Author Topic: Palumboism = adrenal fatigue (Read 12113 times)

Wiggs · « **on:** October 23, 2015, 09:58:40 AM »

It's complex but this is what is. The muscle wasting from the legs, arms and butt are key symptoms, in addition to trunk growth. It can be reversed but bodybuilding lifestyle must be discontinued and muscle integrity can be restored.
I'll go into greater detail later. It's the long term drug use and the bodybuilding lifestyle that causes it. It's too much stress over a long period of time.
That is all.

bigmc · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:04:55 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on October 23, 2015, 09:58:40 AM

It's complex but this is what is. The muscle wasting from the legs, arms and butt are key symptoms, in addition to trunk growth. It can be reversed but bodybuilding lifestyle must be discontinued and muscle integrity can be restored.
I'll go into greater detail later. It's the long term drug use and the bodybuilding lifestyle that causes it. It's too much stress over a long period of time.
That is all.

good post

genuinely interested to read the full explanation

looks like wolf might be getting it

how come dexter hasn't

Taffin · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:10:23 AM »

So in that case it would appear there might be a Palumboism test then? https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adrenal-fatigue-quiz

Wiggs · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:18:27 AM »

Quote from: Taffin on October 23, 2015, 10:10:23 AM

So in that case it would appear there might be a Palumboism test then? https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adrenal-fatigue-quiz

Yes and no. This type of adrenal fatigue is induced in a way not normally seen. Via PEDs, weightlifting and copious amounts of foods for years on end.

io856 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:27:41 AM »

Too much reliance on T3 and fat burners
Not enough focus on anticatabolism
Too much activity, too much stress
Onset of muscular weakness leading to subpar weight training (more drugs to compensate, more stress on body)
Potentially exhausted anabolic processes (more steroids to compensate, more stress on body)
Insulin resistance spreading throughout body via long term abuse of rHGH and insulin
Heavily reduced nutrient uptake and absorption (increasing food intake and dosages of slin and rhgh to compensate compounding the insulin resistance)

Wiggs · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:33:39 AM »

Quote from: io856 on October 23, 2015, 10:27:41 AM

Too much reliance on T3 and fat burners
Not enough focus on anticatabolism
Too much activity, too much stress
Onset of muscular weakness leading to subpar weight training
Potentially exhausted anabolic processes
Insulin resistance spreading throughout body via long term abuse of rHGH and insulin

The key is too much stress. Bodybuilders are unique in their lifestyle and on the pro level, the drug use. severe adrenal fatigue leads to muscle wasting. particularly in the legs and buttocks. All what you said contributes to adrenal fatigue. Adrenal glands are stress glands. Adrenal fatigue puts you in a catabolic state.

io856 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:42:58 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on October 23, 2015, 10:33:39 AM

The key is too much stress. Bodybuilders are unique in their lifestyle and on the pro level, the drug use. severe adrenal fatigue leads to muscle wasting. particularly in the legs and buttocks. All what you said contributes to adrenal fatigue. Adrenal glands are stress glands. Adrenal fatigue puts you in a catabolic state.

Yep exactly
Was just exploring some of the stressors
A serious bodybuilder for the most part has accustomed their bodies to huge amounts of stress.
Sometimes somethings gotta give... Especially when continually raising the bar...
I think some bodybuilder's are going to be more susceptible to adrenal fatigue than others.

What I don't understand is that a bodybuilder especially a competitive one is so in tune with their bodies why they do not recognise burn out and act accordingly

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:52:19 AM »

There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue

Wiggs · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:56:18 AM »

Because no one knows why. They are wrong. They think it's just the drugs and receptor downgrade.

PalumboIsm is really two things

It's adrenal fatigue as mentioned. And the gut. The gut is a combo of visceral fat, organ growth and too much food. Poor abdominal control as well. The reason it's poor is because of the food and organ growth. The reason the abs blur is because of visceral fat.

As you can see with all this, it's never just one thing. It affects many other things and people look at the symptoms as the problems and not as symptoms.

io856 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:58:02 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 23, 2015, 10:52:19 AM

There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue

I have often read about adrenal fatigue as a fallacy.
Would you agree upon some of the contributory factors I listed earlier?
I think insulin resistance is playing a big role here.
What are your thoughts on the topic?

Papper · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:58:14 AM »

Quote from: io856 on October 23, 2015, 10:42:58 AM

Yep exactly
Was just exploring some of the stressors
A serious bodybuilder for the most part has accustomed their bodies to huge amounts of stress.
Sometimes somethings gotta give... Especially when continually raising the bar...
I think some bodybuilder's are going to be more susceptible to adrenal fatigue than others.

What I don't understand is that a bodybuilder especially a competitive one is so in tune with their bodies why they do not recognise burn out and act accordingly

Imagine a bodybuilder with his type of drive and maybe also "bigorexia" watching his arms and legs getting smaller and gut growing. What is his reaction? To take it easy for a while and take a break? No, he will be at it, even harder, trying to compensate for his fear of getting smaller. He will probably up both food, doses and workouts and put his body through hell.

Some are more susceptible than other but I think some can't stop. Even when they're in the hospital, they continue... countless examples.

Taffin · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:01:10 AM »

Oh oh! I think maybe I might be suffering from AF!

How can I tell if my adrenals are fatigued?
You may be experiencing adrenal fatigue if you regularly notice one or more of the following:*
- You feel tired for no reason.
- You have trouble getting up in the morning, even when you go to bed at a reasonable hour.
- You are feeling rundown or overwhelmed.
- You have difficulty bouncing back from stress or illness.
- You crave salty and sweet snacks.
- You feel more awake, alert and energetic after 6PM than you do all day

Nether Animal · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:04:28 AM »

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Wiggs · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:05:55 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 23, 2015, 10:52:19 AM

There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue

Pardon me, non-Addisons. Whatever you want to call it. Many people live a lifestyle where their bodies are in a constantly stressed state whether it be from drugs, lack of nutrition, relationships, career etc. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you're walking around in a state of being as if you were being chased by a lion, over time your body will show the results of your stressed system. This is Adrenal fatigue or non-Addisons.

Wiggs · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:09:50 AM »

Quote from: Taffin on October 23, 2015, 11:01:10 AM

Oh oh! I think maybe I might be suffering from AF!

How can I tell if my adrenals are fatigued?
You may be experiencing adrenal fatigue if you regularly notice one or more of the following:*
You feel tired for no reason.
You have trouble getting up in the morning, even when you go to bed at a reasonable hour.
You are feeling rundown or overwhelmed.
You have difficulty bouncing back from stress or illness.
You crave salty and sweet snacks.
You feel more awake, alert and energetic after 6PM than you do all day

We get it. You don't believe it so you're making a mockery of it. Ha ha funny. Take the most poorly written thing you can find and us it as an example to discredit what it is you don't agree with it. You sneaky guy.

viking1 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:10:27 AM »

The people who have to wake up with a pot of coffee and no food until the evening.

HonestBob · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:13:21 AM »

Quote from: io856 on October 23, 2015, 10:27:41 AM

Too much reliance on T3 and fat burners
Not enough focus on anticatabolism
Too much activity, too much stress
Onset of muscular weakness leading to subpar weight training (more drugs to compensate, more stress on body)
Potentially exhausted anabolic processes (more steroids to compensate, more stress on body)
Insulin resistance spreading throughout body via long term abuse of rHGH and insulin
Heavily reduced nutrient uptake and absorption (increasing food intake and dosages of slin and rhgh to compensate compounding the insulin resistance)

Great post.

I'd add nerve damage caused by wear and tear / jabbing to that list.

Taffin · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:19:19 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on October 23, 2015, 11:09:50 AM

We get it. You don't believe it so you're making a mockery of it. Ha ha funny. Take the most poorly written thing you can find and us it as an example to discredit what it is you don't agree with it. You sneaky guy.

No no - absolutely not Mr W! I have nowhere near enough knowledge of the subject to comment snarkily - that was nothing more than a (very) poor (almost) joke about my own physical decrepitude, based on that transparently poorly written list. Blame too-subtle UK sarcasm if you will. For all I know you are 100% right...

Wiggs · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:20:21 AM »

Quote from: Taffin on October 23, 2015, 11:19:19 AM

No no - absolutely not Mr W! I have nowhere near enough knowledge of the subject to comment snarkily - that was nothing more than a (very) poor (almost) joke about my own physical decrepitude, based on that transparently poorly written list. Blame too-subtle UK sarcasm if you will. For all I know you are 100% right...

Sorry for being an asshole.lol

Wiggs · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:23:28 AM »

Quote from: HonestBob on October 23, 2015, 11:13:21 AM

Great post.

I'd add nerve damage caused by wear and tear / jabbing to that list.

for sure

Taffin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:24:46 AM »

Quote from: Taffin on October 23, 2015, 11:19:19 AM

No no - absolutely not Mr W! I have nowhere near enough knowledge of the subject to comment snarkily - that was nothing more than a (very) poor (almost) joke about my own physical decrepitude, based on that transparently poorly written list. Blame too-subtle UK sarcasm if you will. For all I know you are 100% right...

In fact, add struggling to take a piss in the middle of the night and I've definitely got all the symptoms!

Taffin · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:26:08 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on October 23, 2015, 11:20:21 AM

Sorry for being an asshole.lol

That's OK, maybe we should leave this conversation until after 6pm, when you'll perk up a little...

io856 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:26:44 AM »

Quote from: Taffin on October 23, 2015, 11:26:08 AM

That's OK, maybe we should leave this conversation until after 6pm, when you'll perk up a little...

Wiggs · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:30:37 AM »

Quote from: Taffin on October 23, 2015, 11:26:08 AM

That's OK, maybe we should leave this conversation until after 6pm, when you'll perk up a little...

lolol that big of a difference huh?

Wiggs · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2015, 11:35:13 AM »

A great example of the aging effect is Justin Compton and Markus Ruhl. These guys went from Steve Rodgers to the Incredible Hulk. Thier bodies went through a tremendous amount of stress to get there in a relatively short period of time. It shows through the aging of thier faces. I think it's common knowledge now that too much stress = aging.