Author Topic: How soon to discover the lies? (Read 9507 times)

Never1AShow · « **on:** October 20, 2015, 07:46:04 AM »

It used to be that when a guy started lifting it took many years to discover it was all based on lies. Years of training and learning about protein powder, super sets, reading magazines, learning the history and the ropes, building something of a foundation. Unless you happened to know someone who clued you in early to the game that all the supplements are lies and its all just steroids (which was probably unfortunate becuase youd lose the chance to develop a base and some fire).

How long does it take the average guy who walks into a gym for the first time today? Now that information is available on the Internet for free, is it a year? a couple of months? Is it better or worse to know so early that the ace was always up the sleeve, the rabbit was always in the hat and there is no magic?

Davidtheman100 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2015, 07:56:08 AM »

Quote from: Never1AShow on October 20, 2015, 07:46:04 AM

It used to be that when a guy started lifting it took many years to discover it was all based on lies. Years of training and learning about protein powder, super sets, reading magazines, learning the history and the ropes, building something of a foundation. Unless you happened to know someone who clued you in early to the game that all the supplements are lies and its all just steroids (which was probably unfortunate becuase youd lose the chance to develop a base and some fire).

How long does it take the average guy who walks into a gym for the first time today? Now that information is available on the Internet for free, is it a year? a couple of months? Is it better or worse to know so early that the ace was always up the sleeve, the rabbit was always in the hat and there is no magic?

I'd say for the most part, if they're into the sport and know that they need to do more muscles than biceps, chest and abs...Then they essentially know before they even step foot in a gym...All the same places that give you access to what's needed to create a better physique in training, are the same places that have lots of steroid info...Even the natural youtube channels top comments have to do with steroids and how the naturals are liars...But i WILL SAY THIS: it takes them EVEN LONGER now to realize that supplements don't mean shit....Because there are so many new ones...They think supplements AND gear are the secret...Everyone wants to hop on "something" when they just start lifting because their diet and training routine don't give them any results...All they need is to tweak that and they'll grow like a weed...But they're convinced they need something else...Something to motivate them even...So they start with the proteins, creatines from GNC...Then they blow money...Blow money...And then they look online to find better and cheaper protein powders because they think it will get them to that next level...They are introduced to new protein companies...New sponsored athletes...They look up the athletes....They find their youtube channels...They look up youtube taste testing for those proteins they wanna buy...Run by a fitness channel testing them...They check out more of that persons videos because they're funny...Then they see these athletes taking BCAA and PWO...Then guess what? THEY TAKE BCAA AND PWO...Now they blow more money...More money...Get a little more familiar with weights...Get confident...Now they accommodate their diet with further watching these youtube channels...They see top comments about steroids...They stumble upon an online board...They stumble upon gh15...They talk to someone in the gym who is bigger than them and has a bostin loyd-like attitude and asks what the secret is...They have friends on the football team who do it...They want faster results...Now they take steroids, stack everything together....Then they run out of BCAA and decide not to buy more, or they don't have any money left cuz they spent it on the cycle....And they see they don't lose any gains..THey don't notice any difference...They stop buying BCAA and realize it's a marketing scam...They see their body transform with the AAS in a short period of time more than it EVER transformed with BCAA...They hear on their boarding that BCAA is trash...Then it all makes sense to them when they watch the sponsored athletes on youtube...They laugh because they know it's the gear that makes these "natural athletes" that big...Now they drop all the hydroxycuts, the creatines etc...They spend MORE MONEY ON GEAR...And get MORE RESULTS....Then etc etc.....Then they're the man of their town...They pass down their info to everyone around there who asks them how their physique changed...It's an ongoing cycle........

muscularny · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2015, 07:59:46 AM »

It takes the same amount of time because human behavior hasn't changed.

It's kinda like the big massive mistakes men make by dating certain people, for example almost 100% of the time if you date a junkie, single mom, stripper etc things will end up in a massive disaster. The information and warnings are out there all over today yet more than ever people feel they know better.

How about the dangers of smoking? More warnings and info about the topic than ever before, the crackhead know it all will contiue to smoke, after all he knows someone that is 180 years old that smoked 16 packs a day since they were 9.

Bodybuilding is same BS. So much good honest info out there, the real info is not what people want to hear just like the guy refuses to hear that as nice as that strippers ass is, dating her seriously will lead to hell. He feels the stripper he met is the exceptions o the rule.

So yea, to make quality gains you must eat real meals not drink shakes, you must train properly and consistently, the quick 7 minute programs won't do much for ya.

As far as drugs go, well I don't advocate it, however every beginner is convinced that dbol and creatine is all one needs, after all who wants to hear about needles and expensive chemicals.

Sorry for going on and on, however, the first step to becoming sane is to realize how we are pre-programmed to be completely insane.

da_vinci · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:02:04 AM »

Guys used to inject in plain sight in my gym, so no time for lies. I pondered the idea of going ON for the first three years or so, than I resisted and decided to not touch the shit for as long as possible, just continued to train hard for many more years.

Yamcha · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:06:38 AM »

I had no issue with all the lies until I (idiotically) decided to compete.
Training became a chore.
The diet was awful.
Hours of cardio were boring.
And the whole "lifestyle" and "experience" wasn't worth the torture to my body and relationships around me.

I did get fucking shredded though.

SF1900 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:13:50 AM »

People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.

Davidtheman100 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:15:08 AM »

Quote from: SF1900 on October 20, 2015, 08:13:50 AM

People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight.

lol good luck with that. Never gonna happen. Football players, wrestlers, baseball players, ATHLETES don't have TIME to fucking study a year to lift weights that are sitting right in front of them with former college athletes as coaches who can teach them fine...

Yamcha · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:17:42 AM »

Quote from: Davidtheman100 on October 20, 2015, 08:15:08 AM

lol good luck with that. Never gonna happen. Football players, wrestlers, baseball players, ATHLETES don't have TIME to fucking study a year to lift weights that are sitting right in front of them with former college athletes as coaches who can teach them fine...

Job of the parents
True GetBiggers will teach their offspring the great legacy of bodybuilding

SF1900 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:21:51 AM »

Quote from: Davidtheman100 on October 20, 2015, 08:15:08 AM

lol good luck with that. Never gonna happen. Football players, wrestlers, baseball players, ATHLETES don't have TIME to fucking study a year to lift weights that are sitting right in front of them with former college athletes as coaches who can teach them fine...

Its best if the new gym goer finds a skilled bodybuilder/trainer to study under for at least 1 year. This may include learning the historical elements of bodybuilding (how it evolved), key figures in the industry, and the cultural implications of bodybuilding in relation to the larger community. After this has been obtained, one can rightfully step into the gym with the idea of beginning to lift weights.

Powerlift66 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:25:19 AM »

I grew up with York weights and benches in my house. (Dad's)
Was told about strength drugs when I first started going to YMCA weight room at age 12/13 with Dad and Uncle.
Was also told it was mainly "for the gay's", so I never did the bodybuilding drugs or had any desire to compete.
Just enjoyed and still enjoying lifting, also enjoy not being a slave to the needle. (Nothing against those who use BTW, I just never had the desire).
With the internet these days, kids can figure it out pretty quickly that its all drugs, especially the one's who follow these YouTube tools...

NelsonMuntz · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:37:10 AM »

how about just exercise and good nutrition habits and not worryingabout looking better than some other dudes.

If someone wants to take juice or not, who cares but there is one thing for sure....

99.9% of people who go on gear will never even look close to anything resembling a decent bodybuilder, let alone physique dude.

In fact most of the 99.9% who do use don't even look like they are on gear. Gyms are full of 160lbs behemoths who are stuck at 225lbs bench presses with shit form

Grape Ape · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2015, 08:39:19 AM »

Quote from: SF1900 on October 20, 2015, 08:13:50 AM

People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding.

A thorough review of Hulkotron's post history will arm any potential iron warrior with all the ammo he needs.

Julio Ceasar · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2015, 01:59:08 PM »

A lot of guys have great potential to get a nice strong buildbody, but most of them suckers are to lazy!

99% of the majority dosent want to look like a bloated retard bodybuilder, they just want to have abs be slim and fit. U can achieve that without drugs!

devilsmile · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2015, 02:13:59 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on October 20, 2015, 08:13:50 AM

People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.

I agree. Most people who go to the gym for the first time want to get big and strong and it takes scientific approach to get to that goal of being big and strong. By scientific I don't mean drugs, but how and what to do with or without drugs.

_aj_ · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2015, 02:29:18 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on October 20, 2015, 08:13:50 AM

People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.

+1

mazrim · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2015, 03:18:17 PM »

Some remarkably long posts in this thread

Method101 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2015, 03:21:13 PM »

When I was 15 I bought NitroTech after seeing the adds with Jay Cutler in Flex Magazine and thought I was gonna get big as fuark. Then I stumbled onto getbig about 8 years ago at 16 and learnt the truth.

SF1900 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2015, 03:39:20 PM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on October 20, 2015, 08:39:19 AM

A thorough review of Hulkotron's post history will arm any potential iron warrior with all the ammo he needs.

I am scared that Hulkotron may offer them more than just a historical overview of bodybuilding, if you know what I mean.

SF1900 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 20, 2015, 03:41:10 PM »

Quote from: devilsmile on October 20, 2015, 02:13:59 PM

I agree. Most people who go to the gym for the first time want to get big and strong and it takes scientific approach to get to that goal of being big and strong. By scientific I don't mean drugs, but how and what to do with or without drugs.

One must understand the evolution of bodybuilding, starting from the first schmoe to the 21st century schmoe.

SF1900 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2015, 03:42:04 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on October 20, 2015, 02:29:18 PM

+1

AJ, due to your success in and out of the weight room, I will be referring some 21 year olds to you for tutelage. Remember, no lifting weights. Only scholarly pursuits.

Lustral · « **Reply #20 on:** October 20, 2015, 04:36:09 PM »

Quote from: Powerlift66 on October 20, 2015, 08:25:19 AM

I grew up with York weights and benches in my house. (Dad's)
Was told about strength drugs when I first started going to YMCA weight room at age 12/13 with Dad and Uncle.
Was also told it was mainly "for the gay's", so I never did the bodybuilding drugs or had any desire to compete.
Just enjoyed and still enjoying lifting, also enjoy not being a slave to the needle. (Nothing against those who use BTW, I just never had the desire).
With the internet these days, kids can figure it out pretty quickly that its all drugs, especially the one's who follow these YouTube tools...

The internet has made it worse. Yes we were fed lies by magazines but at least my generation and older were weaned on train hard lift heavy and recover. I know a lot of kids who have only lifted on juice which is alien to me.

They missed the easy 6 to 10kg of natural gains and basic grounding in lifting. How many kids now know about beyond brawn and progressive overload? Hence you see dickheads doing everything but work hard on basics in gym and look like shit as a result.

HTexan · « **Reply #21 on:** October 20, 2015, 04:57:25 PM »

I think the knowledge of steroids and our culture, has the effect of more abusers at a younger age.

da_vinci · « **Reply #22 on:** October 20, 2015, 05:06:12 PM »

Lots of guys on drugs who look liek shit. Not much lies... quality takes time, consistency. It shows in golden era physiques.

All these YT juiced from day one clowns. Yet... very few ones can touch this (and dude was on a gear that was more simple! Probably on a lot less gear either. And you can see he's not a walkign water balloon, blown out from within in a completely artificial way. It just shows. a real fukkin muscle right here):

HTexan · « **Reply #23 on:** October 20, 2015, 05:18:05 PM »

Quote from: da_vinci on October 20, 2015, 05:06:12 PM

Lots of guys on drugs who look liek shit. Not much lies... quality takes time, consistency. It shows in golden era physiques.

All these YT juiced from day one clowns. Yet... very few ones can touch this (and dude was on a gear that was more simple! Probably on a lot less gear either. And you can see he's not a walkign water balloon, blown out from within in a completely artificial way. It just shows. a real fukkin muscle right here):

and he didn't win shit, racist schmoe bastards!!

Never1AShow · « **Reply #24 on:** October 20, 2015, 05:47:45 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on October 20, 2015, 08:13:50 AM

People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.

This is awesome! How far back? Milo of Crete hoisting a calf on his shoulders every day or something more modern like the first Mr. Olympia?