Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate

[Parker]

So, what do you all think? Does it help or hurt women? Since many on here may practice "body shaming", should said women also be shamed for being "promiscuous"? 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/living/amber-rose-slutwalk-feat/index.html

[Papper]

If they dress like sluts I view them more as sluts

It does not have the opposite effect, which shouldn't be too hard to grasp even for a dumb slut

[Parker]

If they dress like sluts I view them more as sluts

It does not have the opposite effect, which shouldn't be too hard to grasp even for a dumb slut

The argument is that it's their body, so that they can dress how they want. And be free of judgment or shame. Yet wear XYZ to function to call attention to themselves. And when they ar judged...hands go up.
Now, Amber has said that she was first slut shamed at 14. I believe she started stripping around 15 or so (IIRC). Now, this may have something to do with how she grew up.

Odd, how we all want to do what we want, and be free of judgment (be that any act, man or woman), yet we don't want the consequences of our actions, unless the consequences are positive feedback (Phil Heath as an example).

[Hulkotron]

This idea of "judging" and it being a globally bad/demeaning/unfair thing seems to be unique to the "female" psyche.

Call a spade a spade, if it looks like a duck/quacks like a duck etc.

[Papper]

The argument is that it's their body, so that they can dress how they want. And be free of judgment or shame. Yet wear XYZ to function to call attention to themselves. And when they ar judged...hands go up.
Now, Amber has said that she was first slut shamed at 14. I believe she started stripping around 15 or so (IIRC). Now, this may have something to do with how she grew up.

Odd, how we all want to do what we want, and be free of judgment (be that any act, man or woman), yet we don't want the consequences of our actions, unless the consequences are positive feedback (Phil Heath as an example).

Seriously, I think it's the wrong way to go about it

As soon as you stop viewing yourself as a victim you care less about people judging you. This is just portraying women as a victim group - again

[phreak]

They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

[BigCyp]

They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

True man, people want laws passed that are based on pure ideology.

[Papper]

Shes just a classic attention whore

[phreak]

Shes just a classic attention whore

I'd put a wig on it and pump away for a few minutes. With prior written and notarised consent of course.

[Azure]

Hoes are gonna get hoe treatment and of course some idiot will try to wife them because they are willing to follow them everywhere. These women bring nothing to table except pretty faces, great bodies, and banging sex.

Then the men get tired of them and are mad when they lose money on the deal

Amber Rose is an idiot. Being a hoe is not something you want to promote. Old hoes in their 60's and 70's are a sad bunch. Women need to work on developing themselves all around. Besides that women who actually are sexually liberated don't care what others think and do whatever they want. They aren't hoes. Hoes have nothing else going on except being sex objects

[phreak]

Hoes are gonna get hoe treatment and of course some idiot will try to wife them because they are willing to follow them everywhere. These women bring nothing to table except pretty faces, great bodies, and banging sex.

Then the men get tired of them and are mad when they lose money on the deal

Amber Rose is an idiot. Being a hoe is not something you want to promote. Old hoes in their 60's and 70's are a sad bunch. Women need to work on developing themselves all around. Besides that women who actually are sexually liberated don't care what others think and do whatever they want. They aren't hoes. Hoes have nothing else going on except being sex objects

Undermining your entire argument in one sentence...

[Azure]

Undermining your entire argument in one sentence...

LOL!!

But that gets old after a while and it's on to the next hoe.  Dude the stuff I used to hear about from pro athletes was just mind boggling. After a while they just wanted someone who wanted to be there for them and then these girls would lie and make them think they were really down and then 2 or 3 years later and meal tickets aka kids later...it was over

[andreisdaman]

At the risk of sounding professorial, I think we men have got to accept two things:

That this is a patriarchal society and that men created rules whereby we could do whatever we wanted and women could not.  Women have the right to have sex with as many guys as they can handle......we men put social rules in place to control women and to control their bodies and sexuality........women are starting to kick our asses in the workplace and in academia and they no longer want to be bound by these rules.....

second of all, women have ALWAYS been promiscuous....its just that they are so much better than us at hiding it.....just watch the Maury show ..we men are pretty much open about what we do

[Irongrip400]

They can't have their cake and eat it too. They only want to be noticed by whoever they find attractive and want to talk too, yet when you dress like this, you are open to judgement of everyone within viewing range. If you wear shot like that, prepare to take the good with the bad. That said, anyone who rapes a woman because of how she's dressed should be liquidated.

[andreisdaman]

They can't have their cake and eat it too. They only want to be noticed by whoever they find attractive and want to talk too, yet when you dress like this, you are open to judgement of everyone within viewing range. If you wear shot like that, prepare to take the good with the bad. That said, anyone who rapes a woman because of how she's dressed should be liquidated.

I agree with everything said here

[Azure]

They can't have their cake and eat it too. They only want to be noticed by whoever they find attractive and want to talk too, yet when you dress like this, you are open to judgement of everyone within viewing range. If you wear shot like that, prepare to take the good with the bad. That said, anyone who rapes a woman because of how she's dressed should be liquidated.

I am a woman and I approve this message

[f450]

At the risk of sounding professorial, I think we men have got to accept two things:

That this is a patriarchal society and that men created rules whereby we could do whatever we wanted and women could not.  Women have the right to have sex with as many guys as they can handle......we men put social rules in place to control women and to control their bodies and sexuality........women are starting to kick our asses in the workplace and in academia and they no longer want to be bound by these rules.....

second of all, women have ALWAYS been promiscuous....its just that they are so much better than us at hiding it.....just watch the Maury show ..we men are pretty much open about what we do

WOW. incredible how you get so much wrong in a few short sentences. First, society has always been set up to protect women especially from themselves... There has never been a time when men did whatever they wanted and women could not. Only the Elite ( and that included women) could do whatever they wanted . The average man was nothing but  a worker drone. The vast majority didnt have a say in how society was run..couldnt vote except they had land etc...

Women are not kicking mens asses in anything.NOTHING. The schools have been redesigned to favor women and turn the boys into pseudo females. Boys are not designed to sit down for hours on end and listen to some woman babble about some topic, Even the way testing is done has been redesigned to favor women precisely because men are just better and harder working. Yes they graduate at a higher rate but with a bunch of shitty degrees and go to do nothing jobs in HR departments and business offices while the men continue to innovate, build and maintain society like we've always done.

Now once you get out into the real world...hell even higher education where those constraints are removed and boys can return to being boys, They destroy the women.. In the subjects and fields that matter ( STEM), not fucking social work and gender studies. If women are kicking mens asses why are the ratios of nobel prize winners in the mathematics and sciences so skewed towards men that women are pretty much invisible?

You've been drinking the kool-aid... they got to you. You need to purge brother. Get that shit out of your system.

you're right about one thing though. Women have always been whores but society (men ) kept them in check because a whorish female is a no good piece of trash and is worthless to the progress of society and civilization. Remove those checks and look what happens... Take a look at the matriarchal community in America which is the African American community. Just a sad state of affairs. Breeding criminal males in record numbers, Fatherless homes, single mothers, poverty etc ... thats what happens when you give women unrestricted freedom. Same shit that would happen if you gave a kid no restrictions. A fucking Disaster.

Look at the feminist controlled European countries and what is happening right now... I could go on and on and on.

Rant over.

On topic Amber Rose is a fine ass hoe. I'd hit it once or twice with no hesitation.

[TheGrinch]

[andreisdaman]

WOW. incredible how you get so much wrong in a few short sentences. First, society has always been set up to protect women especially from themselves... There has never been a time when men did whatever they wanted and women could not. Only the Elite ( and that included women) could do whatever they wanted . The average man was nothing but  a worker drone. The vast majority didnt have a say in how society was run..couldnt vote except they had land etc...

Women are not kicking mens asses in anything.NOTHING. The schools have been redesigned to favor women and turn the boys into pseudo females. Boys are not designed to sit down for hours on end and listen to some woman babble about some topic, Even the way testing is done has been redesigned to favor women precisely because men are just better and harder working. Yes they graduate at a higher rate but with a bunch of shitty degrees and go to do nothing jobs in HR departments and business offices while the men continue to innovate, build and maintain society like we've always done.

Now once you get out into the real world...hell even higher education where those constraints are removed and boys can return to being boys, They destroy the women.. In the subjects and fields that matter ( STEM), not fucking social work and gender studies. If women are kicking mens asses why are the ratios of nobel prize winners in the mathematics and sciences so skewed towards men that women are pretty much invisible?

You've been drinking the kool-aid... they got to you. You need to purge brother. Get that shit out of your system.

you're right about one thing though. Women have always been whores but society (men ) kept them in check because a whorish female is a no good piece of trash and is worthless to the progress of society and civilization. Remove those checks and look what happens... Take a look at the matriarchal community in America which is the African American community. Just a sad state of affairs. Breeding criminal males in record numbers, Fatherless homes, single mothers, poverty etc ... thats what happens when you give women unrestricted freedom. Same shit that would happen if you gave a kid no restrictions. A fucking Disaster.

Look at the feminist controlled European countries and what is happening right now... I could go on and on and on.

Rant over.

On topic Amber Rose is a fine ass hoe. I'd hit it once or twice with no hesitation.

WOW..I don't even know where to begin here....

I disagree that I got anything wrong......we are just looking at two sides of the same coin......so in your opinion..we set up rules to protect women "from themselves"..yet we men kill each other (and women), and have sex with any woman we want when we want, with men and women and thats fine....because we're men.....we set up social barriers to prevent women from being truly free....you know that..all your chauvinist observations not withstanding....and yes my friend, woman ARE beginning to kick our asses in certain areas...they are graduating more female doctors and lawyers and I doubt as you say that those schools of practice were "changed" to suit women.... you are right that boys are becoming pseudo females as you put it but its because we are more involved in child-rearing and housework whicb we should be......but also due to sitting around playing video games all day and working in jobs where we can play with toys and avoid real work like the Apple store

We have more Nobel Prizes due to men traditionally being more into science and math than women and because for a long time we held women back and discriminated against them so that they did not go into science.....at one point it was very hard for women to be aqccepted for Master's Degrees or doctorates due to discrimination...it doesnt make us less of a man to admit that.....but as the years go by you will see more women winning those awards because more and more are entering the field.....thats like saying white guys are better at baseball than black guys because they used to win all the awards and still today win plenty of them....that was due to discrimination not because whites were TRULY better....

you talk about women breeding criminal males as if WOIMEN ARE ABLE TO BREED THESE MEN ON THEIR OWN....a lot of men fathered them...which is my point....men can do that and face no societal guilt-trips

[Necrosis]

In terms of intellect, men are generally more extreme or polarized then woman. This is a fact, look at the bell curve. there are far more avg intelligence woman then men, however, in terms of genius, men outnumber woman significantly, this is why sciences are skewed. We evolved differently, makes sense.

[andreisdaman]

In terms of intellect, men are generally more extreme or polarized then woman. This is a fact, look at the bell curve. there are far more avg intelligence woman then men, however, in terms of genius, men outnumber woman significantly, this is why sciences are skewed. We evolved differently, makes sense.

I'm not an expert of course but maybe genius is correlatd with extreme thinking.....I don't know.....but traditional discrimination does in fact play some role...just for example why there aren't more men in nursing.....social expectations play a part

[_bruce_]

They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

Good to know that there are still people out there with a working brain.

[NelsonMuntz]

If women want to go protest shit they don't like about men, then at least have the balls to go to a country like one of these islamic ones and give them shit.

It's easy to treat N. American and European men like shit and blame us for all the ills and victimizations of women because our society and media is emasculating males through shaming(how fucking ironic) yet if they went to one of these 3rd world Islamic shitholes or even rich ones like Saudi Arabia they would find out very quickly how much they are not as victimized and unfairly treated as they think they are here

[Parker]

Seriously, I think it's the wrong way to go about it

As soon as you stop viewing yourself as a victim you care less about people judging you. This is just portraying women as a victim group - again

Exactly. Many of these women (and people who profess victimhood) want to be Victor and victim all in the same time. You want to be protected and use the system against men, yet you want equality to men. Well, that means that the "protection" ends. Or men get the same "protection". This is somewhat of a backdoor acknowledgment of wanting equality only when you want it. Equality is unconditional.

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They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

Quite true. I agree with you.

[andreisdaman]

If women want to go protest shit they don't like about men, then at least have the balls to go to a country like one of these islamic ones and give them shit.

It's easy to treat N. American and European men like shit and blame us for all the ills and victimizations of women because our society and media is emasculating males through shaming(how fucking ironic) yet if they went to one of these 3rd world Islamic shitholes or even rich ones like Saudi Arabia they would find out very quickly how much they are not as victimized and unfairly treated as they think they are here

I think Millenials and hipsters are emasculating themselves by playing video games all day every day, staring at their phones all day, and working in Apple stores..the things the media shames us on like picking up after ourselves, helping out with the baby, and cleaning up are well deserved