Fuck Cardio!

[Donny]

Or you are very good at taking your muscles to failure by isolating them.
I can burn my legs out in 10 minutes on a stationary bike.

I can do it with leg extensions in one set but it is not cardio. Talking about two diffrent worlds here.

[Thin Lizzy]

I never understood why boxers run long distance when their sparring is already a shit load of cardio.  Get in a ring and start moving around for a few rounds and you'll be gassed. Doing that daily over and over is cardio enough to last a full fight.  The extra running outside seems useless.

By developing the Aerobic system you raise the threshold for when the anaerobic system kicks in. The latter is what causes you to gas. So, you want to conserve that type of energy.

[TheShape.]

no it doesnt

Nah uh, Joon said so.

[milone79]

cardio is NOT necessary in most cases....just eat less ffs....exercise to build muscle...diet to lose fat its simple in MOST cases...always some exceptions but it is not mandatory....lots of people get contest shredded with zero cardio

[cephissus]

I ride my bike to work, about an hour each way. Would be depressed out of my mind otherwise.

Don't know how people can stand being sedentary.  Drives me crazy.

If fat loss is all diet, why is everyone constantly dieting... Can't you maintain the weight you want by just 'eating less'?

[cephissus]

that would be HIT cardio, taking you to the point of muscular failure due to lactic acid build up.
Cardio in the true sense shouldnt do that, its meant to be aerobic as opposed to anaerobic.

Absolutely wrong...  I can burn 1k in an hour with zero perceptible lactic acid build up.

[Simple Simon]

I can do it with leg extensions in one set but it is not cardio. Talking about two diffrent worlds here.

I know, thats my point.
Cardio should take place with oxygen present (aerobic), if you burn out the muscle before you gas its not cardio.(anaerobic)

[Tha Grim Lifter]

I also do a high intensity cardio water sport now along with bodybuilding and have for over half the time I've trained. It helps keeps me as lean as I can be BUT you do get cravings and eat more. You definitely hold much more fluid and don't look as ripped after a few weeks of doing both which hurts fullness because you're not really holding bodyfat. The best I look is a few training sessions after a week rest period because there's no stress on the body making you hold excess fluid.

If you want to look leaner it's all diet and you need lower intensity cardio if you want to do any just to keep the metabolism going a little more. Diet manipulation is the key any hard cardio just makes you eat too much.

[Donny]

I know, thats my point.
Cardio should take place with oxygen present (aerobic), if you burn out the muscle before you gas its not cardio.(anaerobic)

yes and no. I understand where you are going with your point but your largest muscle group is quads. Now going on your hypothesis two runners one untrained and one trained should "gas" out at the same point? no of course they donīt ..why is this?  A good conditioned cardio vascular system is much more efficient in carrying oxygenated blood around your body. It is so. The non conditioned runner will feel his quads "burn" much..much faster.

[cephissus]

Tons of fluid retaining, overeating elite marathoners, cyclists, swimmers out there... But I suppose that's not 'high intensity'

Then I I guess the obese sprinters are the best evidence...

Plain and simple, bodyfat level depends in a host of factors, not one in isolation.  You can find ripped people in any sport, not just the starvation sport (bodybuilding)

[Simple Simon]

I also do a high intensity cardio water sport now along with bodybuilding and have for over half the time I've trained. It helps keeps me as lean as I can be BUT you do get cravings and eat more. You definitely hold much more fluid and don't look as ripped after a few weeks of doing both which hurts fullness because you're not really holding bodyfat. The best I look is a few training sessions after a week rest period because there's no stress on the body making you hold excess fluid.

If you want to look leaner it's all diet and you need lower intensity cardio if you want to do any just to keep the metabolism going a little more. Diet manipulation is the key any hard cardio just makes you eat too much.

Jerking off and pissing on your girlfriend isnt a sport

[Donny]

Jerking off and pissing on your girlfriend isnt a sport

now...now.... letīs not lower the tone here

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Tons of fluid retaining, overeating elite marathoners, cyclists, swimmers out there... But I suppose that's not 'high intensity'

Then I I guess the obese sprinters are the best evidence...

Plain and simple, bodyfat level depends in a host of factors, not one in isolation.  You can find ripped people in any sport, not just the starvation sport (bodybuilding)

I'm talking over a few weeks you hold more fluid. I still looked ripped generally. Even just training with weights will cause this just harder cardio will cause you to hold more, sometimes not as bad. I'm not talking about bodyfat the guys you mentioned will of course hold low bodyfat but don't have as much muscle either to see what a bodybuilder sees.

All sports require high intensity. Going through the water is very hard, harder than say running without the same resistance.

[Wiggs]

The point is that exercise is an extremely inefficient way to reduce body fat as compared to caloric restriction.

yes, 80% diet, 20% exercise.

[oldtimer1]

Never understood the one hour of cardio for bodybuilders. I see it in the gym all the time. Guys walking on a treadmill slower than the walk they took going from the parking lot to the gym door. Run hard for a mile or at the most 3 miles. A guy in his twenties should be able to easily run two miles in 16 minutes after lifting.

It's intensity over duration when you want to combine cardio effectively with lifting.

[Donny]

Never understood the one hour of cardio for bodybuilders. I see it in the gym all the time. Guys walking on a treadmill slower than the walk they took going from the parking lot to the gym door. Run hard for a mile or at the most 3 miles. A guy in his twenties should be able to easily run two miles in 16 minutes after lifting.

It's intensity over duration when you want to combine cardio effectively with lifting.

not everyone walks for an hour. I think and not boasting here but i could take a weighted rucksack of say 35 kilos + cross country and lose most here.

[Set It Up]

not everyone walks for an hour. I think and not boasting here but i could take a weighted rucksack of say 35 kilos + cross country and lose most here.

question for you Donny

You seem to give out a lot of advice (ie cardio thread, over 45 thread). Dont you think it is a bit ridiculous, especially on this site for someone who we have no idea what they look like physically to give out training advice? After all, we all clearly saw the fault in that when that pumpster or pumpsomething guy who gave out tons of advice turned out to be an obese wooden toothed frightening sight who had no comprehension of training. I think the majority of people on here also lean to the side that you dont train at all and are simply an out of shape alcoholic who thinks he knows a lot.

[Thin Lizzy]

I ride my bike to work, about an hour each way. Would be depressed out of my mind otherwise.

Don't know how people can stand being sedentary.  Drives me crazy.

If fat loss is all diet, why is everyone constantly dieting... Can't you maintain the weight you want by just 'eating less'?

They can't. Those who fail at weight loss view dieting as a temp job, when it needs to be a lifestyle change.

The failure to make this distinction is the reason for the "Yoyo" effect.

[Donny]

They can't. Those who fail at weight loss view dieting as a temp job, when it needs to be a lifestyle change.

The failure to make this distinction is the reason for the "Yoyo" effect.

yes and the same with cardio ..you gotta do it and regular. I can assure anyone on here that if you follow a cardio training programme year round and lift you will not be fat. Itīs about stickability .. you can or you canīt.

[Set It Up]

yes and the same with cardio ..you gotta do it and regular. I can assure anyone on here that if you follow a cardio training programme year round and lift you will not be fat. Itīs about stickability .. you can or you canīt.

220 am
loaded
talking about shit he has no clue about

panty

[Donny]

220 am
loaded
talking about shit he has no clue about

panty

please follow my advice. I saw your video on "fatman training" you called it yourself. Josh i laughed so much i farted,,honestly .

[Set It Up]

please follow my advice. I saw your video on "fatman training" you called it yourself. Josh i laughed so much i farted,,honestly .

Tomorrow is Rememberance Day
I for one could never say enough thanks to honour those who have served. It takes massive balls and is an amazing contribution to their country.

You however represent the opposite.
You disgust me, and others with your fake war stories, lying about serving and trying to take advantage of people hoping they kiss your ass. It is beyond clear you lie abut serving in the army, and I hope one day someone who has put their life on the line kicks your drunk skull in for lying about it. Lying about serving in the military is as low as one can go, and you reached that level. You are a shitty human being Donny.

[Donny]

Tomorrow is Rememberance Day
I for one could never say enough thanks to honour those who have served. It takes massive balls and is an amazing contribution to their country.

You however represent the opposite.
You disgust me, and others with your fake war stories, lying about serving and trying to take advantage of people hoping they kiss your ass. It is beyond clear you lie abut serving in the army, and I hope one day someone who has put their life on the line kicks your drunk skull in for lying about it. Lying about serving in the military is as low as one can go, and you reached that level. You are a shitty human being Donny.

josh take your little doggie out

[Set It Up]

josh take your little doggie out

Donny
This is fact. If you served and proved it on here, I would kiss your ass and never say a bad word about you again. Men and women who serve are remarkable (other than Navy Mike who is an asshole), and I am so thankful for them. You on the other hand have fabricated stories of serving to make yourself look good. However, by never proving it you have more than shown you are lying about this and are an embarrassment and need to apologize to people who actually did serve.

[Go 4 It]

Best form of cardio=swimming.