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Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« on: October 28, 2015, 12:09:05 PM »
CNBC is hosting tonight’s Republican presidential debate, and the business news network is likely to press candidates on their views on fiscal and economic policy. This presents a great opportunity to raise questions about the proposals offered by the new GOP frontrunner, Ben Carson, who is leading polls among Iowa Republicans and tops the most recent New York Times/CBS News survey of Republican voters nationwide. While Carson’s string of bigoted and head-scratching statements have received the most attention from the media, his fiscal plan deserve scrutiny, as it relies on pure fantasy. His policies include:

Amending the U.S. Constitution with a Balanced Budget Amendment
Refusing to ever raise the debt ceiling
Establishing a flat 10 percent rate that he said was inspired by the Bible
Ordering cuts of 3 to 4 percent across federal departments, except defense
Essentially, Carson plans to dramatically reduce revenues with huge tax cuts for high earners (while raising taxes on the 47 percent of people who — while responsible for paying other forms of taxes — do not owe federal income taxes), approve some spending cuts while reversing the current dip in defense spending, and then magically balance the budget by the end of his first term all the while running the risk of creating a global financial crisis due to his refusal to raise the debt limit.

As Tim Worstall of the conservative Adam Smith Institute wrote in Forbes, Carson’s plan flies in the face of “the simplest of logic and mental arithmetic.”

The watchdog group Citizens for Tax Justice ran the numbers on Carson’s Bible-based 10 percent flat tax, and the results were striking. The group found that his proposal “would yield tax revenues of only $1.1 trillion.” Compare that to the country’s current budget outlook, where the government expects to take in approximately $3.5 trillion in tax revenue and spend around $4 trillion. Carson’s proposal would cover just over a quarter of current spending levels.

However, Carson has not revealed where he would find trillions of dollars in cuts to balance the budget, which he would require himself to do through the Balanced Budget Amendment. Instead, Carson would balloon the deficit, which this year sunk to $435 billion, by $3 trillion.

Carson insists on the stump that a freeze on federal spending will balance the budget in just four years: “We don’t raise it one penny for three or four years and the budget will be balanced, just like that.”

But he offers no realistic plan to make up for the massive revenue shortfall resulting from his biblical tax policy.

Carson said that he would impose a government hiring freeze and order cuts for departmental budgets of between 3 to 4 percent. Slate’s Jordan Weissmann points out that even if “you were to cut all federal outlays, including Medicare, Medicaid, military spending, and social security, by 4 percent, you would save less than $150 billion.” Weissmann also noted that a strict government hiring freeze “would only save about $50 billion over a decade.”

Weissmann’s admittedly generous estimates are even more generous when you consider the fact that Carson has said he would not cut defense spending, the largest outlay of U.S. discretionary spending, and that his Medicare and Medicaid replacement plan would likely cost more than the current health system.

Even using Weissmann’s figure, which is already too kind, Carson doesn’t come anywhere close to making up for the trillions of dollars in lost revenue that would result from his flat tax.

The presidential candidate also doesn’t seem to understand how the debt ceiling works.

The debt ceiling allows the government to borrow money in order to “fund obligations already legislated by Congress.” Without doing so, the U.S. is at risk of default.

In an interview with Marketplace, though, Carson said he would oppose raising the debt ceiling and pledged that if elected president he “would not sign an increased budget.” Of course, increased budget spending is not the same as raising the debt ceiling, which covers money Congress has already allocated. He also told Marketplace’s Kai Ryssdal that he would prevent a default on the debt by telling the government to “get on the stick.” Carson similarly told The Hill that “there will not be any budget signed that increases our debt ceiling” when he’s president.

Economists across the board agree that a failure to raise the debt ceiling would have catastrophic effects on not just America’s economy but also the global financial system.

While Carson is quite sure that his policies will balance the budget “just like that” and foreclose any need to raise the debt ceiling, his plan would, if anything, lead to a huge increase in the deficit while at the same time risking a financial crisis.

Carson’s proposal is an obvious pipe dream in which the U.S. can easily fix its fiscal problems with enormous tax breaks for high earners and vague spending cuts, and it should not be taken seriously even by a media that always tries to find “both sides” to a story.

But it appears that Carson’s disastrous plan hasn’t disqualified him in the party that invariably touts the laughable claim that it is the party of fiscal responsibility. Carson is now the leading Republican contender, and his closest rival thus far is, well, Donald Trump.

This article was originally published at Right Wing Watch
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carsons-budget-plan-makes-absolutely-no-sense

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 01:54:08 PM »
Who cares it won't get passed

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 11:46:30 AM »
He tried to explain why a 10% tithe works, even tho conservative economists say no way.  "We are still working on that, but we believe it works"

He's pretty weak on economic issues. 

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2015, 11:53:02 AM »
He tried to explain why a 10% tithe works, even tho conservative economists say no way.  "We are still working on that, but we believe it works"

He's pretty weak on economic issues. 

He's pretty weak on just about everything. That he was a neurosurgeon is amazing to me after hearing him talk.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2015, 11:58:08 AM »
He's pretty weak on just about everything. That he was a neurosurgeon is amazing to me after hearing him talk.

a dude cannot lie this much, and do well with swing voters.

lying about a robbery, what is that?  Baltimore police said it didn't happen.
lying about stabbing, threat with hammer, smashing skulls with rocks - or worse, telling the truth there.

and a brain surgeon that believes 6000 years ago, there was no planet earth.  Who believes dinos and people were all hanging out.  Who believes 6000 years ago, none of this was here.   it's 2015.  We have science which shows age of things. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 12:04:08 PM »
a dude cannot lie this much, and do well with swing voters.

lying about a robbery, what is that?  Baltimore police said it didn't happen.
lying about stabbing, threat with hammer, smashing skulls with rocks - or worse, telling the truth there.

and a brain surgeon that believes 6000 years ago, there was no planet earth.  Who believes dinos and people were all hanging out.  Who believes 6000 years ago, none of this was here.   it's 2015.  We have science which shows age of things. 


It is amazing what people will believe in this day and age

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2015, 12:05:48 PM »
It is amazing what people will believe in this day and age

Or he doesn't believe it - and he's just pandering to them.

he invented a robbery, who knows what he's capable of doing. 
he claimed no relationship with a company that gave him hundreds of thousands for speeches for a decade.

who knows what all carson is lying about.  but those in his 'base', they love that, they don't care.  They'd rather be lied to.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 12:59:47 PM »
Or he doesn't believe it - and he's just pandering to them.

he invented a robbery, who knows what he's capable of doing. 
he claimed no relationship with a company that gave him hundreds of thousands for speeches for a decade.

who knows what all carson is lying about.  but those in his 'base', they love that, they don't care.  They'd rather be lied to.

haha.... Bush invented an attack by Iraq.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 08:34:37 PM »
haha.... Bush invented an attack by Iraq.


true.  Carson's imaginary attack never killed a lot of people.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2015, 07:47:00 AM »
No Federal Budget ever makes any sense.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2015, 08:24:00 AM »
No Federal Budget ever makes any sense.

carson was straight up asked after the debate - how can your 10% tithe work, do all the things you promised?

He straight up said, "we have our people working on the numbers, and we are sure it'll work"

awkward silence followed.  it was with chuck todd.  that's it.  He should have followed with "wait, that's not an answer - the experts agree 10% isn't enough, how will you just work it out?"

BUT that's called tough journalism, and as we all know, if you ask tough Qs about, say, economic policy which affects us all, then you're a liberal fascist.   Ask them about how great they are or how awesome the USA is, they have those canned answers ready.

Carson reminds me of cain - when asked about the libya mess, cain said 9-9-9 was the solution.  No, an economic domestic plan doesn't solve libya lol.

Carson hasn't done a campaign event since Oct 2.  he's selling a book, he's not a serious presidential candidate.  just like Huck and newt before him ;)

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2015, 02:24:05 PM »
I've been watching the reports on his involvement with the supplement company. Based on his speeches and videos, I would have to say he lied. Not shocking..but still

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 03:33:42 PM »
carson was straight up asked after the debate - how can your 10% tithe work, do all the things you promised?

He straight up said, "we have our people working on the numbers, and we are sure it'll work"

awkward silence followed.  it was with chuck todd.  that's it.  He should have followed with "wait, that's not an answer - the experts agree 10% isn't enough, how will you just work it out?"

BUT that's called tough journalism, and as we all know, if you ask tough Qs about, say, economic policy which affects us all, then you're a liberal fascist.   Ask them about how great they are or how awesome the USA is, they have those canned answers ready.

Carson reminds me of cain - when asked about the libya mess, cain said 9-9-9 was the solution.  No, an economic domestic plan doesn't solve libya lol.

Carson hasn't done a campaign event since Oct 2.  he's selling a book, he's not a serious presidential candidate.  just like Huck and newt before him ;)
he said it would actually be closer to 15%, but you probably didnt even watch the debate....

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2015, 03:55:37 PM »
Moderator:  We've crunched the numbers and they don't come close to 3 trillion.

Carson:  Yes they do.

Ben Carson is a true getbigger.

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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2015, 04:09:40 PM »
Moderator:  We've crunched the numbers and they don't come close to 3 trillion.

Carson:  Yes they do.

Ben Carson is a true getbigger.

 :)  Gotta respect that

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 04:34:31 PM »
Moderator:  We've crunched the numbers and they don't come close to 3 trillion.

Carson:  Yes they do.

Ben Carson is a true getbigger.

Carson lost all credibility when he defined a decade of speeches for money as "no relationship"

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 05:43:19 PM »
Carson lost all credibility when he defined a decade of speeches for money as "no relationship"

That was his answer for everything, "yes it does".  He is Sara Palin with the gift of brain surgery.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 11:42:26 PM »
That was his answer for everything, "yes it does".  He is Sara Palin with the gift of brain surgery.

the people he appeals to are the same way.  Did you hear them on getbig?

"Oh, carson addressed that".

Um, addressed?  He addressed it with a lie, and one that was easily proven within 5 minutes.  Many videos of him giving paid speeches for a company with which he "had NO relationship".  

carson supporters don't want facts.

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2015, 12:30:00 AM »
the people he appeals to are the same way.  Did you hear them on getbig?

"Oh, carson addressed that".

Um, addressed?  He addressed it with a lie, and one that was easily proven within 5 minutes.  Many videos of him giving paid speeches for a company with which he "had NO relationship".  

carson supporters don't want facts.

What are your answers to Hillary Clinton's questions?

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2015, 09:06:52 AM »
What are your answers to Hillary Clinton's questions?


she should be in prison for benghazi

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2015, 04:28:01 PM »
she should be in prison for benghazi

Specific evidence and specific charges?

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2015, 06:10:11 PM »
Specific evidence and specific charges?

The Republicans say so.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2015, 07:49:16 PM »
Specific evidence and specific charges?

She violated the 2015 Gowdy Act.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2015, 05:47:41 AM »
Right before she violated Gowdy with her foot up his ass.

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Re: Right Wing Watch: Ben Carson Budget Makes Absolutely No Sense
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2015, 05:56:54 AM »
Right before she violated Gowdy with her foot up his ass.

the repubs could have used benghazi against her for the entire election.  having it unresolved was very useful to them, this vague accusation they could use anytime.

Now we have FBI letting her skate on emailgate, and repubs shooting self in foot over benghazi.

I guess Carson and Trump could always just defeat hilary on their sane ideas and consistent conservatism.