MK677 oral GH releaser

[Jizmo]

Any experiences with this stuff? MK677 / ibutamoren
pep sites usually sell it as SARM but its an oral GHRH/GHRP mixture kinda thing with a 24 hour half life basically.

the stuff has been all the rave on promuscle for quite a while, but since basically every second guy over there is a rep for some company and also on tons of other shit you cant really trust some posts.
i mean when youre on 3g of AAS, GH and slin your gains most likely dont come from a fucking low dose peptide you just added into your stack even though they like to make it sound that way lol

effective dosage for ibutamoren is 10-50mg (however even 10mg already seems to give about 80% of the benefits as shown in studies)
it basically increases natural GH pulsation... increases baseline levels, duration of peaks and peak highs... seems to be kinda similar to CJC DAC (i have experience with that)...

studies show an increase of both GH and IGF by 50-100% (dose dependant, however efficiency levels off quickly the higher you dose)
 no desensitization over time either.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9238854
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9467534
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1359/jbmr.1999.14.7.1182/full

ill see if i can get my hands on it and hit it for a couple weeks, if people are interested ill log it here
might be a good addition for some moderate IGF and GH boost (people claim it equals 4iu GH but ive heard these claims for GHRP/GHRH stack too and in reality it just doesnt hold truth). i will only use 10mg too because 50mg is obviously 5x as expensive but only 1.5x as effective and also causes increases in fasting glucose/insulin (=insulin resistance), which 10mg doesnt.

i dont expect huge results, however if it is anything remotely close to CJC DAC (for a fraction of the price) AND if theres synergy with AAS/slin (which i expect) then it might be a worthy addition.

[dexitrim]

Any experiences with this stuff? MK677 / ibutamoren
pep sites usually sell it as SARM but its an oral GHRH/GHRP mixture kinda thing with a 24 hour half life basically.

the stuff has been all the rave on promuscle for quite a while, but since basically every second guy over there is a rep for some company and also on tons of other shit you cant really trust some posts.
i mean when youre on 3g of AAS, GH and slin your gains most likely dont come from a fucking low dose peptide you just added into your stack even though they like to make it sound that way lol

effective dosage for ibutamoren is 10-50mg (however even 10mg already seems to give about 80% of the benefits as shown in studies)
it basically increases natural GH pulsation... increases baseline levels, duration of peaks and peak highs... seems to be kinda similar to CJC DAC (i have experience with that)...

studies show an increase of both GH and IGF by 50-100% (dose dependant, however efficiency levels off quickly the higher you dose)
 no desensitization over time either.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9238854
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9467534
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1359/jbmr.1999.14.7.1182/full

ill see if i can get my hands on it and hit it for a couple weeks, if people are interested ill log it here
might be a good addition for some moderate IGF and GH boost (people claim it equals 4iu GH but ive heard these claims for GHRP/GHRH stack too and in reality it just doesnt hold truth). i will only use 10mg too because 50mg is obviously 5x as expensive but only 1.5x as effective and also causes increases in fasting glucose/insulin (=insulin resistance), which 10mg doesnt.

i dont expect huge results, however if it is anything remotely close to CJC DAC (for a fraction of the price) AND if theres synergy with AAS/slin (which i expect) then it might be a worthy addition.

Here's my before and after with MK-677.

Before: 3/26/2015

IFG-1 = 104 ng/ml (67-205 reference range)
GH = 1.4 ng/ml (0-10 reference range)

After:  7/16/2015

IFG-1 = 153 ng/ml (67-205 reference range)
GH = 5.3 ng/ml (0-10 reference range)

This was at about 25mg/day before bed.   I'm 48yo, so that may account for the less than dramatic numbers.   However, I've read some bros getting into the 2-300 range, but I'm sure they're much younger than me.   I have yet to run GH or peps, so I had nothing to compare it to other than what others report side effect wise when running GH.   I ran it for about 4 months.   I got most of the sides others report when running MK-677:  initial bloat, weight gain and lethargy for about 6 weeks, numb limbs, deep sleep, vivid dreams, big appetite, crazy nail growth, and great pumps.   I don't know if I got any substantial fat loss off of it, as the water I held would have blurred any noticeable changes.   For $50.00/month, I could run this year round, but it felt like more of a novelty, and I'm not sure if there's any long term negative side effects.   You should probably run it for at least 2 months for the best assessment, as it will probably take at least 4 weeks before you start dumping the water retention.   

[tatoo]

honestly fellas, do these peptides and such really work?? Ive never even thought about trying one. are they even worth it??  I figured they were all bs from day one, lol, so I also never bothered to do any research. but I always see threads claiming results, which most likely seem legit. If you can afford real gh, are these peps even necessary tho??  im talking the growth hormone related type peps.

[Jizmo]

thanks for posting the results dexitrim
this is in line with what i expected, funny thing is it seems to elevate GH numbers constantly 24/7. most people seem to get blood test come pretty high on GH numbers, however igf doesnt change that much (however a 50% increase could still give nice results when coupled with tren/aas and slin)...

@tatoo i ran a lot of the GHRP/GHRH combo about 2 years ago, spend much more than i should have on that and the results were not worth the cost.

however i have to say that if CJC with DAC was cheaper here i would run that again. at 4mg a week the results were definintely impressive, however that makes a good 200 bucks a month and for that price you could run GH at a low dose already.

if i was in the US where you can run 5-10mg DAC for the same cash id run it again

for me the bang/buck winner are AAS and slin, but im always looking into stuff that increases IGF/GH levels, to attack from the third and missing angle too (aas, gh, slin)

[heenok]

I have used it twice, each time 8 weeks at 25mg and 30mg ED at night.
First thing i see from it is increased hunger and water retention. Both are pretty bad i have to say.
Those effects disapear quite fast after maybe two/three weeks. It seems like the body gets used to it pretty quick. I think the best way to use it is something like 5 days a week but this is my personnal broscience.

Physique wise only thing i saw is increased fullness from the water. I hardly see how anyone can lose fat on this considering how hungry it makes you. Sleep is better too but nothing that a good ZMA supplement cant do...

Btw my second run was with huperzine A and i felt it made the MK677 more effective.

[WOOO]

I have used it twice, each time 8 weeks at 25mg and 30mg ED at night.
First thing i see from it is increased hunger and water retention. Both are pretty bad i have to say.
Those effects disapear quite fast after maybe two/three weeks. It seems like the body gets used to it pretty quick. I think the best way to use it is something like 5 days a week but this is my personnal broscience.

Physique wise only thing i saw is increased fullness from the water. I hardly see how anyone can lose fat on this considering how hungry it makes you. Sleep is better too but nothing that a good ZMA supplement cant do...

Btw my second run was with huperzine A and i felt it made the MK677 more effective.

Zma? Seriously? It's an admitted fake product that was used to hide the sales of designer steroids.

[Davidtheman100]

Great results have been recorded as far as bulking....VERY UNDERWHELMING FATLOSS....Now i might need to say this again because people figure with the higher GH levels and higher IGF output that they will experience more fat loss...Not true...Very good to fill out the forearms and weak genetic points due to how it helps stimulate the tougher fascia's and gets your hormones to a point where you can go past your genetic weak points...Will hold some water and gives great pumps and it's different than a tren pump or a test pump....It's just different...It's not like the feeling the pump of inside the muscle with tren...Or the feeling of a great pump and more blood volume due to higher levels of test...It's different....It's also not faked as much as people would think...It's readily available from MANY sources...

[Jizmo]

yes, bulking is my intended purpose... id rather eat a couple more 100 calories and gain additional muscle and less fat as opposed to just losing a few more grams of fat by using GH / peps on a cut. simply not worth the price. i also use lower dosages of AAS when im cutting because of that (until i drop down to really low bodyfat levels or use a ton of t3)

imo GH is a waste of time when youre cutting... unless getting down to REALLY low levels (contest prep). then it might be worth it. but rather for the cosmetic effects...
if you ask me - the miniscule difference it makes in holding more muscle or losing more fat can be achieved with AAS too.

in my opinion the main use of GH is not fat LOSS.
its effective at preventing fat GAIN though

i also think that the effect of GH on actual fat loss is pretty independent of calories. it liberates bodyfat to be used as FFAs in the blood whenever you use it. however these FFAs have to be burned or youll just store them again.
 so using it fasted would be a must to reap direct fat loss benefits, no matter if youre cutting or bulking...

[Davidtheman100]

yes, bulking is my intended purpose... id rather eat a couple more 100 calories and gain additional muscle and less fat as opposed to just losing a few more grams of fat by using GH / peps on a cut. simply not worth the price. i also use lower dosages of AAS when im cutting because of that (until i drop down to really low bodyfat levels or use a ton of t3)

imo GH is a waste of time when youre cutting... unless getting down to REALLY low levels (contest prep). then it might be worth it. but rather for the cosmetic effects...
if you ask me - the miniscule difference it makes in holding more muscle or losing more fat can be achieved with AAS too.

in my opinion the main use of GH is not fat LOSS.
its effective at preventing fat GAIN though

i also think that the effect of GH on actual fat loss is pretty independent of calories. it liberates bodyfat to be used as FFAs in the blood whenever you use it. however these FFAs have to be burned or youll just store them again.
 so using it fasted would be a must to reap direct fat loss benefits, no matter if youre cutting or bulking...

The thing about GH is that it allows you to get bigger than you would ever be able to do with just AAS because like it said it stimulates the harder fascia to grow...So weak body parts are brought up...As you know, with certain drugs in our cocktail like tren we are able to build some size and mould into a show in a fair caloric deficit...So GH during prep at about 18 weeks out is a great thing...It ensures that when you get it out of your system at let's say 6 weeks that once you dry out you will be showing that new tissue that you've built that you would have never been able to have if you just cut with AAS many weeks out...The prep is the WHOLE PREP...It's important...When i competed everyday from the start of my prep was very important...I liked to do things slower to avoid losing more size...>Everything was bodybuilding from that point on....This is what you have to think about...The AAS and GH allow you to spare muscle and be in a bigger deficit than a natural..But just like a natural you will benefit more if you start prepping later out...

[Jizmo]

im interested in the fascia thing. this is also how SEO is supposed to work, right? (in addition to scarring and collagen formation, but thats another story)

do you think the benefit comes solely from the water retention from the GH and increased pumps which cause the fascia to stretch and loosen?
or does GH have a direct effect on fascia tissue, making it more flexible ? since GH also has effects on collagen synthesis and joint/bone health id assume there should be direct effects on the fascia too?!


theres no doubt that GH gives a certain pop to the delts for example that you basically cant get without it, or you have to be MUCH lower in bodyfat to have the same visual effects that you get from GH... but youll be smaller then.
you can run tons of AAS for example but GH just gives a unique look (every fitness model has it and its not simply because of low BF levels or high androgens)

 i noticed that when i ran peptides, especially cjc dac. started extremely lean and the visual effects were drastic. its a unique look that makes you look much more developed than you actually are... that shrink wrapped skin around the muscle kind of look...
i think this is especially visible in the delts and also biceps, because fascia is probably very tight there. at least i noticed the difference the most in my delts and arms. plus my waist seemed to just get sucked in.

[Davidtheman100]

im interested in the fascia thing. this is also how SEO is supposed to work, right? (in addition to scarring and collagen formation, but thats another story)

do you think the benefit comes solely from the water retention from the GH and increased pumps which cause the fascia to stretch and loosen?
or does GH have a direct effect on fascia tissue, making it more flexible ? since GH also has effects on collagen synthesis and joint/bone health id assume there should be direct effects on the fascia too?!

I'm saying it's able to cause the harder fascias to grow...Like say your arms are a weak point...Don't get that big on AAS..Well now with GH there is cell hyperplasia and now you have more muscle cells that will be stretched by the AAS and shuttled in nutrients by the insulin...This is why they all work well synergistically together...I am using the term fascia too loosely i see lol i couldn't answer that for you...This is why an 18 year old has spider veins on his arms because he has enough natural GH to handle his 1,200 ng/dl of test...It's a look you don't need GH for once you ge ton AAS....yes 1iu isn't much...But it's much more than 0.2iu and very noticeable when you only use AAS and no GH...Much higher ceiling of test before you bloat...this is why 50 year olds with good test levels who lift still have that layer of fat on their stomach...Their natural GH is nada...With higher IGF you can eat pizzas and you will just get more vascular, leaner and muscular...Igf is the single most important thing in bodybuilding...Makes the skin look amazing as well..

[Jizmo]

damn, i just edited my above post, you answered too quickly lol

guess ill do some broscientific research on that. i dont really know that much about fascia per se, except for the fact that its supposed to be one of the most limiting factors regarding muscle growth and also genetic shape

[Davidtheman100]

damn, i just edited my above post, you answered too quickly lol

guess ill do some broscientific research on that. i dont really know that much about fascia per se, except for the fact that its supposed to be one of the most limiting factors regarding muscle growth and also genetic shape

I edited mine too bro lol hold on i'll check yours....Well yes biceps, shoulders you will notice..You will notice much more pump get into the shoulders...When you're natural and a younger guy you can get a LITTLE blood in there...But soon goes away after....With AAS yes it gets better...But with GH it's painful! With high IGF it's painful! It's amazing...Don't forget about the forearms! The back of the forearms will be very pronounced in what it does to the skin, shine of the skin and the veins...I actually prefer this look than the 6% dry look...The volumized 8% look with gh is what i prefer all day that is shrink wrapped

[spiro]

I tried the mk677 for about a week. My eyes started to get that puffy look,double chin,and my waist looked like shit. I said fuck this and stopped. People mistake you for a fat person with all that water retention. Next time I have to be leaner before I start it.

[Jizmo]

I edited mine too bro lol hold on i'll check yours....Well yes biceps, shoulders you will notice..You will notice much more pump get into the shoulders...When you're natural and a younger guy you can get a LITTLE blood in there...But soon goes away after....With AAS yes it gets better...But with GH it's painful! With high IGF it's painful! It's amazing...Don't forget about the forearms! The back of the forearms will be very pronounced in what it does to the skin, shine of the skin and the veins...I actually prefer this look than the 6% dry look...The volumized 8% look with gh is what i prefer all day that is shrink wrapped

yeah... best thing i had ever done was cutting down to completely shredded (i really didnt care about muscle loss at all, only goal was to get shredded)

then i hopped on high doses AAS and peptides (cjc DAC) and blew up lean from scratch...

best i ever looked... and ive been doing it this way ever since. always cut down to very low bodyfat levels until i start looking stringy
then add/increase everything, AAS, slin, calories, workout volume etc

the first 2-3 weeks i always look my best ever, when your muscles just suck up every gram of glycogen and water and before the water starts going into the "bad" places too... with higher GH levels (cjc dac) this effect was even much more pronounced and this condition also lasted longer so im hoping MK677 can kinda replicate that.

I tried the mk677 for about a week. My eyes started to get that puffy look,double chin,and my waist looked like shit. I said fuck this and stopped. People mistake you for a fat person with all that water retention. Next time I have to be leaner before I start it.

ill just use 10mg, people claim 25mg and more gives them insane appetite and bloat... dont need more appetite, its already insane as it is on tren.

im not too worried about bloat, however im prone to get moonfaced on high test (independent of AI dosage).
i just stay lean and keep bulk blasts at <12 weeks so that this shit cant catch up too much, however after a couple weeks its inevitable

maybe slightly higher GH levels will actually keep test bloat down somewhat.

[Disco187]

Moonface keeps me holding back from many things. (fuckin moonface i hate it)[

[Jizmo]

my last GF wouldnt stop crying about my "hamster face" whenever i was bulking
that was actually one of the main reasons we broke up lol (and because [insert random "roids are bad mhkay" scaremongering here])


i personally dont give a fuck
my face looks 10x more handsome when im cutting BUT i still feel much more comfortable when im bulking and pumped to fuck and back all day.

who the fuck cares if my face looks like im 30% bodyfat as long as my body doesnst lol
makes a nice surprise when you first get naked infront of a chick

whatever moonface...
fking females care so much about shit
she couldve just put a paperbag on my head when we fucked idgaf

[Davidtheman100]

my last GF wouldnt stop crying about my "hamster face" whenever i was bulking
that was actually one of the main reasons we broke up lol (and because [insert random "roids are bad mhkay" scaremongering here])


i personally dont give a fuck
my face looks 10x more handsome when im cutting BUT i still feel much more comfortable when im bulking and pumped to fuck and back all day.

who the fuck cares if my face looks like im 30% bodyfat as long as my body doesnst lol
makes a nice surprise when you first get naked infront of a chick

whatever moonface...
fking females care so much about shit
she couldve just put a paperbag on my head when we fucked idgaf

maybe you should have beaten her more

[simon]

I like this stuff, got very strong which seems weird.  Along with 160mg of cypionate as HRT I am as strong as if I was full cycle.  As stated lots of water retention, serious pumps, lethargy, increased appetite.  I have previously tried the various peptides that did not do jack shit.  This stuff is different.  Would be tough to diet on with the appetite so i have no opinion on fat loss as I'm eating a surplus of calories.

[spiro]

my last GF wouldnt stop crying about my "hamster face" whenever i was bulking
that was actually one of the main reasons we broke up lol (and because [insert random "roids are bad mhkay" scaremongering here])


i personally dont give a fuck
my face looks 10x more handsome when im cutting BUT i still feel much more comfortable when im bulking and pumped to fuck and back all day.

who the fuck cares if my face looks like im 30% bodyfat as long as my body doesnst lol
makes a nice surprise when you first get naked infront of a chick

whatever moonface...
fking females care so much about shit
she couldve just put a paperbag on my head when we fucked idgaf

You serious man she gave you shit about your face. What did she use to say to you?

When I first started I always did test only I would be bloated in the face so bad. God I see pics I looked like shit.

[WOOO]

Bulking beard. The lumberjack look of peace.

[Jizmo]

You serious man she gave you shit about your face. What did she use to say to you?

When I first started I always did test only I would be bloated in the face so bad. God I see pics I looked like shit.

she said my face and body blow up so much and she doesnt find that attractive and used to joke about my hamster cheeks
when i first met her i was actually bulking hard and heavier than i had ever been before lol so i didnt understand shit
cut down 40lbs easily and bulked that on again 2 or 3 times
 
she also claimed she felt like she was talking to a wall not because of lacking intellect, but because "im built like one" lol.


she weighted less than half of me so in reality she was probably just scared that i would crush her during sex
or drown her. tren sweats

[Aflo]

Hey jizmo how did u run the cjc dac? Also did it give u the shits post injection?

[Jizmo]

Hey jizmo how did u run the cjc dac? Also did it give u the shits post injection?

read up on CJC DAC... youre talking about GHRH/GHRP combo... cjc dac is much differnet. long half life

[pissant]

have you tried it yet? I wonder if this shit works