Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer

[liberty]

Guarantee you that Sherrif was told exactly what to say...possibly by ther mayor or govenor or both

[Agnostic007]

As was expected.

Political decision. He says the faculty backs Fields, the  student who took the video supported Fields, Fields got high marks on a recent inspection etc etc. That he shouldn't have "let go" of the student is a pretty sorry reason to decide to terminate. Next time, just all the Sheriff. Again, that wouldn't have been my first option, but firing over it.. a bit much

[Agnostic007]

COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) -
The FBI will take the lead in investigating the incident involving a Spring Valley High School resource officer seen slamming and dragging a female student in a viral video released late Monday afternoon.



FBI....guess there isn't much going on these days and they're bored.

[mr.turbo]

I like this answer

Often times schools misuse the Resource officers and the Resource officers forget they aren't there to enforce "house rules" but enforce the law and maintain order.  However, there is a point when it would become criminal. If the administrator informed the officer she is being expelled and to remove her from the school property, then it is criminal trespass at that point and the officer has legal authority. If it were just to take her to the office.. that would not be his job.

  

I find it very strange to arrest a student sitting silently at their desk.  Just continue the class let the other kids leave and handle it after class. Schools can be pretty cult like, the teacher and admin had no problem with the way it was handled for example, this kind of thing is routine.

[Parker]

Who knows what their relationship is like, though.  That's the sick part.

Now I wonder if there is domestic violence within it?

[Rudee]

Sheriff: School officer fired after tossing student in class
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/lawyer-teen-suffered-several-injuries-in-classroom-arrest/

The Hebrew will claim emotional stress and trauma from being flipped out of her desk, and receive a million dollar settlement.   That's typically how this works.   

[Agnostic007]

The Hebrew will claim emotional stress and trauma from being flipped out of her desk, and receive a million dollar settlement.   That's typically how this works.   

That toss was the best thing to happen to her in a loooong time I'm guessing

[Las Vegas]

Now I wonder if there is domestic violence within it?

I do, too.  I think there are lots of relationships with mixed couples trying to use race against each other, sadly enough.

[deadz]

That toss was the best thing to happen to her in a loooong time I'm guessing

How would you have handled that situation?

[The Ugly]

Political decision. He says the faculty backs Fields, the  student who took the video supported Fields, Fields got high marks on a recent inspection etc etc. That he shouldn't have "let go" of the student is a pretty sorry reason to decide to terminate. Next time, just all the Sheriff. Again, that wouldn't have been my first option, but firing over it.. a bit much

Absolutely, everyone running scared, worried about their own careers. As they should, it would seem.

[K1RB]

This is a great thread-lots of sides to this story and some valid arguments-
Was it excessive? Yes. Could this have been avoided if she listened? Yes.
Do kids nowadays  see authority the way we did? No.

Here is a question for you-
How would you feel (honestly) if this was your daughter?

[deadz]

This is a great thread-lots of sides to this story and some valid arguments-
Was it excessive? Yes. Could this have been avoided if she listened? Yes.
Do kids nowadays  see authority the way we did? No.

Here is a question for you-
How would you feel (honestly) if this was your daughter?

Her parents failed at raising a decent human.

[Victor VonDoom]

If the parents did it first, the cop wouldn't have to.

x2.  Bah!

[Las Vegas]

This is a great thread-lots of sides to this story and some valid arguments-
Was it excessive? Yes. Could this have been avoided if she listened? Yes.
Do kids nowadays  see authority the way we did? No.

Yes, but of course we KNOW that many kids won't listen.  I don't think we could find a greater truism if we searched forever.  We couldn't find a more expected thing in a million years of searching, in fact.

Here is a question for you-
How would you feel (honestly) if this was your daughter?

And you could see that her skull might get smashed on the wall, or that her neck could get broken at the hands of a full grown man.

[Agnostic007]

How would you have handled that situation?

It's hard to say. It's a bad position to be in no matter what. Almost any physical contact with the subject can come across as monstrous if they are resisting and start screaming and jerking about. And there are a lot of things you could try that would likely be ineffective, making you look like an idiot while trying to be gentle. I've gotten people out of the car that didn't want to come out by joint lock, pressure point or just plain brute force on occasion but his idea would have worked had the chair been a secured to the ground vehicle seat. And honestly, had he applied a joint lock and she screamed and struggled and the chair fell over we'd still be having this conversation. Getting someone to do something they don't want to rarely looks pretty in real life.

Having said all that, I would have probably grabbed her arm and gave her instructions to get up.. which she would have refused.  I would give her a direct order explaining she will be arrested if she doesn't comply. I would likely have went ahead at that point and handcuffed her while she was seated and asked an administrator to grab one side while I grabbed the other and unassed her from the chair and walk her out. There are pressure points under the ear that are a good place to start. There is a nasty thumb lock that I've found to be very effective on passive resisting subjects.  But if I were that cops boss, I wouldn't fire him for that specific incident, but I would insure he has either a refresher, or initial training on dealing with non compliant resistance so this is handled differently next time.         

[bradistani]

its just as shocking that a copper had to be called in to deal with a triviality such as this

[Las Vegas]

It's hard to say. It's a bad position to be in no matter what. Almost any physical contact with the subject can come across as monstrous if they are resisting and start screaming and jerking about. And there are a lot of things you could try that would likely be ineffective, making you look like an idiot while trying to be gentle. I've gotten people out of the car that didn't want to come out by joint lock, pressure point or just plain brute force on occasion but his idea would have worked had the chair been a secured to the ground vehicle seat. And honestly, had he applied a joint lock and she screamed and struggled and the chair fell over we'd still be having this conversation. Getting someone to do something they don't want to rarely looks pretty in real life.

Having said all that, I would have probably grabbed her arm and gave her instructions to get up.. which she would have refused.  I would give her a direct order explaining she will be arrested if she doesn't comply. I would likely have went ahead at that point and handcuffed her while she was seated and asked an administrator to grab one side while I grabbed the other and unassed her from the chair and walk her out. There are pressure points under the ear that are a good place to start. There is a nasty thumb lock that I've found to be very effective on passive resisting subjects. But if I were that cops boss, I wouldn't fire him for that specific incident, but I would insure he has either a refresher, or initial training on dealing with non compliant resistance so this is handled differently next time.         

You can't have someone like that who will attract lawsuits, though.  Someone in that position should have a little common sense rattling around his can.

[doison]

I attended a high school that had the 2nd worst suspension rate in new york city. The NYPD has their own desk/office inside the school, which is also patrolled by the NYPD.

Anyway, the cops behavior would not have worked on a kid in that high school, nor would it have elicited long term change in the student's behavior. Do that to a gang member and see how quick it escalates to someone getting killed.

This cop/peace officers (whatever he is) felt like a big man doing it to a female junior high school student. It would have been a whole different story if he was in a high school with extremely violent students.

Yeah, he should have coddled her lest she get mad and kill someone
Brilliant approach to life. 


What's your favorite brand of tampon?

[Las Vegas]

The dude was out of control.  Wrong person for the job.

[The Ugly]

I find it very strange to arrest a student sitting silently at their desk.  Just continue the class let the other kids leave and handle it after class. Schools can be pretty cult like, the teacher and admin had no problem with the way it was handled for example, this kind of thing is routine.

Right, like the guy who isn't presently burglarizing the house when cops finally catch up. That shit happened earlier, why on earth arrest him NOW when he's so not stealing anything?

And, of course, your suggestions don't undermine the teacher's authority one bit. I'm sure all the other would-be turds (who now know they can punk this teacher at will) wouldn't even consider disrupting the class next week.

[Agnostic007]

This is a great thread-lots of sides to this story and some valid arguments-
Was it excessive? Yes. Could this have been avoided if she listened? Yes.
Do kids nowadays  see authority the way we did? No.

Here is a question for you-
How would you feel (honestly) if this was your daughter?

Was it excessive? Perhaps. Was it worth firing for? I don't think so, not based on that alone.

Often times when reviewing videos of force used by cops, I think "I wouldn't have done it that way" which is true. But it doesn't render the officers actions wrong automatically. Was it a violation of policy? Was it excessive? Was it an abuse are things we focus on and often times officers won't agree, just like citizens may not agree. Obviously there are the ones that are so blatant it obvious, like shooting the guy in the back when he is 20 ft away and running away. Or the elderly gentleman Patel who was violently slammed to the ground, but I don't think this one fits that mold

If it were my daughter, I would be shocked she disobeyed a teacher, principal and a cop. I wouldn't pat the cop on the back should I pass him in the hall, may not be thrilled about it but I wouldn't hold it against him.

[Las Vegas]

Is it possible that a teenage girl was having a terrible day and was feeling crushed by some emotion unrelated to the scene?

[The Ugly]

Her parents failed at raising a decent human.

You're assuming two, or that either even tried. Whole different world we're living in now.

[Las Vegas]

I read the girl was new to the school, was very quiet and kept to herself.

[The Ugly]

Yes, but of course we KNOW that many kids won't listen.  I don't think we could find a greater truism if we searched forever.  We couldn't find a more expected thing in a million years of searching, in fact.

And you could see that her skull might get smashed on the wall, or that her neck could get broken at the hands of a full grown man.

... or the kid across the room, who trips on the computer cord trying to intervene. Or the helpful teacher rushing over from across the hall, slips on a carelessly discarded banana peel ...