"Were not coming for your guns", except when they are...

[OzmO]

No one will get the chance anytime soon.  So what's the point of talking about something that will won't happen as if it will and that we should be afraid of it?

[whork]

No one will get the chance anytime soon.  So what's the point of talking about something that will won't happen as if it will and that we should be afraid of it?

Stop using common sense the kid is afraid, cant you read?

FOX told Tony to be afraid, and like the good republican he is he immediately followed suit.

Now its falls on GB (his surrogate parent) to calm him down.

[240 is Back]

i dont like private sales.   way too easy for a dude to exit prison, pick up $, drive to walmart parking lot, and buy any weapon he wants.  completely defeats the backgrounc check system.

also includes crazy people and those who beat their wives.  no background check on pvt sales = nuts.

[JOHN MATRIX]

California's magazine capacity is 10, so is New York.  Colorado's is 15.   Not sure why you stated "7 rounds"  In which state is it 7 rounds?

What Cumo said, doesn't mean much in this discussion because i am asking what exactly has been set into law.  I am sure we could dig up all sorts of stuff of what people say, but until laws are passed it don't me jack.

What California and other states are "always trying to make" is also moot in this discussion because we are talking about laws that have been passed and there will always be a group of peeps against all guns who will try and always pass stupid laws in most states.  Except prolly Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, etc.  

In my mind, keeping ammo and guns separated when traveling with them is not unreasonable and doesn't support your  "laws that make it so only rich people can have guns" argument.

Regarding your "sole purpose" argument.  This is gun regulation.   Some of it seems ok.  If you have a loaded gun in your house and have children you are an idiot.  It should be illegal.  If you don't have kids and want a loaded gun in your house how are the police going to know if they don't enough probable cause to search your house with a warrant?  This seems like something that doesn't need to get all up in arms about.

It seems like you are buying into right wing propaganda here.  You are off on magazine limits and don't seem to realize that 42 states don't have magazine limits.  

I am pro 2nd amendment.  Always will be.  But i don't see anything too out of line happening.  Maybe i am wrong.  But what i do see is a lot of fear propaganda when it comes to gun control.

it was New York that rammed thru the 7-round limit; it may have been changed back to 10 since then, im not sure. the point of all these things is that it really is a slippery slope when it comes to this; the Left has always and will always try anything and everything to undermine the 2nd. if we give them even an inch, they will always come back for more.

all these thing serve only to harass regular guys like me and make things difficult for law-abiding people and do NOTHING to affect criminals.

and your statement about anyone having guns in the house with kids is also extremely ignorant...there are literally TENS OF MILLIONS of American households with both guns and kids, and in 99.9999% of them nothing bad ever happens. the one time a kid dies cause the parent was an idiot, it makes all the headlines and everyone says 'oh those scary guns!!' ..you know they don't report every day? 'today, in 50 million American households with kids and guns, nothing happened'. they could repeat that headline every day because it is true.
many times more kids die in swimming pools every year, are you gonna say 'anyone with kids who has a swimming pool is an idiot'?  
who is fearmongering now?

[JOHN MATRIX]

i dont like private sales.   way too easy for a dude to exit prison, pick up $, drive to walmart parking lot, and buy any weapon he wants.  completely defeats the backgrounc check system.

also includes crazy people and those who beat their wives.  no background check on pvt sales = nuts.

there is simply no way to regulate private sales of ANYTHING between individuals. Drugs are completely banned and illegal, yet what does that do to stop millions of americans conducting private sales of drugs on every corner and parking lot in the nation every day? absolutely nothing. its a joke. if bad people want whatever, there will always be back channels to get it.

[OzmO]

it was New York that rammed thru the 7-round limit; it may have been changed back to 10 since then, im not sure. the point of all these things is that it really is a slippery slope when it comes to this; the Left has always and will always try anything and everything to undermine the 2nd. if we give them even an inch, they will always come back for more.

There is almost always going to be an opposing view point to anything.  Us vs them mentality which is what you display here doesn't get anything done.   Fact is, it wasn't 7 rounds anywhere.  yet you led with that point.  which means you didn't even bother to check.  its like you just regurgitated talking points that someone else fed to you.

all these thing serve only to harass regular guys like me and make things difficult for law-abiding people and do NOTHING to affect criminals.

Have you read all the laws?

What about concealed weapons permits?

What about suppressors/silencers being against the law?

What about passing a NCIS background check?

I am willing to bet you haven't.  

 

and your statement about anyone having guns in the house with kids is also extremely ignorant...there are literally TENS OF MILLIONS of American households with both guns and kids, and in 99.9999% of them nothing bad ever happens. the one time a kid dies cause the parent was an idiot, it makes all the headlines and everyone says 'oh those scary guns!!' ..you know they don't report every day? 'today, in 50 million American households with kids and guns, nothing happened'. they could repeat that headline every day because it is true.
many times more kids die in swimming pools every year, are you gonna say 'anyone with kids who has a swimming pool is an idiot'?  
who is fearmongering now?

You really shouldn't take my statement out of context or at least get it right. here is what i said:

 If you have a loaded gun in your house and have children you are an idiot.

I didn't say have guns and  kids,  i said LOADED GUNS!!!!!!!!!

I still stand by that statement even though there maybe millions of IDIOT Parents who do this in our country, its still fucking STUPID.    

Just like the parent with kids 1-5 that have a pool in their back yard without a gate or fence around it.  They are fucking stupid too.  

Here is a picture for you.    A parent cleans his guns in his bed room and puts them away loaded while his 2 year old opens the screen door and falls in the pool drowns.


THEY ARE STILLING FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE!!!!   And its too bad laws have to be created to try and prevent that.   but what's really more stupid?  A person who leaves a loaded gun in their house with children or those who defend it?

[240 is Back]

it was New York that rammed thru the 7-round limit;

that's not an obama thing.   that's a states' rights thing.  People laugh when states' legalize pot, they laugh when states shake down brown people - but they scream when states' hate on gun rights.

[240 is Back]

there is simply no way to regulate private sales of ANYTHING between individuals.

sure there is. 

First of all, make it illegal.  Idiots like me (few and far between) that follow every law will adhere to it.

Secondly, make it a huge penalty and do lots of public stings.   Life in prison for selling to Chris Hanson on Dateline... yes, yes, yes, people will slow down the majority of private sales.

You can never stop everything from anyone on ANY topic.  but highly publicized enforcement with tough penalties work.

[headhuntersix]

OK so I'm in the camp that says not an inch on guns..no matter how ridiculous or minor the new law is...not an inch. The NRA fights every friggen thing and the facts back it up. I own a couple of AR's and more then enough of everything else but AR's are cool and scary to libs. Go try and buy a suppressor. Its maybe at best a 100-150 can of metal and composite....but nope they have to sell it for 4-600 or more then there's a stupid ass $200 tax stamp. Plus it takes a few weeks. All because it looks scary. I've run out of shit to do to my new Sig and I'd like a suppressor but almost 1K for a nice to have because the libs think their even more scary...

I buy ammo every month for everything I own because that's the next thing. Mags and ammo. They want to tax that, they'd like to make you register it as well. Yet these same people have zero issues with hard core drug and alcohol use. They have no issue with allowing criminal aliens into the country. 

[240 is Back]

OK so I'm in the camp that says not an inch on guns..no matter how ridiculous or minor the new law is...not an inch.

what about better communication with departments to stop domestic abusers from buying guns while an injunction is on them?

What about better systems to prevent those with mental issues from buying a gun?

we know at least 1 of these recent shooters had an ongoing mental case and they sold him one anyway.  If it just stops ONE shooting, why not support this?   Crazy people or wifebeaters do NOT need to buy weapons until they resolve their shit.

[tonymctones]

"I think even a short sighted flip flopper like you can understand that eventually their will be a time when a democratic president will have the ability to push their agenda through, how do you know that time wont be if hilary is put in charge?"

obama has always been way more liberal than hilary.  and he didn't even go after guns.   even when he owned both houses.

it'll never happen.  obama did a lot of liberal shit but never went at guns, aside from better background checks.  he even left gunshow loophole in place.

LMFAO great politician answer, answer the question without ever addressing it...

obama did try to push ammo bans through the ATF, I believe you were on here lambasting him for it and now youre saying it never happend.

NOT FUCKING SURPRISED!!!

[tonymctones]

It would require ratifying the constitution which is no easy task and not within the power of a president to do.  She's just saying what people want to hear at the time, much like she has done in the past and flip flops when general consensus changes.

the previous assault weapons ban was ratified in the constitution?

you dont have to ratify the constitution to ban certain guns...

[240 is Back]

obama did try to push ammo bans through the ATF, I believe you were on here lambasting him for it and now youre saying it never happend.

how did he "push" it?

Speeches to the media to raise the fundraiser dollars?
Or did he submit some sort of legislation which was defeated?

I mean other than the pandering words of a Kenyan usurper - how was it "pushed"?

[OzmO]

the previous assault weapons ban was ratified in the constitution?

you dont have to ratify the constitution to ban certain guns...

People aren't gonna freak out about an assault weapons ban, especially one that's been on and off.  If there was any REAL movement (something that actually had a chance) to repeal the 2nd amendment there would be a huge outcry over it and it would immediately fail.  So talking about someone who "would" if "given" the chance in this context is kind of pointless.

Regarding Obama, his record on control from the POV of gun control supporters is pretty shitty.

[TheGrinch]

do gun grabbers not realize that its the 2nd amendment that protects their constitutional right to their 1st amendment or do they not even care?

[OzmO]

do gun grabbers not realize that its the 2nd amendment that protects their constitutional right to their 1st amendment or do they not even care?

Are you saying that the fact people have guns will prevent the military from executing the will of the government?

[TheGrinch]

Are you saying that the fact people have guns will prevent the military from executing the will of the government?

All I am saying is without them you most definitely do NOT have a chance to stop them...

that was the whole point of the 2nd amendment and why it was written into the constitution.. to have at least the chance to overthrow a tyrannical government...

[OzmO]

All I am saying is without them you most definitely do NOT have a chance to stop them...

that was the whole point of the 2nd amendment and why it was written into the constitution.. to have at least the chance to overthrow a tyrannical government...

I agree, but still either way, with or without them, if our government became tyrannical we couldn't stop it with citizen owned guns.

[Las Vegas]

Maybe the point is to make as much noise as possible, and to make it as difficult as we can for the tyrants to have their way.  Force them to show what they're really about, because you know they'll be trying to play the "good guy" when they're doing it.  The more honest citizens who are armed, the more difficult it is to quietly take us over.

What's the other option?

[OzmO]

Maybe the point is to make as much noise as possible, and to make it as difficult as we can for the tyrants to have their way.  Force them to show what they're really about, because you know they'll be trying to play the "good guy" when they're doing it.  The more honest citizens who are armed, the more difficult it is to quietly take us over.

What's the other option?

I think that's a way over dramatic view.

We have still shown the capacity to initiate change in our country.  We are so rooted in our bill of rights and still function as a republic for the most part.  Still needs much improvement and the way things are now its very difficult (too much money in politics). 

Citizens being armed doesn't mean much.  Armed citizens will not stand up to the most powerful military in the world in any significant way.  What preserves the 2nd amendment is that enough of our culture is still believes that the right to bear arms is a core right of being an American. 

We will always have different groups of people who are against the most basic of our core beliefs as a nation.  Even after Pearl Harbor there were still a couple of representatives who voted against war.  That's part of what makes this country great. 

[Las Vegas]

I think that's a way over dramatic view.

We have still shown the capacity to initiate change in our country.  We are so rooted in our bill of rights and still function as a republic for the most part.  Still needs much improvement and the way things are now its very difficult (too much money in politics). 

Citizens being armed doesn't mean much.  Armed citizens will not stand up to the most powerful military in the world in any significant way.  What preserves the 2nd amendment is that enough of our culture is still believes that the right to bear arms is a core right of being an American. 

We will always have different groups of people who are against the most basic of our core beliefs as a nation.  Even after Pearl Harbor there were still a couple of representatives who voted against war.  That's part of what makes this country great. 

No?

[OzmO]

No?

Not when it comes to facing a modern military like the US Army

[Las Vegas]

Not when it comes to facing a modern military like the US Army

Do you mean because the military can take extra steps necessary to impose their will?

[headhuntersix]

The "military" ain't doing shit to law abiding 2nd Amendment supporters...as we're all governed and swore oaths to the Constitution and not to Barry fucking Obama and Hil. I'd love to see them try and send us house to house to confiscate. This would all be shortly followed by a civil war...and then camps for the libs.

[OzmO]

Do you mean because the military can take extra steps necessary to impose their will?

No, I mean modern militia will not be able to stop a modern day army.  No doubt, harm could be inflicted on soldiers, but it will not stop them.  Best we could hope for is an insurgent war that depending on the will of the tyrannical government prolly wouldn't last very long.  If we faced them head on we would be crushed faster than any arab army.