Recovery after 19-nors blast

[equipoise]

Blasted NPP and then running tren a currently. Test doses mostly HRT but were raised and lowered sporadically. Been about 6 months since I've been doing this. Recently been progressively lowering my doses with the aim of eventually coming off (in the interest of health, want to get out while I'm not suffering any health problems). Was wondering if it's possible to recover after this heavy blast. Don't really mind going on TRT if I really have to (have a couple of doctors lined up willing and eager to prescribe), but was wondering if a recovery protocol would be worth running.

Cliffs:
(1) Age: 24 (which is why I want to try a HPTA restart, if I was 50 i wouldn't bother)
(2) I seem to respond to clomid quite well (at least after my first cycle I did a blood test and found that 50mg of clomid a day elevated my testosterone levels into supraphysiological range)
(3) Balls haven't shrank much even after not using HCG for a while. Actually been examined by doctor and told that balls are normal size.
(4) My natural test before ever touching steroids is about low 400s (mood and mental state is actually quite good at that level, bloodwork is perfect etc.). So I'm thinking it might not be too hard to recover to this level at least.

I can get all PCT meds including the more unusual ones such as HMG torem tripto etc. Also have viagra cialis on hand etc. Thinking of just trying Dr Scally's PCT protocol but maybe without the heavy HCG doses. Thoughts?

[deadz]

Hope you're prepared for several months of misery.

[Jizmo]

why do you want to come off if your natural test was already low BEFORE you even touched AAS?

go on trt...

[goku]

Blasted NPP and then running tren a currently. Test doses mostly HRT but were raised and lowered sporadically. Been about 6 months since I've been doing this. Recently been progressively lowering my doses with the aim of eventually coming off (in the interest of health, want to get out while I'm not suffering any health problems). Was wondering if it's possible to recover after this heavy blast. Don't really mind going on TRT if I really have to (have a couple of doctors lined up willing and eager to prescribe), but was wondering if a recovery protocol would be worth running.

Cliffs:
(1) Age: 24 (which is why I want to try a HPTA restart, if I was 50 i wouldn't bother)
(2) I seem to respond to clomid quite well (at least after my first cycle I did a blood test and found that 50mg of clomid a day elevated my testosterone levels into supraphysiological range)
(3) Balls haven't shrank much even after not using HCG for a while. Actually been examined by doctor and told that balls are normal size.
(4) My natural test before ever touching steroids is about low 400s (mood and mental state is actually quite good at that level, bloodwork is perfect etc.). So I'm thinking it might not be too hard to recover to this level at least.

I can get all PCT meds including the more unusual ones such as HMG torem tripto etc. Also have viagra cialis on hand etc. Thinking of just trying Dr Scally's PCT protocol but maybe without the heavy HCG doses. Thoughts?

would hazard a guess that the reason you're test levels were in the supraphysiological range after your cycle was because you still had active hormone in your system rather than 50mg of clomid accomplishing that.
50mg of clomid is highly unlikely to elevate someone with low test suddenly into a significantly higher bracket.

[deadz]

would hazard a guess that the reason you're test levels were in the supraphysiological range after your cycle was because you still had active hormone in your system rather than 50mg of clomid accomplishing that.
50mg of clomid is highly unlikely to elevate someone with low test suddenly into a significantly higher bracket.

You're right on that. Six weeks after last shot levels will still be elevated, likely in the middle range of normal at that point.

[triggerhappy]

It can be done i blasted decent doses of tren for 2.5 years and came off and recovered wasnt too bad at all to be honest. Libido takes a bit of a hit and feel a little flat but that wasnt that bad

[equipoise]

would hazard a guess that the reason you're test levels were in the supraphysiological range after your cycle was because you still had active hormone in your system rather than 50mg of clomid accomplishing that.
50mg of clomid is highly unlikely to elevate someone with low test suddenly into a significantly higher bracket.

Nono I actually didn't PCT after the cycle. Not because I didn't have the PCT meds on hand, it was just because I felt OK and didn't have any crash whatsoever. So for about 9 weeks after the last shot I didn't take anything. Then I decided to run some clomid just to see what it could do for me, and it showed elevated test levels a few weeks after I started the clomid, so I doubt the ester was still sticking around

[Davidtheman100]

Nono I actually didn't PCT after the cycle. Not because I didn't have the PCT meds on hand, it was just because I felt OK and didn't have any crash whatsoever. So for about 9 weeks after the last shot I didn't take anything. Then I decided to run some clomid just to see what it could do for me, and it showed elevated test levels a few weeks after I started the clomid, so I doubt the ester was still sticking around

you ever heard of clomid therapy? clomid can be used as temporarily elevating your test levels and some people on here have said that its permanently raised their test (lies) but it will raise it will it's in your system. Feeling fine is not a good reason to skimp pct..people feel good in the gym when they're blood pressure is through the roof their cholesterol is destroyed and thei hemocrit is elevated...blood work will show all...

[Mranabolic]

When i did pct i used 50 mg clomid and 20 mg nolva and always was fine but i only did 2 cycle per year.. Eventually i got bored of do 2 step forward and 1 backward and since i never do alcohol or rec drugs i decided to cruise since 5 month ago... Best desicion i ever made ..

[theworm]

When i did pct i used 50 mg clomid and 20 mg nolva and always was fine but i only did 2 cycle per year.. Eventually i got bored of do 2 step forward and 1 backward and since i never do alcohol or rec drugs i decided to cruise since 5 month ago... Best desicion i ever made ..

What are you cruising on and how old are you?

[Mranabolic]

Hello friend

I cruise on 125 test cyp every 10 days ,no AIs
I am 31 years old

[theworm]

Hello friend

I cruise on 125 test cyp every 10 days ,no AIs
I am 31 years old

That's good self control, I would do 250 weekly because if I was injecting, I want to at least see some results, lol!

[Mranabolic]

That's good self control, I would do 250 weekly because if I was injecting, I want to at least see some results, lol!

Haha ye i know what u mean , i hate only inject 0.5 ml so i use slin pin so it seems more in small syringue :-)

I maintain on this dose , so i keep it as long as i can .. I know whlie i get biger .. Cruise will increase some too

[deadz]

Hello friend

I cruise on 125 test cyp every 10 days ,no AIs
I am 31 years old

No HCG?

[theworm]

No HCG?

See, that's why I don't do HRt, I would need injections once a week, an AI, and hcg   I think that's too much over a lifetime

[equipoise]

See, that's why I don't do HRt, I would need injections once a week, an AI, and hcg   I think that's too much over a lifetime

Use test undecanoate (nebido is the brand name I think). I asked my doctor about the protocol and he said it's one injection every 8 to 12 weeks. The levels are also more stable than injecting test e everyweek. If your dose is conservative enough you won't need an AI.I think 12 weeks is the norm but some bodybuilders like a bit more lol. Even then, every 8 to 12 weeks is quite OK for improving your quality of life, no? You could literally go on a Europe backpacking trip for 3 months without taking anything and you would be fine. Sounds pretty good to me. Just view it as part of body maintenance. I think brushing and flossing teeth daily takes up a lot more time than getting 1 test shot every 2 or 3 months.

Just don't elevate test levels into the 2000+ range lol. So far my balls don't seem to shrink but I will add in a little bit of HCG on mon to see what it does for me.

[Jizmo]

one injection of test undeca every 10 weeks wont have your levels EVEN CLOSE to stable...
i know there are studies showing a half life of ~4-6 weeks but that still makes a HUGE fluctuation

even the undecanoate ester should be injected every 4 weeks minimum imo.



theres pretty much zero left after 6 weeks.
as i said before and will say numerous times again
doctors dont know shit when it comes to testosterone

[equipoise]

one injection of test undeca every 10 weeks wont have your levels EVEN CLOSE to stable...
i know there are studies showing a half life of ~4-6 weeks but that still makes a HUGE fluctuation

even the undecanoate ester should be injected every 4 weeks minimum imo.



theres pretty much zero left after 6 weeks.
as i said before and will say numerous times again
doctors dont know shit when it comes to testosterone

interesting graph! I did a test u inject about a month ago, I guess I will do another inject this coming monday then, and measure my levels to see where they are at.