What Dexter Jackson is doing is incredible.

[Wiggs]

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Came from being a bantamweight to winning the Mr. O and still doing it at the highest level. He's really in a category by himself.  He looked really good at the O and was hard as nails. I don't know what to say about him anymore.  Props.

Dexter should have won this year BTW.  Sorry Phil. And if you guys didn't catch it, Dexter said he would beat Phil next year.

[wes]

Living Legend

[Al Doggity]

He's a walking advertisement for moderation in an era of self-destructive excess.

[SF1900]

2 points:

1) He will not beat Phil next year

2) As much as Dexter is a great bodybuilder, its sad that someone who is close to 50 years old is the second best in the world

[Wiggs]

SF1900, I wouldn't bet against Dexter.  He smells blood.
It says more for Dexter than it does for the field.  Dexter is that good. 

[wes]

Mr. Consistancy

[Dave D]

SF1900, I wouldn't bet against Dexter.  He smells blood.
It says more for Dexter than it does for the field.  Dexter is that good. 

Wiggs Dexter is great but he won't beat Phil and it's not because he can't it's because  the judges won't allow it. It's still surprising that he upset Jay.

Dex, and this is no insult, is consistent every year, much like Shawn Ray was. Dexter won't come in heavier or bigger, size for the sake of size, but he will be the best conditioned competitor on stage, every year.  

It has been documented that the reigning champ can show up with one arm bloated and out of shape and he will leave with the title. Nothing will change.

[SF1900]

SF1900, I wouldn't bet against Dexter.  He smells blood.
It says more for Dexter than it does for the field.  Dexter is that good.  

Wiggs, I agree with what Dave says. I don't think the judges will let Dexter beat Phil, even if he is better.

Phil is much younger and that is what the judges are looking for. Phil's whole look, the baller attitude, the haters, is what draws in the teenagers and young crowd. That equals money.

The IFBB like most organizations, are scandalous.

If it was my choice, I would 100% take Dexter over Phil. Any day of the week. I just don't think the judges will look at it like that.

To a certain extent, it does say more for Dexter than for the field. However, its quite sad that not ONE youngster is 2nd best in the world. I mean, you would think at Dex's age, he'd be placing maybe 5th to 8th. And good for him that he is going strong, but it does indicate that the younger guys cannot keep up with him. Good for Dexter, pathetic for the younger generation of bodybuilders.

[Azure]

Dexter said a few weeks before that he could beat Phil. He seemed very confident and he also said that Phil was going to keep coming in worse and worse because he isn't changing anything. Dexter has been right except for beating him but even then I think it was close

 After prejudging my folks had him and Rhoden up top and Saturday people swore Dexter was murdering Phil on stage. Have to say that I was shocked that so many thought Dexter had it won. The boos and walking out was really surprising to me because I kinda felt like Phil looks better tonight so he will win

I don't think it's going to be Dexter that beats phil next year if he competes.

[Azure]

Wiggs, I agree with what Dave says. I don't think the judges will let Dexter beat Phil, even if he is better.

Phil is much younger and that is what the judges are looking for. Phil's whole look, the baller attitude, the haters, is what draws in the teenagers and young crowd. That equals money.

The IFBB like most organizations, are scandalous.

If it was my choice, I would 100% take Dexter over Phil. Any day of the week. I just don't think the judges will look at it like that.

To a certain extent, it does say more for Dexter than for the field. However, on the other hand, its quite sad that not ONE youngster is 2nd best in the world. I mean, you would think at Dex's age, he'd be playing maybe 5th to 8th. And good for him that he is going strong, but it does indicate that the younger guys cannot keep up with him. Good for Dexter, pathetic for the younger generation of bodybuilders.

I disagree. From a marketing standpoint Phil isn't the greatest for the ifbb . He's insulted Arnold, his social media antics are beyond unprofessional, and He's not very likeable.

There's also some good young guys. They just won't let them move up in the ranks because they refuse to let the old guard like branch go. A lot of those guys don't look that bad. They just keep rewarding the ones that do.

[SF1900]

I disagree. From a marketing standpoint Phil isn't the greatest for the ifbb . He's insulted Arnold, his social media antics are beyond unprofessional, and He's not very likeable.

There's also some good young guys. They just won't let them move up in the ranks because they refuse to let the old guard like branch go. A lot of those guys don't look that bad. They just keep rewarding the ones that do.

You fail to consider that the younger generation loves the whole "baller attitude" and "hater" comments by Phil. Just look at his facebook. He may be disliked, but he probably has more followers than people who dislike him. He very much appeals to the younger generation which is similar to him, i.e., egotistical, self-centered, shutting down the haters, taking selfies in the gym, etc.

[The True Adonis]

That fucking GH Watutsi nose has grown to epic proportions.

[Azure]

You fail to consider that the younger generation loves the whole "baller attitude" and "hater" comments by Phil. Just look at his facebook. He may be disliked, but he probably has more followers than people who dislike him. He very much appeals to the younger generation which is similar to him, i.e., egotistical, self-centered, shutting down the haters, taking selfies in the gym, etc.

I think Those young guys are the ones he is arguing with and I also think his act is wearing thin for people. I don't think Phil is invincible. The way the audience reacted at the Olympia let me know that his days are numbered. He's not so far ahead of people that it would be inconceivable that he would lose.

[Dave D]

I think Those young guys are the ones he is arguing with and I also think his act is wearing thin for people. I don't think Phil is invincible. The way the audience reacted at the Olympia let me know that his days are numbered. He's not so far ahead of people that it would be inconceivable that he would lose.

I honestly don't think the ifbb cares what the fans say. Its not a case of whos most popular in the crowds eyes, or who is the best built on stage. Dorian was booed, he competed until he retired. Ronnie was booed as was Jay, both these guys stayed past their welcome  but their eventual successor was lying in the wings. 

If this were to be the same for Phil who's his successor; Kai, Dexter, Wolf,Branch, Kulco, Ramy?  The title will go to the one who can carry the torch (I'm thinking Kulco will figure it out at some point, he's the ifbb prototype with a prestigious competitive history).

The only way anything changes is when the ifbb is feeling financial pressure.

[SF1900]

I think Those young guys are the ones he is arguing with and I also think his act is wearing thin for people. I don't think Phil is invincible. The way the audience reacted at the Olympia let me know that his days are numbered. He's not so far ahead of people that it would be inconceivable that he would lose.

Well, as I said, he is disliked by many, including young people. Despite this, he still has a  huge following.

As for peoples reactions during the Mr. O, everyone boos when the guy they want to win doesn't win. So, you really can't judge by that. Hell, they also get mad when Branch places 6. I am sure some people wanted him higher in the placings.

[The Ugly]

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Came from being a bantamweight to winning the Mr. O and still doing it at the highest level. He's really in a category by himself.  He looked really good at the O and was hard as nails. I don't know what to say about him anymore.  Props.

I agree with this, hard not to. So why do you suppose he was so disliked on here as Mr. O? At the time, some even said worst ever, never understood why.

[calfzilla]

I agree with this, hard not to. So why do you suppose he was so disliked on here as Mr. O? At the time, some even said worst ever, never understood why.

I think maybe because he was going against two quality mass monsters in Ronnie and Jay. The guys he is up against today are mostly chumps.

[The Ugly]

Wiggs Dexter is great but he won't beat Phil and it's not because he can't it's because  the judges won't allow it. It's still surprising that he upset Jay.

Dex, and this is no insult, is consistent every year, much like Shawn Ray was. Dexter won't come in heavier or bigger, size for the sake of size, but he will be the best conditioned competitor on stage, every year.  

It has been documented that the reigning champ can show up with one arm bloated and out of shape and he will leave with the title. Nothing will change.

But isn't this pretty much what happened when he dethroned Jay? Why couldn't he do it again with Phil, wrong sponsors or whatever?

[Azure]

Well, as I said, he is disliked by many, including young people. Despite this, he still has a  huge following.

As for peoples reactions during the Mr. O, everyone boos when the guy they want to win doesn't win. So, you really can't judge by that. Hell, they also get mad when Branch places 6. I am sure some people wanted him higher in the placings.

I meant their reaction let me know that people don't think Phil is untouchable which is how I understand it was before. I only watched last year because I wanted To see what would happen after that press conference. I just couldn't believe so many thought Dexter had it won because Phil looked better Saturday and I didn't think he was going to lose it.

As far as his successors it seemed like the buzz was around Big Ramy  bonac and mccarver

I will be interested to see who competes at the Arnold.

[SF1900]

I meant their reaction let me know that people don't think Phil is untouchable which is how I understand it was before. I only watched last year because I wanted To see what would happen after that press conference. I just couldn't believe so many thought Dexter had it won because Phil looked better Saturday and I didn't think he was going to lose it.

As far as his successors it seemed like the buzz was around Big Ramy  bonac and mccarver

I will be interested to see who competes at the Arnold.

Well, I never said that people dont think phil is untouchable. Sure, many people do, but all that matters is where the IFBB wants him to place. He has enough crowd following, as well as being a college graduate, well spoken during interviews, and squeaky clean (unlike Kai). In the end, this is enough in the IFBB eyes to get another Sandow, UNLESS someone else can TOTALLY blow him out of the water.

[Dave D]

But isn't this pretty much what happened when he dethroned Jay? Why couldn't he do it again with Phil, wrong sponsors or whatever?

Theoretically it could happen but you have to look at Dexter's upset of Jay as an anomaly, much like Gunter beating Ronnie at the GNC. Both times I thought that a new era of bodybuilding judging was upon us, but it wasnt.

Much like Dexter, the judges have been consistently consistent with their voting tendencies.

I'm not saying Dexter wasnt worthy of beating Jay, he was, but why did he only have one go round at the top? Was Jay that much better the next year or was Dexter that much worse, was Jay so off (comparatively to his "best") the year he lost? It would appear that was a one time event because there was no rhyme or reason to it  (meaning Jays improvement from year to year wasn't mind blowing enough to beat the always consistent Dexter).

Dexter should have won this year, it's unlikely he will show up with a much different physique next year, so Phil would have to be much worse than he was this year, his worst showing to date, in order to lose.

[Parker]

Dexter said a few weeks before that he could beat Phil. He seemed very confident and he also said that Phil was going to keep coming in worse and worse because he isn't changing anything. Dexter has been right except for beating him but even then I think it was close

 After prejudging my folks had him and Rhoden up top and Saturday people swore Dexter was murdering Phil on stage. Have to say that I was shocked that so many thought Dexter had it won. The boos and walking out was really surprising to me because I kinda felt like Phil looks better tonight so he will win

I don't think it's going to be Dexter that beats phil next year if he competes.

Phil needs to change his attitude, take some points from Kai, as much as doesn't want to swallow the grapefruit juice, Kai has something good to offer. His calmness, and thoughtful persona brings people in, he is inclusive and doesn't push people away. Phil needs that right now. But, he must be genuine about it. Transition into what he used to be. Anybody remember the Kai Greene and Phil Heath guest posing where they did the whole "shoot em up" thing? Phil needs that back.
As far as physique, Phil needs to train chest more. Put in some of that old school barbell work, and market it as he is being more hardcore---for the haters. Get some thicker pecs going to offset the ab blurring that is going on. And find out why that is as well.

[The Ugly]

Theoretically it could happen but you have to look at Dexter's upset of Jay as an anomaly, much like Gunter beating Ronnie at the GNC. Both times I thought that a new era of bodybuilding judging was upon us, but it wasnt.

Much like Dexter, the judges have been consistently consistent with their voting tendencies.

I'm not saying Dexter wasnt worthy of beating Jay, he was, but why did he only have one go round at the top? Was Jay that much better the next year or was Dexter that much worse, was Jay so off (comparatively to his "best") the year he lost? It would appear that was a one time event because there was no rhyme or reason to it  (meaning Jays improvement from year to year wasn't mind blowing enough to beat the always consistent Dexter).

Dexter should have won this year, it's unlikely he will show up with a much different physique next year, so Phil would have to be much worse than he was this year, his worst showing to date, in order to lose.

At the time I thought they were making a statement and Dex would usher in a trend toward the more classically aesthetic physique. But Jay did, in fact, come in much better the following year ('09 was his peak year to many, though some of us still say '01). Then with Branch and Kai placing so high later, though, and now rewarding a much bloofier Phil, who knows anymore.

It would be an opportune time again is all I'm saying.

[Wiggs]

Who is better overall in their prime.  Dexter or Phil?
Better career?

[Azure]

Phil needs to change his attitude, take some points from Kai, as much as doesn't want to swallow the grapefruit juice, Kai has something good to offer. His calmness, and thoughtful persona brings people in, he is inclusive and doesn't push people away. Phil needs that right now. But, he must be genuine about it. Transition into what he used to be. Anybody remember the Kai Greene and Phil Heath guest posing where they did the whole "shoot em up" thing? Phil needs that back.
As far as physique, Phil needs to train chest more. Put in some of that old school barbell work, and market it as he is being more hardcore---for the haters. Get some thicker pecs going to offset the ab blurring that is going on. And find out why that is as well.

Yes I agree. He needs a complete image overhaul And a PR team.  

As I said I think it's craziness that a man who literally had sex with a piece of fruit on camera had more fans and is more popular than the current Mr O. I know it's all competitive and stuff but again it was also crazy that none of the guys were really was at his victory party...I think he's under a lot of stress and there's a lot going on behind the scenes.

He and Jays training are less than inspiring. Boring, barely have any range of motion. At least Phil doesn't have sloppy form and techniquw.

He should also not be so poofy.