Gunther and company looking HUGE today!

[dav-bol]

Provide a soruce showing cancer patients use anadrol for years without ever stopping and their doses are more than what a Pro would use then.

I expect you won't...

All the info you require is in Rick Collins book Legal Muscle.
He cites all the medical info. This is very COMMON knowledge dude.

For the dosage info. go to www.anadrol.com
Recommended doses are unbelieveable and these are for already sick patients.

[dav-bol]

Ok First of all....I've never seen anyone's not able to produce ANY testosterone. If they couldn't produce ANY testosterone they would die. Testosterone is required to live.

Second of all How does my "insight" prove any of your point if they can produce natural test levels? When someone comes off of steroid use they CAN produce testosterone but at low levels until their body starts to produce more of it's own.

Third of all..."Homeostasis at 160lbs" makes absolutely no sense. Homeostasis is the equilbrium of the body's chemicals. Human bodyweight varies vastly depending on alot of things including diet and exercise. If  Pro comes off of AAS and is at 260lbs bodyweight and avoids any kind of PCT...They might loose 20-30lbs MAX in the first few months of comming off but as i've stated earlier..Muscle doesn't just vanish. As long as you continue training and eating right you will maintain your weight fairly well.

If you're up to 260lbs of solid muscle....It will take DECADES to get back down to 160lbs if it's even ever possible. You'd have to stop exercising completly and go on a 500calorie a day diet. But again....No one does this.

Fourth of all..You've avoided my questions and points in prior posts. Stop running around the questions you coward.

LOL

[Johnny Apollo]

this guy thinks ronnie comes off the sauce   must just be those amazing genetics ronnie has that keeps him around 290 when he takes he 3 months off after the O

Ronnie doesn't even really compete at 290lbs. Maybe 280 tops. Their weights are overexagerated by the magazines and the sponsors to make them seem larger. Same with their heights.

The reason he actually gains weight the months after the Olympia is due to his ending his dieting. He consumies several times more calories after the Olympia because he had been dieting for months prior. He gains probably 25lbs in the months following the Olympia.

[Johnny Apollo]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....BWAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAH ahahahahahaha  idiot of the century award

The only idiot here is you. I'm OWNING you and making you look like a fool and you can't even counter my arguments and now i'm the idiot??

[GMCtrk]

The only idiot here is you. I'm OWNING you and making you look like a fool and you can't even counter my arguments and now i'm the idiot??

because everything you are saying is WRONG. The only person you are owning is yourself.

Natural testosterone production CAN NEVER support the muscle mass these pros such as Ronnie and Jay carry around. End of story, end of argument.

[Johnny Apollo]

All the info you require is in Rick Collins book Legal Muscle.
He cites all the medical info. This is very COMMON knowledge dude.

For the dosage info. go to www.anadrol.com
Recommended doses are unbelieveable and these are for already sick patients.

The site you posted says the recomended dose for children and adults is 1-2 mg/kg of bodyweight. For a 160lb man taking 1mg per kg of bodyweight..He would be taking about 70mg per day. For a 160lb man taking 2mg per kg of bodyweight that would be about 140mg per day. This falls right within the realm of average doses for a normal bodybuilder.

Average Dose: Men 50-150 mg/day

http://www.steroidology.com/steroid-articles/steroid.info/9/Anadrol_50_®_(oxymetholome).html


You didn't even read your own source did you? Haha

[alexxx]

Johny Adonis when are you going to remove that wart off your face?

[gordiano]

Haidars "Monster" arms. hahahah

Dude has a great physique. He looks much better than the monsters IMO.

[Johnny Apollo]

because everything you are saying is WRONG. The only person you are owning is yourself.

Natural testosterone production CAN NEVER support the muscle mass these pros such as Ronnie and Jay carry around. End of story, end of argument.

You haven't proven your claims. You say i'm wrong? Prove it. Prove what you're saying and provide sources.

Otherwise shut the fuck up.

[Van_Bilderass]

Provide a soruce showing cancer patients use anadrol for years without ever stopping and their doses are more than what a Pro would use then.

I expect you won't...

It's fact. Read the link dav-bol gave you. I remember reading on pubmed about a girl who developed peliosis hepatitis and she had been on anadrol for 8 years for anemia. Liver damage from orals seems to have genetic component to it, most handle orals just fine. They aren't as dangerous as most seem to think.

[dav-bol]

The site you posted says the recomended dose for children and adults is 1-2 mg/kg of bodyweight. For a 160lb man taking 1mg per kg of bodyweight..He would be taking about 70mg per day. For a 160lb man taking 2mg per kg of bodyweight that would be about 140mg per day. This falls right within the realm of average doses for a normal bodybuilder.

http://www.steroidology.com/steroid-articles/steroid.info/9/Anadrol_50_®_(oxymetholome).html


You didn't even read your own source did you? Haha

LOL... BODYBUILDERS don't weigh 160..LOL maybe you do?
They weigh 250-300 at least real ones do.

At 2 mg. per kg. that is roughly 250 mg. or 5 tablets.
That is a very high dose of drug recommended by the manufacturer.....that is equivalent to a physician prescribing
you FIFTY tablets of D-bol PER DAY.
This is what the medical community is recommending....

I knew a guy taking 500 mg PER DAY of anadrol with no increase in liver enzymes.

[dav-bol]

Johny Adonis when are you going to remove that wart off your face?

It's not a wart it's his brain maybe?

[Van_Bilderass]

At 2 mg. per kg. that is roughly 250 mg. or 5 tablets.
That is a very high dose of drug recommended by the manufacturer.....that is equivalent to a physician prescribing
you FIFTY tablets of D-bol PER DAY.
This is what the medical community is recommending....

I knew a guy taking 500 mg PER DAY of anadrol with no increase in liver enzymes.

Yup. And actually the anadrol.com site says up to 5mg/kg for 3-6 months and then a continual lower maintenance dose if needed.

[Johnny Apollo]

LOL... BODYBUILDERS don't weigh 160..LOL maybe you do?
They weigh 250-300 at least real ones do.

Showing your ignorance again.... Weight depends on a number of things. Saying "Real Bodybuilders" weigh 250lbs + is simply ignorant. Lee Priest has never weighed 250lbs and you're saying he's not a real bodybuilder? How about Arnold..When did he ever weigh over 250lbs?

"Bodybuilder" is defined as one who builds their Body by weight lifting. A person can be a bodybuilder at 130lbs or 330lbs.

Secondly...You're proving my point even more. Bodybuilders DO weigh more than normal people,Espically sick people. You made the claim that

Recommended doses are unbelieveable and these are for already sick patients.

This is as i've shown..False. THe recommended dose for those sick patients is at most 2mg per kg of bodyweight. Most of them not weighing much for a 160lb man that's just 140mg per day.

At 2 mg. per kg. that is roughly 250 mg. or 5 tablets.
That is a very high dose of drug recommended by the manufacturer.....that is equivalent to a physician prescribing
you FIFTY tablets of D-bol PER DAY.
This is what the medical community is recommending....

I knew a guy taking 500 mg PER DAY of anadrol with no increase in liver enzymes.

2mg per kg is NOT 250mg. "per kg" means per kilogram of bodyweight. A 160lb sick person taking 2mg per kg of bodyweight would equate to about 140mg not 250mg.

I see you can't do math either...

[SwingGuru]

meltdown.

Lot of gurus /doctor science wanabees on the internet.

Exactly..  they may say they are OFF, but that may mean only 300 mg Test a week, and 3-4 dbols a day.  You think the big boys are pumping SERMS and running PCT?  That's just guru talk. 

[GMCtrk]

Exactly..  they may say they are OFF, but that may mean only 300 mg Test a week, and 3-4 dbols a day.  You think the big boys are pumping SERMS and running PCT?  That's just guru talk. 

That can't be, according to Johnny Apollo, pros go on PCT and maintain everything by upping the calories.

[Van_Bilderass]

Apollo, check this post from another forum (I know guys who have used orals in very similar fashion):

I stayed on Anadrol @ 50mg/day, 5 days on 2 days off, for almost 3 years. This was not all I used during that time either of course. This was prescribed, and blood tests were done at regular intervals by the prescribing physician. I was 18-21 @ the time. It was the original Syntex Anadrol. Sometime around the end of that period AAS were federally scheduled under the controlled substances act and scripts were hard to come by for a bit. I can remember only taking breaks from Anadrol 4-6 wks pre-contest, during which I would use Halotestin and Cheque Drops instead. I would break maybe for 4 wks after the show. During that period my liver enzymes were never elevated above high normal, SGPT/SGOT in the low to high 50s. As has happened to many of my fellow competitors, I later developed an addiction to various opiates. It started w/ Nubain as this was very popular in the early 90s. In any event, at one point I was using quite a bit of Lorcet/Lortab (acetaminophen & hydrocodone). These very same values were elevated to the high 300s, low 400s from the acetaminophen. I have been saying for years that the hepataoxicity from 17AA does not even compare to the hepatatoxicity of common everyday substances such as acetaminophen and alcohol. There are probably 100 commonly prescribed meds now that easily eclipse the hepatatoxicity of 17AA. I have known of maybe two or three guys over the years who were hypersensitive to 17AA. This is very rare though, and can be easily found out by a simple blood test. Now at 35 I am somewhat more cautious. I no longer use "rec" drugs of any sort, I don't drink at all, take OTC pain meds, etc. I still use 17AA about 30 weeks out of the year though. From all currently available medical indicators, my liver is "healthy."

[SwingGuru]

Thanks to their genetics, the best pros don't need tonnes of juice to pile on tonnes of muscle. They just happen to have a greater genetic propensity towards gaining muscle mass. Like Dave Polumbo said, once you take more than a certain amount of juice a week, the only thing that increases are the side effects.

In Dillett's final article for MD, he talked about how he and his former room-mate Lee Priest McCutcheon both took surprisingly low doses. Furthermore, Lee said in MD that people who do use gear year round are total nads who are going to kill themselves. These two are among the most genetically blessed athletes ever to compete on the IFBB stage.

It's tremendously important to "clean up" after the contest season to detoxify the system. no gear and plenty of cranberry juice are important.

Just because the Pros are blessed is no reason to hate on them - proffesional bodybuilders are icons and glowing examples of what is possible through hard work

Up to a point you are correct.  But the main genetic component is to be a midget.  5'3" to 5'5" ideally, about Lee Priest size.  They won't need as much juice.  But look at Barry Bonds.  Takes a bunch of shit, but hasn't gotten that big.  Works out like a fanatic.  But he is 6'2".  The taller you are, particularly the longer your leg/arm limbs are the more gear you'll have to run.

Palumbo is full of shit - it is with the most sides come the greatest gains.

I fully believe Preist doesn't use as much as most of the guys out there, but he is a midget.

[Johnny Apollo]

Exactly..  they may say they are OFF, but that may mean only 300 mg Test a week, and 3-4 dbols a day.  You think the big boys are pumping SERMS and running PCT?  That's just guru talk. 

Again..Do research before spouting your bullshit.

[dav-bol]

Showing your ignorance again.... Weight depends on a number of things. Saying "Real Bodybuilders" weigh 250lbs + is simply ignorant. Lee Priest has never weighed 250lbs and you're saying he's not a real bodybuilder? How about Arnold..When did he ever weigh over 250lbs?

Have you been around bodybuilding for more than 3 minutes?
I know the answer,......LOL

Priest used to bulk up to 270 in the offseason and Arnold was 260 when he first came to America.
 

Yes, my math is terrible, so terrible that I majored in Engineering in college.

This can't be Adonis, even Adonis isn't this much of a simpering git.

[gibberj2]

they say arnold was 235 onstage... that's total BU CHE. 6'2" 22 inch arms and 57 inch chest and he weight 235? come on b.

[rocket]

He's not a midget.  People need something to feel better about themselves though so height will do.  I have a friend who is around 5"2 - 5"4 and he cops it all the time.. Comes with the territory.

[Johnny Apollo]

Have you been around bodybuilding for more than 3 minutes?
I know the answer,......LOL

Priest used to bulk up to 270 in the offseason and Arnold was 260 when he first came to America.
 

Yes, my math is terrible, so terrible that I majored in Engineering in college.

This can't be Adonis, even Adonis isn't this much of a simpering git.

Arnold was never that heavy onstage. 220 TOPS. He never weighed over 250lbs in his life. I doubt lee ever has either at 5'4".

More ignorant comments...

[Johnny Apollo]

Up to a point you are correct.  But the main genetic component is to be a midget.  5'3" to 5'5" ideally, about Lee Priest size.  They won't need as much juice.  But look at Barry Bonds.  Takes a bunch of shit, but hasn't gotten that big.  Works out like a fanatic.  But he is 6'2".  The taller you are, particularly the longer your leg/arm limbs are the more gear you'll have to run.

Palumbo is full of shit - it is with the most sides come the greatest gains.

I fully believe Preist doesn't use as much as most of the guys out there, but he is a midget.

Height doesn't have anything to do with steroid receptors. Also 5'4" is not a midget it's just short.

[dav-bol]

Arnold was never that heavy onstage. 220 TOPS. He never weighed over 250lbs in his life. I doubt lee ever has either at 5'4".

More ignorant comments...

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/schwarzenegger.html
260 offseason you dolt.

http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=177&site=1

Priest at 250....but on THIS FORUM priest said he was 270 in that pic.

Who's ignorant now ?
LOL LOL