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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2015, 12:36:20 AM »
And you don't think he gets tested more than almost everyone else at this point? Sorry, some rare athletes are just wired different than others.

a lot of guys still beat tests regularly.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2015, 02:09:31 AM »
And you don't think he gets tested more than almost everyone else at this point? Sorry, some rare athletes are just wired different than others.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2015, 05:02:56 AM »
Best player in baseball.  On course to be one of the best ever...

If the writers knew what they were doing, he'd be a three time MVP in his first three years, with a possible fourth.
Over Cabrera's triple crown in 2012? No way.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2015, 05:08:38 AM »
And you don't think he gets tested more than almost everyone else at this point? Sorry, some rare athletes are just wired different than others.

You know better than this, come on Coach.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2015, 01:25:26 PM »
Over Cabrera's triple crown in 2012? No way.

Gotta agree. Dig Trout, but a triple crown in my lifetime HAS to get its due.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2015, 01:26:37 PM »
a lot of guys still beat tests regularly.

Who, and how do we know? Actually interested in this, as I'd hoped it'd been cleaned up.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2015, 01:59:23 PM »
Lance Armstrong never tested positive.

Although I guess to be completely accurate I should say a positive test of Lance's was never public knowledge until after he retired.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2015, 02:02:20 PM »
Give that guy a hall of fame jacket already, of course he will not be a first ballet inductee , nobody ever is

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2015, 02:07:59 PM »
Gotta agree. Dig Trout, but a triple crown in my lifetime HAS to get its due.

Over Cabrera's triple crown in 2012? No way.

Yes, over the triple crown.  Just because something is extremely rare always translate equally into value.

Batting average / rbi are pretty flawed metrics, where trout led in more valuable categories.

Plus, Trout was elite defensively and as a baserunner.  Cabrerra was a butcher in the field and can't run.

Overall trout was better.
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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2015, 02:17:21 PM »
Yes, over the triple crown.  Just because something is extremely rare always translate equally into value.

Batting average / rbi are pretty flawed metrics, where trout led in more valuable categories.

Plus, Trout was elite defensively and as a baserunner.  Cabrerra was a butcher in the field and can't run.

Overall trout was better.

But is that their standard or yours? I wouldn't argue, because I have zero idea how they define value, or if they really even mean it, as opposed to just "best."

For that matter, no idea what criteria they use for the Hall, either, totally clueless.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2015, 02:19:09 PM »
Sickening.

One of the few sport clips posted here that has ever actually delivered.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PM »
Wouldn't argue, because I have zero idea how they define value, or if they really even mean it. As opposed to just "best."

Or, for that matter, what criteria they use for the Hall. Totally clueless.

Well, for the Hall, there's a lot that goes in, but it's mostly writer / veteran's committee subjectivity.  It can also transcend stats, like in the case of Phil Rizzuto, or Jim Rice being forced in.

For MVP, defining "value" has always been a bit vague....Some view it as the "most valuable to their team" (which is subjective in it's own right), some look at it as "best player", some say "if player X was not on the team....they'd stink)....stuff like that.  I generally don't like awards that are influenced by what team a player plays on....sometimes you have outstanding players who are on shitty teams.  Not their fault.

Personally, I think MVP should be the best overall player in the league.  I would use a combo of regular stats, advanced metrics and the eye test.
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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2015, 02:29:10 PM »
Well, for the Hall, there's a lot that goes in, but it's mostly writer / veteran's committee subjectivity.  It can also transcend stats, like in the case of Phil Rizzuto, or Jim Rice being forced in.

For MVP, defining "value" has always been a bit vague....Some view it as the "most valuable to their team" (which is subjective in it's own right), some look at it as "best player", some say "if player X was not on the team....they'd stink)....stuff like that.  I generally don't like awards that are influenced by what team a player plays on....sometimes you have outstanding players who are on shitty teams.  Not their fault.

Personally, I think MVP should be the best overall player in the league.  I would use a combo of regular stats, advanced metrics and the eye test.

As for Hall, your take on Rose and the Juice Era: Who gets in and when?

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2015, 02:35:03 PM »
As for Hall, your take on Rose and the Juice Era: Who gets in and when?

My take: All should get in.

Whether MLB likes it or not, those guys are part of the league's history, whether it be good or bad.

Having the all time hits leader, HR leader, and Cy Young leader all out is silly to me.  Baseball was implicit in the steroid era and needs to accept the inflated numbers as part of their history.   So many were using that it's impossible to quantify who did what or the effect it had.  For a guy like Bonds, others were using steroids too, but nobody came close to the production / #'s he had.

Who is to say 80% of his HRs weren't hit off guys who were using....how many guys did Clemens strike out who were using?  Plenty of guys used an still stunk.......get over it MLB.
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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2015, 02:37:37 PM »
I cracked one off so hard Barry Bond's hat size grew another inch.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2015, 03:44:34 PM »
P.E.D.

With the war on the white man in full effect, Trout has to be extra careful when it comes to getting tested. Make sure his fast acting agents are what they are suppose to be. One fuck up and he's toast.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2015, 10:31:39 PM »
My take: All should get in.

Whether MLB likes it or not, those guys are part of the league's history, whether it be good or bad.

Having the all time hits leader, HR leader, and Cy Young leader all out is silly to me.  Baseball was implicit in the steroid era and needs to accept the inflated numbers as part of their history.   So many were using that it's impossible to quantify who did what or the effect it had.  For a guy like Bonds, others were using steroids too, but nobody came close to the production / #'s he had.

Who is to say 80% of his HRs weren't hit off guys who were using....how many guys did Clemens strike out who were using?  Plenty of guys used an still stunk.......get over it MLB.

Fair points. You think Rose gets in before he dies?

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2015, 01:42:01 AM »
Fair points. You think Rose gets in before he dies?

If Rose goes in does that give Shoeless Joe Jackson a consideration as well?

Throwing the World Series...I don't know if he'll ever recover from that one.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2015, 01:50:14 AM »
If Rose goes in does that give Shoeless Joe Jackson a consideration as well?

Throwing the World Series...I don't know if he'll ever recover from that one.

Doubt it, very different cases. And accomplishments alone, Pete's a shoo-in.

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Re: One of the greatest robberies in sports
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2015, 11:04:45 AM »
jeter 1st ballot probably 96% vote in...