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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 05:41:15 PM »
Sanders will spend $18 trillion.
Trump will spend $12 trillion.

Ted Cruz will balance the budget.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Ted_Cruz_Budget_+_Economy.htm

If you support Trump OR sanders, you're a socialist too.   it's just a matter of to what degree.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2015, 06:11:25 PM »
Sanders will spend $18 trillion.
Trump will spend $12 trillion.

Ted Cruz will balance the budget.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Ted_Cruz_Budget_+_Economy.htm

If you support Trump OR sanders, you're a socialist too.   it's just a matter of to what degree.

Not sure who give the best non-answer answers, you, Lurker or just liberals in general.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2015, 06:35:44 PM »
Not sure who give the best non-answer answers, you, Lurker or just liberals in general.

it'll cost a shitload.  I'm glad we can all agree it's not just dems being socialist pricks - they're just bigger socialist pricks by 50%.   Trump is also a sociailst prick, just not as bad.  Still, they both promise handouts and to PUNISH the wealthy.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 06:44:27 PM »
it'll cost a shitload.  I'm glad we can all agree it's not just dems being socialist pricks - they're just bigger socialist pricks by 50%.   Trump is also a sociailst prick, just not as bad.  Still, they both promise handouts and to PUNISH the wealthy.

Killary and Sanders proposed a free college education for everyone. Illegals included. Tell me how that works.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 07:28:42 PM »
Killary and Sanders proposed a free college education for everyone. Illegals included. Tell me how that works.

it doesn't work.  Not one bit.

Also, FYI, Trump's plan to "cut taxes for everyone + only punish hedge fund managers" is equally unrealistic.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/donald-trump-tax-plan/


I agreed on the Bernie thing - do you agree on the Trump thing?

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2015, 08:12:11 PM »
it'll cost a shitload.  I'm glad we can all agree it's not just dems being socialist pricks - they're just bigger socialist pricks by 50%.   Trump is also a sociailst prick, just not as bad.  Still, they both promise handouts and to PUNISH the wealthy.

You gotta stop the hedgefunders and wall street of finding loopholes and making billions through illegal activity...You can get the money circulating back into the middle class with someone who has direct correlations to wall street backers and fellow 1%ers (again not to be confused with 5%ers) has nothing to do with being a socialist per say a lot of what Trump is doing is giving a lot of billionaires tax breaks...But if you have to pay 10% (made up number) and pay ALL OF IT...It's better than having to pay 12% and then paying zero...(an analogy)

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2015, 09:53:37 PM »
Fail...as usual.



http://m.hannity.com/onair/the-sean-hannity-show-55176/so-what-does-all-the-free-14037944

I listened to bits and pieces of the debate, and I was clutching my wallet...

The free college/university stuff is nonsense. I teach at a University, so I get it - it's expensive. Anyone that tells you differently is lying. Not that long ago, I paid $3,000 just for books, just for one semester. So yes, there are problems. I don't know what the solutions are, but I can tell I can tell you that they don't include "making college free" (that is, have others pay).

I could maybe get behind the "let's rebuild our crumbling infrastructure" rhetoric because in the long term it pays off to invest in infrastructure, and I see this as investment. But only with the proviso that of the total investment amount, 50% came from cuts to other items on the budget; and I don't mean "well, we're borrowing against the 2079 tax receipts and plundering the Social Security Fund again."

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2015, 05:23:44 PM »
Sanders will spend $18 trillion.
Trump will spend $12 trillion.

Ted Cruz will balance the budget.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Ted_Cruz_Budget_+_Economy.htm

If you support Trump OR sanders, you're a socialist too.   it's just a matter of to what degree.


Sanders may spend 18 trillion but with a single pay system as he proposed along with education reimbursed, he'll cut out the main issue that drives health care cost high and better education means more money in American's pocket.

Under Sanders plan, we would end up with a huge surplus
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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2015, 05:32:43 PM »
I am amazed at the tolerance for anti constitution massively communist stuff the media ha conditioned americans to tolerate.   That or its all BS, Obama stole 2012 and people are angery enough to put Trump in to go the other way.  I just can't believe that the majority of this country are socialist idiots, it sounds like what the crony commies want and dream to project as real but its not american nor america.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2015, 06:03:02 PM »
Sanders may spend 18 trillion

18 trillion which we don't have...

but with a single pay system as he proposed along with education reimbursed, he'll cut out the main issue that drives health care cost high and better education means more money in American's pocket.

Assumes facts not in evidence. Although, it's unclear how it would mean more money in Americans' pockets, since their pockets will be EMPTY paying for the 18 trillion in spending.


Under Sanders plan, we would end up with a huge surplus

And then you woke up?

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2015, 06:12:08 PM »
I could maybe get behind the "let's rebuild our crumbling infrastructure" rhetoric because in the long term it pays off to invest in infrastructure, and I see this as investment.
I can agree with it, my only issue is that these liberals say this without pointing out that the stimulus that they supported was meant to address this issue and apparently failed miserably.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 11:20:52 PM »
COACH,

Which of the repubs' economics plans do you like most, and why?

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2015, 08:16:26 AM »
So Sanders wants to use alot of money on Americans in America.

versus

Republicans using a lot of money on wars, financial bailouts etc.


The first one is clearly more patriotic.


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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2015, 08:31:44 AM »
So Sanders wants to use alot of money on Americans in America.

versus

Republicans using a lot of money on wars, financial bailouts etc.


The first one is clearly more patriotic.


this is totally inaccurate. This goes to show you only follow one side politically and pay no attention to the other to say something like that

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2015, 08:34:19 AM »
"hilary only went to the left before this maniac made her" - Trump defending hilary the next day.

It's what a dem plant would do, isn't it?  Paint hilary as moderate and reasonable?

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2015, 08:35:45 AM »
"hilary only went to the left before this maniac made her" - Trump defending hilary the next day.

It's what a dem plant would do, isn't it?  Paint hilary as moderate and reasonable?
if he's a dem plant he's doing a terrible job...either that or democrats agree with his views and just won't follow him because there is an R next to his name..which further proves my point that if the devil had a D next to his name the democrats would vote for him

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2015, 08:46:29 AM »
if he's a dem plant he's doing a terrible job

You seem to be a smart dude, so I'll ask you this... Let's define what a democratic plant in the repub party would be assigned to do.   I suggest their job would be to...

1) make the repub field look like a mess (Trump has done this)
2) insult and belittle the repubs with jokes about wives and thirsty and stupid (Trump has done this)
3) Remind everyone that 911 happened on a republican watch (Trump just did this)
4) Defend hilary whenever she gets unreasonable (Trump did this, as I just showed)
5) Attack hilary's dem enemies (trump attacking sanders as a communist, when he's 20 points back)

Add in trump's lifelong dem status until recently, the clintons at his wedding, and the fact respected repub columnist George will actually accused trump of being a plant this year (and I did in 2011)...

Well, if he's not a dem plant, he's seriously doing all the things you'd ask a dem plant to do, wouldn't you agree?

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2015, 09:03:18 AM »
You seem to be a smart dude, so I'll ask you this... Let's define what a democratic plant in the repub party would be assigned to do.   I suggest their job would be to...

1) make the repub field look like a mess (Trump has done this)
2) insult and belittle the repubs with jokes about wives and thirsty and stupid (Trump has done this)
3) Remind everyone that 911 happened on a republican watch (Trump just did this)
4) Defend hilary whenever she gets unreasonable (Trump did this, as I just showed)
5) Attack hilary's dem enemies (trump attacking sanders as a communist, when he's 20 points back)

Add in trump's lifelong dem status until recently, the clintons at his wedding, and the fact respected repub columnist George will actually accused trump of being a plant this year (and I did in 2011)...

Well, if he's not a dem plant, he's seriously doing all the things you'd ask a dem plant to do, wouldn't you agree?

I will respond to every one individually

1)  He has made them look like a mess because things he's said are either slandered by liberal media which takes up 90% of news TV or just don't generally sit well with a lot of people in America...And as a leader in the polls he represents them all in a sense..

2) Trump would do this regardless of whether he was a "dem plant" or not...He has a huge track record of insulting other people and speaking his mind no matter what the situation publicly...He supports ben Carson and says nothing bad about him and Carson is 2nd...going by your logic Carson is the only threat to the Dems then...So he should be getting the MOST made fun of, don't you think?? Plus in EVERY INSTANCE Trump is attacked first.

3) Reminding everyone that 9/11 happened on a republicans watch...Not as much...It's more like reminding Jeb that his brother was in office while 9/11 happened in response to Jeb saying that George Bush kept us safe and made a campaign ad attacking Trump...Seems more like Jeb is doing most of the insulting..It's just when Trump says 1 word it's televised for weeks...But it always has been

4) Trump defends Hilary in some instances...But i've watched over 40 speeches/rally's with him and he's publicly humiliated her in front of 20,000 people multiple times...Nobody who is supporting her would do that...He's too genuine to be a plant WAYYY too genuine...He talks way too passionately for me to think he's lying...


5) He was attacking Sanders because he realizes that Sanders is catching up in the polls...He's even said that Hilary's numbers are dropping...trump is all over the polls and sees this...He sees hilary as an easy win...So he is going to try to make it so Sanders never gets to the top...Plus Trump was making fun of the WHOLE democratic debate and there are tweets to prove it...Not just Sanders..He's publicly spoke about him and Hilary having a contest between who can give out the most free stuff...

I think Trump is a liberal with a conservative attitude and SOME conservative principals...This is what we need in this country...Notice how it's NEVER ONE SIDED...It's always in the middle

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2015, 09:14:48 AM »
Not sure who give the best non-answer answers, you, Lurker or just liberals in general.

Not sure who gives the dumbest answers and non refutes, you, you, or well... just you.

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2015, 09:50:06 AM »
I will respond to every one individually

1)  He has made them look like a mess because things he's said are either slandered by liberal media which takes up 90% of news TV or just don't generally sit well with a lot of people in America...And as a leader in the polls he represents them all in a sense..

2) Trump would do this regardless of whether he was a "dem plant" or not...He has a huge track record of insulting other people and speaking his mind no matter what the situation publicly...He supports ben Carson and says nothing bad about him and Carson is 2nd...going by your logic Carson is the only threat to the Dems then...So he should be getting the MOST made fun of, don't you think?? Plus in EVERY INSTANCE Trump is attacked first.

3) Reminding everyone that 9/11 happened on a republicans watch...Not as much...It's more like reminding Jeb that his brother was in office while 9/11 happened in response to Jeb saying that George Bush kept us safe and made a campaign ad attacking Trump...Seems more like Jeb is doing most of the insulting..It's just when Trump says 1 word it's televised for weeks...But it always has been

4) Trump defends Hilary in some instances...But i've watched over 40 speeches/rally's with him and he's publicly humiliated her in front of 20,000 people multiple times...Nobody who is supporting her would do that...He's too genuine to be a plant WAYYY too genuine...He talks way too passionately for me to think he's lying...


5) He was attacking Sanders because he realizes that Sanders is catching up in the polls...He's even said that Hilary's numbers are dropping...trump is all over the polls and sees this...He sees hilary as an easy win...So he is going to try to make it so Sanders never gets to the top...Plus Trump was making fun of the WHOLE democratic debate and there are tweets to prove it...Not just Sanders..He's publicly spoke about him and Hilary having a contest between who can give out the most free stuff...

I think Trump is a liberal with a conservative attitude and SOME conservative principals...This is what we need in this country...Notice how it's NEVER ONE SIDED...It's always in the middle

The republican base watch liberal media ??? Really???

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2015, 09:53:07 AM »
The republican base watch liberal media ??? Really???

What?? Everything is liberal..Whether it's MTV or comedy central..From CNN to MSNBC...Do you understand? You HAVE TO watch liberal..These people report these things..And to the masses they humiliate the Republican party,,What part do you not understnad/?

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Re: How much will all of this socialist "free" stuff cost?
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2015, 10:01:02 AM »
What?? Everything is liberal..Whether it's MTV or comedy central..From CNN to MSNBC...Do you understand? You HAVE TO watch liberal..These people report these things..And to the masses they humiliate the Republican party,,What part do you not understnad/?

Correct me if I'm wrong but FOX is the highest rated "news" show, and the republican base gets their news from them, not the sources you posted.

Also have you considered that since everything is liberal as you say, maybe there is reason for that?
If a man fells the world and everything in it is screwed up, maybe he is the one that has a problem.

Not saying you necessarily fit in this category, but you get the point.