My Long Post On Panic/Anxiety

[wes]

Very hard for people to understand that dont have it as i never understood it either.Now my wife,mom,dad friends they dont get it so you feel all alone which makes it worse.Very frustrating to not be able to control this.

It sure is frustrating,I wish I could just wish it away.


My meds help some but I still have it almost constantly.........it sux.

[Kim Jong Bob]

sick retard you are just a sympathy seeker. who cares about your pill popping. your phycho attacks and farewell threads then begging to mod the lounge...just fuck off.

lol donny is drunk again..

[Donny]

lol donny is drunk again..

you're Boring Son.

[Necrosis]

Some people have posted on here that they have anxiety and/or panic issues. Ive lived it for years to the nth degree, at one point having 15 hour a day panic attacks and constant anxiety.  The last panic attack I had was in 2005 and if I get anxiety 1 or 2x a month on a minor level thats lots now.

The first step for me was accepting panic cant hurt me. That was in July of 2005. I remember the day clearly, I was getting an attack out of nowhere again and just decided if it was gonna happen, piss on it, I'll let it happen. After that day it never happened again. Looking back, I firmly believe now that panic attacks dont come out of nowhere. The biggest factor, imo, is thinking about them all the time. If you do, they will happen. If you accept they cant hurt you, they will go away. As a severe panic sufferer, this is easier said than done, but if I can do it, anyone can. Stress can contribute to them and so can lack of sleep. Heres one that pisses me off. People drink coffee on an empty stomach first thing in the morning and then complain about anxiety and panic. WTF do you think is gonna happen if you put caffeine into an empty system if you already have anxiety/panic issues? It's like mainlining a problem. For me also, allergies to food contributed massively to anxiety and panic. An allergic reaction can mimic the unable to breathe actions from panic. Dehydration was a major contributor also, when your body is dehydrated, your brain is dehydrated and leads to emergency signals and panic. Shoving high sugar high GI foods into your gut without anything else will spike the insulin which also will feel like panic for those who suffer from panic/anxiety.

Anxiety, a more common problem used to plague me to a major degree. It came in the form of stomach anxiety and chest tightness anxiety. Lots of similarities in why it happened as to the panic, especially in the areas of food allergies. The biggest discovery I made which, knock on wood, has made my anxiety 99% disappear was anti-histamine eating. Lots of foods contain histamine and produce histamine, and these foods were absolutely savage to my anxiety. I had absolutely no idea about this until told about it by someone else. I did extensive reading and studying on the subject and have since eaten only anti-histamine foods (I eat paleo all the time), and if I go off the mark even slightly and eat a histamine food I pay for it big time in the form of anxiety, grouchiness and overall misery. Also, the environment produces histamine in various ways, and for this I use a spray called  Rhus-Toxico Dendron 3x per day which combats this histamine. I cannot speak highly enough of what these changes have done for me.

I came from years of SEVERE panic and anxiety attacks all the way to no panic and barely (1 or 2x a month) anxiety so I really believe in what worked for me. I always wanna help people who have these issues as I know how brutal and crippling they can be. Feel free to pm me anytime.

and yes, tldr, ylls, hth etc etc

Some of what you say makes sense, i often find people with anxiety overfocus on peripheral details that may not have a central role. For example, your spray is a homeopathic, it's just water, there's nothing in it, it's doing nothing.

I wonder if high histamine foods have other things in them you may be attributing to histamine.

[Davidtheman100]

Very interesting/sounds scary...I have yet to witness or have one...Many take feeling normal all the time for granted and People with these conditions must see normal people and be envious

[SF1900]

Donny getting owned and melting down in another thread lol. What's new lol

[NelsonMuntz]

Good thread and respect all the honesty in here.

Always felt that dealing with just my addiction issues(recovering alcoholic) would make everything better, which it did and does to a certain extent, until everything the last couple of years made me just sit back and totally surrender to the fact that in my own case they went hand in hand.

The irony today is improving and maintaining my physical, mental, emotional health are all so tied together that I am unwilling to slack on any of them.Up until a few years ago I could neglect 2 out of 3 of those things, even all of them, go through hell and bounce back.

Not anymore..that is what getting older is.

[BigRo]

I used to laugh at anxiety and panic,until about 8 years ago and its been getting worse every day,it makes me want to kill myself although i wouldnt.I get ativan and only take it when needed maybe once or twice a week.It is a horrible feeling,i get short of breath,palpitations and dizzy,been to doc to rule things out and it all comes back to anxiety.I cant grt rid of it,if i have a couple hours a day were i dont have it im very lucky as i have it most days all day long.I dont think i will ever get it under control.It has def ruined my life.

create the time and space in your life to work on it, you can get it under control, have faith and move forward.

[BigRo]

Same here

why exactly?

[oldtimer1]

Steroid can really mess up the mind too. I remember Mike Mentzer writing about that but he also added to it by using speed.

When you're on steroids you feel confident. They use to label steroids in the PDR as giving a sense of well being. It's true. Again you feel confident and aggressive.  When you truly go off  you can feel anxiety, nervous and meek. Most guys cycle so frequently they are never off long enough to feel this. Hormones have a powerful effect on mood as any parent of a teenager can attest. Now compound this with extraneous androgen in the form of recreational steroids.

I have never heard of histamine foods. Tell me about it.

[Van_Bilderass]

Steroid can really mess up the mind too. I remember Mike Mentzer writing about that but he also added to it by using speed.

When you're on steroids you feel confident. They use to label steroids in the PDR as giving a sense of well being. It's true. Again you feel confident and aggressive.  When you truly go off  you can feel anxiety, nervous and meek. Most guys cycle so frequently they are never off long enough to feel this. Hormones have a powerful effect on mood as any parent of a teenager can attest. Now compound this with extraneous androgen in the form of recreational steroids.

I have never heard of histamine foods. Tell me about it.

Steroids can bring forth anxiety and panic disorders in people who never had it before. It happens quite a lot actually. That's why I asked Potatank when he last used steroids.

[Ronnie Rep]

My wife and my brother suffered from them. I think stress is the #1 contributing factor to them. Along with certain medications and drugs interacting with it.

[Set It Up]

Steroids can bring forth anxiety and panic disorders in people who never had it before. It happens quite a lot actually. That's why I asked Potatank when he last used steroids.

Absolutely I think steroids can bring them up. I believe my steroid use in my 20's contributed to my panic and anxiety problems in my 30's. The doctors said what happened to me was gonna happen sooner or later, it was just a case of the rubber band waiting to snap.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Explain more about anti histamine eating.  Curious what kind of foods.  I get serious anxiety but realize that I only do it to myself but still fail to control it.  I find not enough caffeine and I feel a sluggish anxiety and too much I get that panicky type.  Just the right amount and I get an alert well being and controllable anxiety

[Set It Up]

Explain more about anti histamine eating.  Curious what kind of foods.  I get serious anxiety but realize that I only do it to myself but still fail to control it.  I find not enough caffeine and I feel a sluggish anxiety and too much I get that panicky type.  Just the right amount and I get an alert well being and controllable anxiety

I find this list to be best--I eat absolutely nothing on this list.

http://www.michiganallergy.com/food_and_histamine.shtml

[Set It Up]

Good stuff Josh..............I`m a complete mess and have a lot of anxiety on a daily basis.


I`ll try my best to implement some of your advice but I need my coffee in the AM,though I did cut back on it the rest of the time.


Panic attacks and anxiety,the feeling of impending doom, and making your molehills into mountains is a bitch,only someone who has the condition can truly understand how uncomfortable you can be in your own skin,usually over nothing.


Very hard to control for me.

nobody on this planet "needs" caffeine

[El Diablo Blanco]

I find this list to be best--I eat absolutely nothing on this list.

http://www.michiganallergy.com/food_and_histamine.shtml

Interesting list.  I barely eat those foods.  It makes sense about pineapple. I love eating it but always get an odd physical feeling afterwards.  I need to stop eating yogurt and cottage cheese.  Why is it dairy causes this.  Makes sense why bodybuilders hate dairy and claim it causes a thin layer of water. That water layer would be caused by the body fighting the histamines.

[Set It Up]

Interesting list.  I barely eat those foods.  It makes sense about pineapple. I love eating it but always get an odd physical feeling afterwards.  I need to stop eating yogurt and cottage cheese.  Why is it dairy causes this.  Makes sense why bodybuilders hate dairy and claim it causes a thin layer of water. That water layer would be caused by the body fighting the histamines.

for me dairy causes problems cause it is the slowest digesting food. More blood is diverted to the stomach for digestion causing some emergency/anxiety signals to be sent out to. Just my opinion from what I have read. Dairy is murder for me.

[viking1]

A huge factor in panic anxiety disorder is ideal hydration with the correct balance of electrolytes/sodium balance. Many people seem to lean towards overhydration which dilutes the sodium levels in the body, creating a panic anxiety response. It's a tough situation. It seems to be an area of "cycles"... Anxiety breeds Anxiety, and before you know it, you're stuck in a vicious cycle that's hard to get out.

I find that if I pace myself drinking water(without pounding liter after liter in a short amount of time), I feel very calm like all functions of my body are in perfect harmony. When I used to be more addicted to water, or having the common fear of, "I'm not drinking enough, I'm getting dehydrated, etc..", I could feel the anxiousness kicking in.

[Set It Up]

A huge factor in panic anxiety disorder is ideal hydration with the correct balance of electrolytes/sodium balance. Many people seem to lean towards overhydration which dilutes the sodium levels in the body, creating a panic anxiety response. It's a tough situation. It seems to be an area of "cycles"... Anxiety breeds Anxiety, and before you know it, you're stuck in a vicious cycle that's hard to get out.

I find that if I pace myself drinking water(without pounding liter after liter in a short amount of time), I feel very calm like all functions of my body are in perfect harmony. When I used to be more addicted to water, or having the common fear of, "I'm not drinking enough, I'm getting dehydrated, etc..", I could feel the anxiousness kicking in.

agree  100%. My hydration used to be 2-4 litres of diet coke per day...and I wonder why I had anxiety. I quit pop completely and now drink 8 500ml bottles of water daily and the difference is EXTREME. And ya, I agree you can overhydrate.

[Lustral]

Good stuff Josh..............I`m a complete mess and have a lot of anxiety on a daily basis.


I`ll try my best to implement some of your advice but I need my coffee in the AM,though I did cut back on it the rest of the time.


Panic attacks and anxiety,the feeling of impending doom, and making your molehills into mountains is a bitch,only someone who has the condition can truly understand how uncomfortable you can be in your own skin,usually over nothing.


Very hard to control for me.

Taking stimulants all the time acts on the adrenals, same as fight or flight mode, hence the anxiety. I have cut down massively on caffeine and other stims. Didnt affect me when i was early 20s but now i feel shit if i take too much caffeine.

All these young kids horsing red bull/monster/energy drinks is a ticking time bomb. Noone took coffee when i was in school (graduated school 2002) and now i see 16 year olds in gym drinking energy drinks like a whore drinks cum.

Combine this with their complete inability to socially relate to people and they will all be mental messes soon.

[Set It Up]

Taking stimulants all the time acts on the adrenals, same as fight or flight mode, hence the anxiety. I have cut down massively on caffeine and other stims. Didnt affect me when i was early 20s but now i feel shit if i take too much caffeine.

All these young kids horsing red bull/monster/energy drinks is a ticking time bomb. Noone took coffee when i was in school (graduated school 2002) and now i see 16 year olds in gym drinking energy drinks like a whore drinks cum.

Combine this with their complete inability to socially relate to people and they will all be mental messes soon.

yup, some serious doom coming for the younger generation as they age

[wes]

nobody on this planet "needs" caffeine

Of course you`re correct Josh,but I damn sure am addicted to it........especially first thing in the morning.


I`ve got an addictive personality anyway,but I will work on quitting coffee if it helps with my anxiety...............ca n`t stand the constant worrying over nothing at all.

[wes]

Taking stimulants all the time acts on the adrenals, same as fight or flight mode, hence the anxiety. I have cut down massively on caffeine and other stims. Didnt affect me when i was early 20s but now i feel shit if i take too much caffeine.

All these young kids horsing red bull/monster/energy drinks is a ticking time bomb. Noone took coffee when i was in school (graduated school 2002) and now i see 16 year olds in gym drinking energy drinks like a whore drinks cum.

Combine this with their complete inability to socially relate to people and they will all be mental messes soon.

Good post and yes,these kids are fucked.

[BigRo]

Meditation folks.