needs to retire.
BUT, if the judges still reward him with smaller shows wins and high places at the biggest show, WTF?!

Look, if your boss pays you a top salary and give you props on the job, should you quit because someone on the street , says you suck? Nope....

In your estimation give us an insight into Branch's physique from your perspective as a qualified judge.

[Van_Bilderass]

Bodybuilding is subjective and bad calls happen like with Branch.

But people don't understand how bodybuilding judges and many "fans" think. The factor they
look for is how "advanced" a bodybuilder is. Some aesthetic considerations are overlooked when
a guy is very advanced in his development if conditioned and has "ok" proportions. Like Ronnie in 2003, his gut was terrible and had some torn parts and dowright shitty parts as well (calves). But what are you going to do, the guy was so advanced and so overpowering it simply blew the mind. So where to put a guy like that? If you don't put him first, where do you put him? I'm sure there were 10 other more alanced guys on stage that night. What happened was he won and not many complained because he was just so overpowering despite the flaws.

I'm actually amazed the judging isn't worse than it is. IME bodyuilding fans mostly agree with the placings, the would just like to switch places with a couple of guys and then you have a true gift or two but what do you expect in beauty pageant.

Putting the judging criteria on paper doesn't work.

[SF1900]

Well , if the hair style and shoe size matches...?

Let me spell this out for you folks ,since you seem a tad slow on the uptake here:

1. I do NOT, repeat do NOT agree with the IFBB judges on this and many other pics. I've posted numerous times that they don't use and adhere to their own official IFBB written standards.

2. My description of Branch is based on what I think the IFBB judges perception of him is...NOT mine.

3. I respect and admire Branch Warren as a bodybuilder and how he lives his life as a man.
Like many others, it seems obvious now that he's put too many miles on the muscles and needs to retire.
BUT, if the judges still reward him with smaller shows wins and high places at the biggest show, WTF?!

Look, if your boss pays you a top salary and give you props on the job, should you quit because someone on the street , says you suck? Nope....

[SF1900]

Bodybuilding is subjective and bad calls happen like with Branch.

But people don't understand how bodybuilding judges and many "fans" think. The factor they
look for is how "advanced" a bodybuilder is. Some aesthetic considerations are overlooked when
a guy is very advanced in his development if conditioned and has "ok" proportions. Like Ronnie in 2003, his gut was terrible and had some torn parts and dowright shitty parts as well (calves). But what are you going to do, the guy was so advanced and so overpowering it simply blew the mind. So where to put a guy like that? If you don't put him first, where do you put him? I'm sure there were 10 other more alanced guys on stage that night. What happened was he won and not many complained because he was just so overpowering despite the flaws.

I'm actually amazed the judging isn't worse than it is. IME bodyuilding fans mostly agree with the placings, the would just like to switch places with a couple of guys and then you have a true gift or two but what do you expect in beauty pageant.

Putting the judging criteria on paper doesn't work.

The problem is that Branch NEVER EVER fits that category, yet consistently places top 6 or wins shows.

[Simple Simon]

Since you recently declared me an unqualified retard, I am unable to honor your request.
Thanks for playing...good night and have a better tomorrow .

That wasnt me.

Why do you think the judges believe Branch is shredded?
They may think hes a bag of shit but just place him anyway because its good for controversy.

[SF1900]

That wasnt me.

Why do you think the judges believe Branch is shredded?
They may think hes a bag of shit but just place him anyway because its good for controversy.

Thats is, no one in their right mind can look at him and think he is shredded. That leads me to 2 conclusions:

1) Its political.
2) They are trying to create controversy (as you said) by placing him top 6. Then again, this would also be considered a political move.

[SquatsRule]

A dry and lean turd is still a turd.

[hipolito mejia]

On my scorecard it would have been :

1st Dexter Jackson
2nd Bonac
3rd Wolf
4th Rhoden
5th Heath

16th - last- Victor M.

I wouldn't placed Wolf ahead Phil because of lack of calves other than that I agree with you

[wes]

Well at least we know he sux!   

[Van_Bilderass]

The problem is that Branch NEVER EVER fits that category, yet consistently places top 6 or wins shows.

Yes he's been getting gift placings but sometimes when he just walks out for his posing routine he looks damn crazy. Like when he took 2nd in the O. Very very thick. Be There says he's been called ripped undeservedly and I agree except for the legs. Very hard legs.

Like here:

[Simple Simon]

I think you give the IFBB judges too much credit for evoking some elaborate conspiracy here.
I don't have all the answers , that's for sure.  

BUT, I do know the judging process is NOT some detailed elaborate conspiracy plan designed to evoke controversy. It's exactly the opposite of some well managed plan!
It's a lot more casual, haphazard and "off the cuff" then most will ever admit or realize.

If its not a conspiracy then why did not one of the judges give Dex the nod over Phil?

[Simple Simon]

I'm not an IFBB judge and don't know any of them as close personal friends, so I can't say why.

BUT, since this is a forum, I'll take a shot at what I think.

Phil is the current champ and looked " good enough " to keep the title.
I suspect it's pretty subjective and informal.
I also think "group think" and expected norms are major factors due to the insular nature of BB.

Judges get nice expenses paid trips, they dont want to rock the boat, if a judge gets out of step with the group he would get dropped.
I think you are right about the "group think"