Do you LOL at "overtraining?"

[Thong Maniac]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KO23tDSFNSs

This dude explains that its bullshit. I kinda like his story telling style too, kept me interested

Either way, cyclists got huge quads, construction workers got huge forearms, gymnasts huge triceps...all from daily work. I think the oonce a week method for a natty or semi enhanced lifter is absolute bull and just a way to sell more fat burner supps and protein fart powder to kids

[El Diablo Blanco]

When I'm on my 18th set of my 9th exercise I LOL real loud and carry on.

[ritch]

Well, that settles that then!
Over training does not exist.

/thread.

[El Diablo Blanco]

In reality overtraining comes from people that also work full time and do other things in their lives.  if you can train most of the day, eat well, take the right drugs and get enough sleep then your set.  Now for the construction worker big forearm thing, I'm not sure where this comes from.  Most I see don't have big forearms at all. Sounds like some stereotype myth.  I know a few mechanics with big forearms but they are also gym rats.

[Thong Maniac]

Well, that settles that then!
Over training does not exist.

/thread.

Hey ritch, we missed u bro. I started a thread asking where u had gone a month ago. Glad your back.
So whats your take on daily chest or bicep training?

[Voice of Doom]

In this economy who has time to "over train"

 

[Tha Grim Lifter]

You can't really overtrain the first 6 months much unless you go nuts.

After a year of training you are stronger and have to judge what you need. I noticed my bodyweight stalled and strength stalled just after training 15 months until I pretty much cut what I was doing in half and then I started blowing up again.

Yes some sprint cyclists have big legs. If you only trained a few bodyparts clearly they would get all the recovery even if you trained them all the time. Bodybuilders train all bodyparts and the body needs time to recover.

[ritch]

Hey ritch, we missed u bro. I started a thread asking where u had gone a month ago. Glad your back.
So whats your take on daily chest or bicep training?

just daily?
Gotta get serious man and do lower chest am, mid chest after noon then upper chest pm.
Same for principle for biceps.

[BB]

It depends, if you're training with near maximal weights, and have a normal life, there is something to it. I do think most of it is mental, and the physical part isn't that big a deal, certainly not the "omg, I have the adrenal fatigue, and I'm hardgainer" type thing that some push. It's more of a mellow out and have an extra sandwich for a couple of days type problem.

As with most things, there's a time to grind it out, and a time to hang back.  

[Go 4 It]

I trained 6 months straight without a day off. ..i just go with how i feel..if i have energy i train..even on off days I'll stiil do cardio, abs, push ups, pull ups.  

[Frank Reynolds]

It varies person to person. Some people produce/filter waste chemicals/enzymes faster.

[doison]

Leave it to lazy meathead to convince themselves that they'll have worse progress if they work too hard

[BB]

 Now for the construction worker big forearm thing, I'm not sure where this comes from.  Most I see don't have big forearms at all. Sounds like some stereotype myth.  I know a few mechanics with big forearms but they are also gym rats.

It's more of an old time manual labor thing, back when those stereotypes took hold, there was more hand tool usage, etc...., so they sort of got a training effect through work. I doubt there's nearly as much axe, sledge, shovel, wrench, etc.... work in the trades as back then. Also the standards of what was big back where much lower. 5'10 - 6', and 180 - 200lbs was huge once upon a time.

[_aj_]

I believe in overtraining precisely because I only have a certain amount of time to train and it helps me mentally to think that I am as big as I possibly could be.

[local hero]

I've said this many times... Train everything twice or three times per week and you will look no different than what you would training everything once

Training twice a day, or whatever such nonsense is mental illness

[Thin Lizzy]

I LOL at people who spend the whole day in gyms or on running trails and fancy themselves as elite athletes when they're really bums.

[devilsmile]

You can't really overtrain the first 6 months much unless you go nuts.

After a year of training you are stronger and have to judge what you need. I noticed my bodyweight stalled and strength stalled just after training 15 months until I pretty much cut what I was doing in half and then I started blowing up again.

Yes some sprint cyclists have big legs. If you only trained a few bodyparts clearly they would get all the recovery even if you trained them all the time. Bodybuilders train all bodyparts and the body needs time to recover.

like jason genova said "I'm a bodybuilder, he's just a fitness competetor"

[ritch]

Then again....

It's easy to train hard but hard to train smart.

A concept too complicated for most meat heads to understand...

[cephissus]

Overtraining obviously exists.  Try doing your 1rm squat every minute for 48 hours straight.

Beyond the obvious, though, the term is applied to such wildly different things.  I think the main problem is that 99% of bodybuilding enthusiasts are too fucking stupid to pause and think, 'wait, maybe this guy I'm arguing with means something other than what I'm assuming.'

I think doing a real sport in conjunction with weight lifting would be illuminating, though, for many.

[Thong Maniac]

Leave it to lazy meathead to convince themselves that they'll have worse progress if they work too hard

This

[Thong Maniac]

Sounds like you think the OLA story was bullshit. I will still try it though, along with more food. I will seriously take before and afters after 3 months to guage

[lilhawk1]

If by training, we're talking about the workouts most guys do in gyms today, then yes, overtraining does not exist.  They spend about 15 minutes training and the rest talking, staring at women, on their phone, looking at themselves in the mirror, etc.   worthless

[Thong Maniac]

Thats why i think 20 minutes of some weighted chest moves 5 times a week IS not over training. Not sure where and hpw that bro science started but im gonna try to disprove it cuz my chest sucks, so im a good test subject

[ritch]

If by training, we're talking about the workouts most guys do in gyms today, then yes, overtraining does not exist.  They spend about 15 minutes training and the rest talking, staring at women, on their phone, looking at themselves in the mirror, etc.   worthless

Ya make a solid point there... These fuckers are starting to drag me down. The gym environment sucks ass big time. Everyone on their fuckin' phones, nobody training hard, meh...

[Lustral]

I've said this many times... Train everything twice or three times per week and you will look no different than what you would training everything once

Training twice a day, or whatever such nonsense is mental illness

I dont get your point here. For me i can hit legs once every 5-7 days balls to the wall and thats plenty... except for my shitty calves which need to be reminded with workouts often that they need to grow. Added 2 inches in a year or so by upping volume on calves and making them a part of every workout. Similarly triceps lagging... so hit them twice as often... they grew.

So no, training once per week did not yield the same result. It yielded worse.

As for overtraining, go with how you feel. I train tired often, or if i might not feel like it, but if i feel next to dead i will organise something so i cannot possibly make gym that day. I have a hard time relaxing and doing fuck all so need to focus on something.