The Pope said Christ's life ended in failure at the cross.

[The Ugly]

Religion is CO-OPTED

If you look closely, Catholics have more Rituals than all the religions of the World.

It's all pomp, bread and circuses.  Spirituality is NOT ritualistic.  It is spontaneous.  The spirit of love IS spontaneous.

notice how BORING and BLAND that shit is.  They got the masses WORSHIPPING a man to get to God?

Read the bible to a little kid and they will laugh at you.

No. Shorties, with unbridled imagination, will lap it up hook-line-sinker, like Santa, Tooth Fairy, and the Taylor Bunny. Rational adults are the ones who should be more critical.

[Man of Steel]

Religion is CO-OPTED

If you look closely, Catholics have more Rituals than all the religions of the World.

It's all pomp, bread and circuses.  Spirituality is NOT ritualistic.  It is spontaneous.  The spirit of love IS spontaneous.

notice how BORING and BLAND that shit is.  They got the masses WORSHIPPING a man to get to God?

Read the bible to a little kid and they will laugh at you.

I've read bible stories to my 5-year old....only time she laughed is when I farted while reading.

She did ask some good questions for a child though.  Where is God?  How do we see God?  Can we talk to God?  Why did people not like Jesus?

[DanM]

The roman catholic church is the beast

[Man of Steel]

What answer did you give her, for each of those questions?

In terms a small child could understand I spoke to her about God's heaven, the life of Jesus Christ, prayer, the Holy Spirit and the ugliness of some people.

Again, in simple words a child can understand.

[Man of Steel]

Ok, but what actually were the simple answers that you gave to those questions, or what answers would you give to those questions if an adult asked them with genuine curiosity?

1. Where is god?
2. How do we see god?
3.Can we talk to god (and does he talk back)?
4. Why did people not like Jesus?

Adult answers:

1) His heaven is the third heaven that exists outside the bounds of our universe...a transcendent, spiritual place where God's holy kingdom resides. The first heaven is our earthly atmosphere, the second heaven is the expanse of the universe and the 3rd heaven is God's kingdom beyond that.  God is not "the man living in the clouds" with fat, baby angels playing harps.

2) God's nature is divine and he expresses that nature in a trinity of persons in Father, Son and Spirit.  The Father is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is spirit, but the Son exists in the form of humanity in the person of Jesus Christ.  People have seen God through the incarnate son in Jesus Christ and one day believers will again see him face to face.  We see God in the goodness and seemingly infinite expanse of his creation.  We see God in his holy word.  We see God in his body of believers.  We see God in his redemptive work on Calvary's cross.

3)  We speak to God in moments of prayer.  For most God does not speak in an audible voice, but he has to some both past and present.  He communicates to some in dreams and visions and for believers today it's the tangible presence of his Holy Spirit made manifest in our lives that's an amazing personal communicative experience (hard to even describe).  His spirit literally exists within his believers...attached to us at the soul (if you will).  More so than sight and sound, but the feeling of God indwelling his apostles is what emboldened them to move forward with his great commission proclaiming his death and resurrection, his righteouness, grace, mercy, justice and love.  And doing so bodly without shame until their lives were extinquished.

4) It was the Pharisetical leadership in the Sanhedrin that despised Jesus and his teachings and charged him with blasphemy for proclaiming himself the messiah and claiming equality with God.  The pharisees were repeatedly exposed and outwitted by Christ for their self-serving, disingenuous behaviors and they hated him for it and recruited the assistance of the Roman government to capture, brutally punish and ultimately put him to death via crucifixion at Golgatha (or Calvary).  The pharisees held great influence and power over the Jewish people and easily managed to turn the throngs of Jewish people against Christ.

[Fortress]

1) His heaven is the third heaven that exists outside the bounds of our universe...a transcendent, spiritual place where God's holy kingdom resides. The first heaven is our earthly atmosphere, the second heaven is the expanse of the universe and the 3rd heaven is God's kingdom beyond that.  God is not "the man living in the clouds" with fat, baby angels playing harps.

2) God's nature is divine and he expresses that nature in a trinity of persons in Father, Son and Spirit.  The Father is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is spirit, but the Son exists in the form of humanity in the person of Jesus Christ.  People have seen God through the incarnate son in Jesus Christ and one day believers will again see him face to face.  We see God in the goodness and seemingly infinite expanse of his creation.  We see God in his holy word.  We see God in his body of believers.  We see God in his redemptive work on Calvary's cross.

3)  We speak to God in moments of prayer.  For most God does not speak in an audible voice, but he has to some both past and present.  He communicates to some in dreams and visions and for believers today it's the tangible presence of his Holy Spirit made manifest in our lives that's an amazing personal communicative experience (hard to even describe).  His spirit literally exists within his believers...attached to us at the soul (if you will).  More so than sight and sound, but the feeling of God indwelling his apostles is what emboldened them to move forward with his great commission proclaiming his death and resurrection, his righteouness, grace, mercy, justice and love.  And doing so bodly without shame until their lives were extinquished.

4) It was the Pharisetical leadership in the Sanhedrin that despised Jesus and his teachings and charged him with blasphemy for proclaiming himself the messiah and claiming equality with God.  The pharisees were repeatedly exposed and outwitted by Christ for their self-serving, disingenuous behaviors and they hated him for it and recruited the assistance of the Roman government to capture, brutally punish and ultimately put him to death via crucifixion at Golgatha (or Calvary).  The pharisees held great influence and power over the Jewish people and easily managed to turn the throngs of Jewish people against Christ.

You sound like a pleasant and decent man, but you're out of your (reasonable) mind. Thoroughly brainwashed and delusional. And the horror is, you're poisoning your child's vulnerable mind with the same madness. Brainwashing her. My parents did the same to me. They didn't consider what they were doing. It never dawned on them. They had been brainwashed, as well. I love them. But this is the truth. Without wanting to suggest my mind is better, I was able to escape from the mental paralysis that happens when one has been brainwashed.

Passing such superstition on to children is child abuse, plain and simple.

[The Ugly]

You sound like a pleasant and decent man, but you're out of your (reasonable) mind. Thoroughly brainwashed and delusional. And the horror is, you're poisoning your child's vulnerable mind with the same madness. Brainwashing her. My parents did the same to me. They didn't consider what they were doing. It never dawned on them. They had been brainwashed, as well. I love them. But this is the truth. Without wanting to suggest my mind is better, I was able to escape from the mental paralysis that happens when one has been brainwashed.

Passing such superstition on to children is child abuse, plain and simple.

Always thought I'd just let my hypothetical kids decide for themselves, without personally introducing it. Thought that, for these children I never, ever wanted and therefore never had, it'd be the fairest way to proceed. What with the promise of an afterlife and all, who am I to piss on hope and whatnot with my cynical common sense and reason? Knock yourselves out, kids I ain't havin'!

Completely reevaluated and vetoed that approach. I couldn't, in good conscience, allow these imaginary children to endure the same fear and hopelessness I felt knowing I COULDN'T choose what I believed, yet a make-believe monster is going to torture me eternally for exactly that. Object to much, obviously, but it's the one part I simply couldn't let slide.

Without rendering any judgment here, I do find that aspect sort of abusive, yeah. To mine, I mean, knowing they'd possibly inherit my innate skepticism.

[Thong Maniac]

You sound like a pleasant and decent man, but you're out of your (reasonable) mind. Thoroughly brainwashed and delusional. And the horror is, you're poisoning your child's vulnerable mind with the same madness. Brainwashing her. My parents did the same to me. They didn't consider what they were doing. It never dawned on them. They had been brainwashed, as well. I love them. But this is the truth. Without wanting to suggest my mind is better, I was able to escape from the mental paralysis that happens when one has been brainwashed.

Passing such superstition on to children is child abuse, plain and simple.

Hopefully he sends his kid to college for their sake, or someone calls social services. I consider this child abuse really. Its setting them up for failure

[The Ugly]

Hopefully he sends his kid to college for their sake, or someone calls social services. I consider this child abuse really. Its setting them up for failure

Social services, for what? Raising a Christian?

Listen to yourself.

[Thong Maniac]

Social services, for what? Raising a Christian?

Listen to yourself.

Arm chair christianity or "hobby" christianity is fine IMO. Want to believe there is an afterlife? Cool, fine by me...

but mOS is a fundamentalist and all consumed. Fundamentalism is not good to subject children to. Im definitely listening to myself. Children NEED to grow up neutrally with this stuff and learn on their own, not be indoctrinated

[The Ugly]

Arm chair christianity or "hobby" christianity is fine IMO. Want to believe there is an afterlife? Cool, fine by me...

but mOS is a fundamentalist and all consumed. Fundamentalism is not good to subject children to. Im definitely listening to myself. Children NEED to grow up neutrally with this stuff and learn on their own, not be indoctrinated

Please just address the question:

Social Services, this collection of deadend pensioners who allow unmarried ghettos and crackheads to litter a f'n pay-by-day motel with 10-plus partially-clothed, dirty, unfed future felons, and you're thinking they''ll rescue MoS's kids from Christian abuse?

Please reconsider your post.

[Man of Steel]

You sound like a pleasant and decent man, but you're out of your (reasonable) mind. Thoroughly brainwashed and delusional. And the horror is, you're poisoning your child's vulnerable mind with the same madness. Brainwashing her. My parents did the same to me. They didn't consider what they were doing. It never dawned on them. They had been brainwashed, as well. I love them. But this is the truth. Without wanting to suggest my mind is better, I was able to escape from the mental paralysis that happens when one has been brainwashed.

Passing such superstition on to children is child abuse, plain and simple.

Congrats on your escape!

After careful consideration I've decided to continue raising my child with my wife.  Our family will have a Christian home.

But thanks!

[Man of Steel]

Arm chair christianity or "hobby" christianity is fine IMO. Want to believe there is an afterlife? Cool, fine by me...

but mOS is a fundamentalist and all consumed. Fundamentalism is not good to subject children to. Im definitely listening to myself. Children NEED to grow up neutrally with this stuff and learn on their own, not be indoctrinated

I'm just a Christian....loud and proud!  I represent Christ.

Thanks so much for the commentary....super helpful!

[Set It Up]

You sound like a pleasant and decent man, but you're out of your (reasonable) mind. Thoroughly brainwashed and delusional. And the horror is, you're poisoning your child's vulnerable mind with the same madness. Brainwashing her. My parents did the same to me. They didn't consider what they were doing. It never dawned on them. They had been brainwashed, as well. I love them. But this is the truth. Without wanting to suggest my mind is better, I was able to escape from the mental paralysis that happens when one has been brainwashed.

Passing such superstition on to children is child abuse, plain and simple.

I think MOS is a good guy, but this answer hits the nail on the head. Delusional, brainwashed, all of it. Pure superstition with zero proof.

[SF1900]

Please just address the question:

Social Services, this collection of deadend pensioners who allow unmarried ghettos and crackheads to litter a f'n pay-by-day motel with 10-plus partially-clothed, dirty, unfed future felons, and you're thinking they''ll rescue MoS's kids from Christian abuse?

Please reconsider your post.

Social Service system, to a great extent, is a dead system, not because the workers do not care or allow parents to get away with abuse.

There are larger people and systems that the daily social worker has to answer to, as well as other issues (having gigantic, unrealistic caseloads, in which all clients are severely mentally ill) that they have to contend with. Its a broken system, but not at the level of the "deadened pensioner" as you aptly describe. Bitch move. Please reconsider your post. Thank you.

[Set It Up]

at the end of the day, the bible is just another book, a book some shmuck wrote some thoughts down in, and was changed and added to over the years. Its no different than say if I went out and followed my favorite book, On The Road by Kerouac and started hopping trains and all that shit. Its a book, some people follow it, some people dont. Doesnt mean theres a god   . Also, Jesus today would be seen as David Blaine type character, which he probably was back in his day, Cept they didnt stand for that shit and hung him out to dry. And he never rose from the dead, what a load of shit.

Who, I ask WHO the fuck came up with this hokey shit called religion? What a crock.

[Set It Up]

Social Service system, to a great extent, is a dead system, not because the workers do not care or allow parents to get away with abuse.

There are larger people and systems that the daily social worker has to answer to, as well as other issues (having gigantic, unrealistic caseloads, in which all clients are severely mentally ill) that they have to contend with. Its a broken system, but not at the level of the "deadened pensioner" as you aptly describe. Bitch move. Please reconsider your post. Thank you.

Im on Social Services, Canadian version, called the SAID program (cause Ive got a fried brain  ). I talk with my worker a lot and they are beyond understaffed, sometimes having 100 clients for every worker. Its way worse in the States. Sure its a broken system, but like SF says, not at the level of the deadened pensioner. SF1900's answer is a really good one. Well done

[SF1900]

Im on Social Services, Canadian version, called the SAID program (cause Ive got a fried brain   ). I talk with my worker a lot and they are beyond understaffed, sometimes having 100 clients for every worker. Its way worse in the States. Sure its a broken system, but like SF says, not at the level of the deadened pensioner. SF1900's answer is a really good one. Well done

Thank you!

This is exactly it. In MANY states, the average social worker can have up to 100 children/families on their caseloads. Many of these cases are highly volatile cases, consisting of children who are highly aggressive and dangerous and often suicidal. Its not uncommon for social workers to just eventually "break down." Can you imagine having hundreds of phone calls to make and any phone call you miss or do not make, is on your ass, especially if a child commits suicide. Its a very stressful situation to be in. The caseloads and demands are unrealistic for any ONE human being to contend with. As such, people fall through the cracks, i.e., children are left with abusive parents, clients don't get the quality of care they truly need, etc. Of course there are BAD social workers, but there are bad workers in every field. The WHOLE system needs to be fixed, especially at the top. When examining a large system like the social work system, its usually not at the level of the worker that is the problem. It starts up top.

[Man of Steel]

By the way fellas. ..the "concerned atheist child abuse" angle is covered about twice a year LOL.

So guess it's back to the ole drawin board.

It was a cute attempt though....I actually smiled and rolled my eyes while readin the posts and takin a dump.

[Man of Steel]

Now come the "seriously we're really concerned" follow-ups...

Please post them anyways! 

[Set It Up]

By the way fellas. ..the "concerned atheist child abuse" angle is covered about twice a year LOL.

So guess it's back to the ole drawin board.

It was a cute attempt though....I actually smiled and rolled my eyes while readin the posts and takin a dump.

If its any consolation i couldnt give a shit whether ur kid becomes the pope or gets hit by a bus

But i fukin hate kids

[The Ugly]

I'm just a Christian....loud and proud!  I represent Christ.

Thanks so much for the commentary....super helpful!

Not an armchair or "hobby" Christian?

[SF1900]

If its any consolation i couldnt give a shit whether ur kid becomes the pope or gets hit by a bus

But i fukin hate kids

But Potato is your kid!!

[Man of Steel]

If its any consolation i couldnt give a shit whether ur kid becomes the pope or gets hit by a bus

But i fukin hate kids

Aaaaaaand we're back....lesson learned

[The Ugly]

Social Service system, to a great extent, is a dead system, not because the workers do not care or allow parents to get away with abuse.

There are larger people and systems that the daily social worker has to answer to, as well as other issues (having gigantic, unrealistic caseloads, in which all clients are severely mentally ill) that they have to contend with. Its a broken system, but not at the level of the "deadened pensioner" as you aptly describe. Bitch move. Please reconsider your post. Thank you.

How so? Ok, done. No prob.