Annoyed - Schooling

[epcfitness]

On topic: This guy below never competed in a bodybuilding or fitness show and never will.

Making 65-80k a year working 35-40 hours. High school education with no college experience besides 3 courses about 3-4 years ago. And recently obtained my Real Estate License if that counts? Haven't done anything with it though.

Going to start school to pursue a degree to better myself as a person with knowledge. Wanting to study the aspects of business to open up and operate my own and eventually expand myself into owning and operating multiple businesses. I see all these job positions that after a 2 or 4 year degree pay $20/hour tops. Seriously? Will going to school for the heck of it to get a degree and taking business classes be worth it? Or should I just keep building my credit saving tens of thousands and look for a business opportunity and seize it? At the end of the day I believe having a degree will be important. But it's like financially I might as well be doing what I've been doing for the past 3 years... waiting tables. My 2016 car is completely paid off and I have no debts at all.

You guys are wise here. Yes I'll go to school and get my degree but right now it seems like financially it's a joke. At the end of the day I need to convince myself that I'm doing this for me and not the money. I'm fairly educated I believe in many ways. But maybe there's something more I'm missing here that will drive me to believe I will get something in return out of it for me - and not just a 2 or 4 year degree piece of paper.

[The True Adonis]

Only you can answer these questions.

[epcfitness]

Only you can answer these questions.

I believe education is important and will better you as a person overall.

[Davidtheman100]

On topic: This guy below never competed in a bodybuilding or fitness show and never will.

Making 65-80k a year working 35-40 hours. High school education with no college experience besides 3 courses. And obtained my Real Estate License if that counts? Haven't done anything with it though.

Going to start school to pursue a degree to better myself as a person with knowledge. Wanting to study the aspects of business to open up and operate my own and eventually expand myself into owning and operating multiple businesses. I see all these job positions that after a 2 or 4 year degree pay $20/hour tops. Seriously? Will going to school for the heck of it and taking business classes be worth it? Or should I just keep building my credit saving tens of thousands and look for a business opportunity and seize it? At the end of the day I believe having a degree will be important. But it's like financially I might as well be doing what I've been doing for the past 3 years... waiting tables. My 2016 car is completely paid off and I have no debts at all.

You guys are wise here. Yes I'll go to school and get my degree but right now it seems like financially it's a joke. At the end of the day I need to convince myself that I'm doing this for me and not the money. I'm fairly educated I believe in many ways. But maybe there's something more I'm missing here that will drive me to go to college.

Wait for the presidential election 2016...If the communist is elected, all public colleges will be free and your waiter salary will boom to 15.00 dollars per hour...The payoff right now for a degree that you already see as small MIGHT BE EVEN LESS WORTH IT than you feel it is now even in the long-term...I would wait and continue to work and save more money for now...Plus if you get student loans right now if the communist is elected he might void future ones and not ones that already exist...Working that 15 per hr min. wage will give you a 2-3 year window where everything will be the same price until the economy collapses and prices of candy bars go up to 3-4 dollars

[Simple Simon]

I believe education is important and will better you as a person overall.

Better to be a happy pig than a miserable owl.

[epcfitness]

Wait for the presidential election 2016...If the communist is elected, all public colleges will be free and your waiter salary will boom to 15.00 dollars per hour...The payoff right now for a degree that you already see as small MIGHT BE EVEN LESS WORTH IT than you feel it is now even in the long-term...I would wait and continue to work and save more money for now...Plus if you get student loans right now if the communist is elected he might void future ones and not ones that already exist...Working that 15 per hr min. wage will give you a 2-3 year window where everything will be the same price until the economy collapses and prices of candy bars go up to 3-4 dollars

Thank you for the reply. The cost of getting a degree is no issue and I won't be taking out a loan for any of it. The cost of schooling in my state is one of the cheapest in the US and that I am thankful for. Realistically I just can't see myself taking a job offer under $25/hour. I'd rather be doing what I'm currently doing and have a better quality life in terms of luxuries and schedule freedom.

[epcfitness]

Better to be a happy pig than a miserable owl.

Are you referring to the different work hours of a "normal" career as opposed to the night shifts in restaurants?
Or maybe you are referring to the owl being wise but miserable not making sufficient income to enjoy luxuries etc?
Or maybe you are saying do what you believe will make you happier?
Can you clarify a little more so I can understand fully.

[Simple Simon]

Are you referring to the different work hours of a "normal" career as opposed to the night shifts in restaurants?
Or maybe you are referring to the owl being wise but miserable not making sufficient income to enjoy luxuries etc?
Or maybe you are saying do what you believe will make you happier?
Can you clarify a little more so I can understand fully.

Thick people are generally happy because they are blissfully ignorant
Clever people are generally more stressed and miserable because they pick up on all the shit that goes on in the world.

Forrest Gump?

[Core]

Dont do it if it's just to fit in with society's norm of having a degree. your doing fine right now so why fix something that isn't broken. a business degree isnt worth much if you arent already in the field, and i guarantee you that the guys and girls buying businesses and growing them didnt get their smarts from any school they learned by doing. i knew a lady who bought her first business at 18 off a loan and within 4 years had 3 more and now she has a few dozens properties and a nice house with no degree or education save high school. society is trying to sell you on the idea that a degree will make you successful ill tell you  right now that it wont. it gives an advantage but the worth of that advantage is dependant on you. my 2 cents..

[epcfitness]

Thick people are generally happy because they are blissfully ignorant
Clever people are generally more stressed and miserable because they pick up on all the shit that goes on in the world.

Forrest Gump?

So basically just do it and don't worry or stress all the other BS and concerns because I know within me already it's what I want to do regardless of everything else and I have nothing to lose but a few thousands which isn't much in return for education which I value much more than money?

I don't ever watch tv and movies only once in a while but I will watch that tonight if they have it on netflix. Otherwise I'll pirate it and stream it on my computer.

[epcfitness]

Dont do it if it's just to fit in with society's norm of having a degree. your doing fine right now so why fix something that isn't broken. a business degree isnt worth much if you arent already in the field, and i guarantee you that the guys and girls buying businesses and growing them didnt get their smarts from any school they learned by doing. i knew a lady who bought her first business at 18 off a loan and within 4 years had 3 more and now she has a few dozens properties and a nice house with no degree or education save high school. society is trying to sell you on the idea that a degree will make you successful ill tell you  right now that it wont. it gives an advantage but the worth of that advantage is dependant on you. my 2 cents..

Damn and this post managed to completely change my stance on schooling. Here's the real truth. I am completely bored when I am not at work and have a lot of free time. Yes I like to train and eat out to be big, but that's pretty much it at the moment. I want more, I want something that will drive me everyday to wake up and conquer the day and feel alive and great and productive. I feel like an education is a step forward to that.

[Davidtheman100]

So basically just do it and don't worry or stress all the other BS and concerns because I know within me already it's what I want to do regardless of everything else and I have nothing to lose but a few thousands which isn't much in return for education which I value much more than money?

I don't ever watch tv and movies only once in a while but I will watch that tonight if they have it on netflix. Otherwise I'll pirate it and stream it on my computer.

There is no way avoiding being stressed with your environmental surroundings and corrupt corporate systems while you're smart and intelligent unless you drown yourself in hookers lol... No amount of times watching forest gump will help you... You say you want to run a big business?? Or multiple business's?? There is going to be stress...And lot's of it..REgardless of how much money you're bringing in...but the money sure can help...You can enjoy it at the same time though...Pressure is privilege...business is a cut throat route...Very easy to lose your job in an instant after years and years of practice and expenses...

[epcfitness]

There is no way avoiding being stressed with your environmental surroundings and corrupt corporate systems while you're smart and intelligent unless you drown yourself in hookers lol... No amount of times watching forest gump will help you... You say you want to run a big business?? Or multiple business's?? There is going to be stress...And lot's of it..REgardless of how much money you're bringing in...but the money sure can help...You can enjoy it at the same time though...Pressure is privilege...business is a cut throat route...Very easy to lose your job in an instant after years and years of practice and expenses...

I understand believe me what I was talking about with my reply to his quote was do not stress over my decision. Pick education and go with it don't worry about my decision after that. I want to have a comfortable living and in the future years to come maybe have a more normal schedule I don't want to wait table forever. I want to contribute to the world more than that. Your last statement is absolutely right and that is where having an education and degree comes in. If all as fails I have something to fall back on. I'm just conflicted at the moment.

I can go to school and make a bit less money right now which I will still be living very comfortably. While I keep saving... I'm just overcomplicating this and thinking about it way to much as I always do. I will get an education for me because I believe it is important and it is something I want, all the while doing what I am currently doing and if a business opportunity pops up I can seize it at any point regardless. An associates degree is roughly $8000 which is nothing in retrospect.

I'm going to watch forest gump while eating ice cream to ease my mind... This shit is so simple yet I manage to make it so complicated and stress myself out. At the end of the day if I am living comfortably then everything will be ok... At the end of the day life is simple if you want it to be and a positive mindset is everything.

[phreak]

Damn and this post managed to completely change my stance on schooling. Here's the real truth. I am completely bored when I am not at work and have a lot of free time. Yes I like to train and eat out to be big, but that's pretty much it at the moment. I want more, I want something that will drive me everyday to wake up and conquer the day and feel alive and great and productive. I feel like an education is a step forward to that.

Education is great. Just don't choose a field just for the promise of financial returns. If you are one of the few who can study whatever you want, then make it count. Do something you have a passion for, regardless of the ROI. Recently I've started on endocrinology. Not relevant to my career at all, but something I just feel the need to know more about. Last year it was structural engineering. Next year it may be teledildonics. As long as you're learning something.

[Davidtheman100]

I understand believe me what I was talking about with my reply to his quote was do not stress over my decision. Pick education and go with it don't worry about my decision after that. I want to have a comfortable living and in the future years to come maybe have a more normal schedule I don't want to wait table forever. I want to contribute to the world more than that. Your last statement is absolutely right and that is where having an education and degree comes in. If all as fails I have something to fall back on.

You seem to have a good head on your shoulders...Best of luck to you. I'm sure what route you choose will work out for the better.

[epcfitness]

Education is great. Just don't choose a field just for the promise of financial returns. If you are one of the few who can study whatever you want, then make it count. Do something you have a passion for, regardless of the ROI. Recently I've started on endocrinology. Not relevant to my career at all, but something I just feel the need to know more about. Last year it was structural engineering. Next year it may be teledildonics. As long as you're learning something.

Very true this is something I have given thought to. I just feel it is a wiser dicision to solidify a degree first, then after that continue to study whatever else I feel I am interested in. Kind of just to have something to fall back on if worse comes to worse. Plus you never know, a few classes you would have thought was a complete waste of your time might teach you something valuable that you will always appreciate and be glad you took it.

Kind of like how I got my real estate license and will be taking my post license course even though I likely won't use it. But I did learn a lot of things from the course and all of the studying and I have to say it was absolutely worth it. It cost a measly $500 for the course, plus the 63 hours that went into it. You see I didn't have a clue about mortgages and loans and principle and interest and how it all played into making payments and all of that. Just being educated in the subject thanks to getting my real estate license I saved thousands when I was paying off my car. I wouldn't have had a clue about all of that and would have likely dished out a few extra thousand into paying interest in the loan because I wasn't educated on the subject and therefor couldn't strategize my payments and the amounts and all of that to save me a lot of money.

[epcfitness]

You seem to have a good head on your shoulders...Best of luck to you. I'm sure what route you choose will work out for the better.

Thanks again. Going to relax and not worry about it all. There really is nothing to worry about. Negative energy doesn't do any good but cause stress so time for me to chill out

[Core]

Damn and this post managed to completely change my stance on schooling. Here's the real truth. I am completely bored when I am not at work and have a lot of free time. Yes I like to train and eat out to be big, but that's pretty much it at the moment. I want more, I want something that will drive me everyday to wake up and conquer the day and feel alive and great and productive. I feel like an education is a step forward to that.

do you have any interests outside or working out and working? as a society we have been told that education is the answer to many things, but pure boredom is often times not one of them. i would keep saving your money, right now an education isnt worth much being as EVERYONE and their mother (and i mean it my moms going back to school for the 2nd time) is going to or back to school. the economy is down right now, so everyones chasing the dream even harder than usual and hoping school will save them. ill tell you right now, of all of my friends who have degrees not one of them has a job or benefits package like mine, in fact none of them have a benefits package at all or a job one could call a career. i dont have a degree. but ive worked my ass off to get here so that tells you something. luck plays a part too.

it sounds like your cash flow is going well and thats something to be proud of for someone without a degree. keep at it im in the same boat as you there. its a huge 4 year plus commitment with no guarantees of a return and a high overhead cost.. does that sound like a good business decision? if you want to get started id take some night classes at a CC and see how you get on. worst case youll be out a couple grand best case youll be able to decide if you want to continue or not.

another 2 cents of mine.

[sync pulse]

On topic: This guy below never competed in a bodybuilding or fitness show and never will.

Making 65-80k a year working 35-40 hours. High school education with no college experience besides 3 courses about 3-4 years ago. And recently obtained my Real Estate License if that counts? Haven't done anything with it though.

Going to start school to pursue a degree to better myself as a person with knowledge. Wanting to study the aspects of business to open up and operate my own and eventually expand myself into owning and operating multiple businesses. I see all these job positions that after a 2 or 4 year degree pay $20/hour tops. Seriously? Will going to school for the heck of it to get a degree and taking business classes be worth it? Or should I just keep building my credit saving tens of thousands and look for a business opportunity and seize it? At the end of the day I believe having a degree will be important. But it's like financially I might as well be doing what I've been doing for the past 3 years... waiting tables. My 2016 car is completely paid off and I have no debts at all.

You guys are wise here. Yes I'll go to school and get my degree but right now it seems like financially it's a joke. At the end of the day I need to convince myself that I'm doing this for me and not the money. I'm fairly educated I believe in many ways. But maybe there's something more I'm missing here that will drive me to believe I will get something in return out of it for me - and not just a 2 or 4 year degree piece of paper.

For your first year and a half to two years, just take preliminary courses like English, Math with an eye to get to Calculus, American history pre and post 1865, Art, and above all, Physics, and Chemistry.  You need to take Art, English and Music so you are not some uncultured rube.  You need to take math, chemistry, and physics to set the stage for a technical degree if you want that.

Making 65-80k a year working 35-40 hours. But it's like financially I might as well be doing what I've been doing for the past 3 years... waiting tables.

(you make thousands in tips?)

[Simple Simon]

Education is great. Just don't choose a field just for the promise of financial returns. If you are one of the few who can study whatever you want, then make it count. Do something you have a passion for, regardless of the ROI. Recently I've started on endocrinology. Not relevant to my career at all, but something I just feel the need to know more about. Last year it was structural engineering. Next year it may be teledildonics. As long as you're learning something.

Do something you enjoy and financial reward will follow.
Don't do something just for the money, things never work out well.

[10pints]

Education is great. Just don't choose a field just for the promise of financial returns. If you are one of the few who can study whatever you want, then make it count. Do something you have a passion for, regardless of the ROI. Recently I've started on endocrinology. Not relevant to my career at all, but something I just feel the need to know more about. Last year it was structural engineering. Next year it may be teledildonics. As long as you're learning something.

That would be a great getbig user name!

[Tapeworm]

Go to the library.

[phreak]

That would be a great getbig user name!

There's several people here who could claim it, them being a long-distance pain in the ass.

[10pints]

There's several people here who could claim it, them being a long-distance pain in the ass.

Haha. Brilliant! Your posts are most enjoyable, no homo.

[Marty Champions]

Dont do it if it's just to fit in with society's norm of having a degree. your doing fine right now so why fix something that isn't broken. a business degree isnt worth much if you arent already in the field, and i guarantee you that the guys and girls buying businesses and growing them didnt get their smarts from any school they learned by doing. i knew a lady who bought her first business at 18 off a loan and within 4 years had 3 more and now she has a few dozens properties and a nice house with no degree or education save high school. society is trying to sell you on the idea that a degree will make you successful ill tell you  right now that it wont. it gives an advantage but the worth of that advantage is dependant on you. my 2 cents..

^^^ best advice