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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2015, 05:17:16 PM »
I have a hard time relaxing and doing fuck all so need to focus on something.

x2, that's why I went crazy back when I thought i couldn't 'make gains' unless I trained 4 times week and avoided any excess activity like the plague... Gotta 'recover' ::)

'Dieting' was even worse. Sit on your ass starving all day, eat less to do less.  Never again.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2015, 05:32:33 PM »
x2, that's why I went crazy back when I thought i couldn't 'make gains' unless I trained 4 times week and avoided any excess activity like the plague... Gotta 'recover' ::)

'Dieting' was even worse. Sit on your ass starving all day, eat less to do less.  Never again.

Im with ya on this man. Im gonna eat more to do more. Gonna lift all the bodyparts i want, eat alot, enjoy life and stop doing dumb crdio other than walks

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2015, 06:01:51 PM »
x2, that's why I went crazy back when I thought i couldn't 'make gains' unless I trained 4 times week and avoided any excess activity like the plague... Gotta 'recover' ::)

'Dieting' was even worse. Sit on your ass starving all day, eat less to do less.  Never again.

The most insidious part of that creed was "do nothing else". I stopped playing tennis and doing other sports like a dolt. Sure my legs were dying for 2 days but i could surely manage another sport 2/3 days a week. Really i have myself to blame for being so stupid when i have a brain, but there you have the power of marketing. Takes experience to figure out the bollox in life.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2015, 09:34:53 PM »
Yes some sprint cyclists have big legs. If you only trained a few bodyparts clearly they would get all the recovery even if you trained them all the time. Bodybuilders train all bodyparts and the body needs time to recover.

Can we pin this to the top of EVERY SINGLE THREAD!!?????!

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2015, 11:20:19 PM »
SO doesn't matter. Made sense to me, because who the fuck wants to be in the gym longer than needed?

Got it down to 30 minutes/three-per-week, and it worked every bit as good as any volume bullshit I did years before. Thanks, Dorian.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2015, 11:36:13 PM »
So doesn't matter. Made sense to me, because who the fuck wants to be in the gym longer than needed?

Got it down to 30 minutes/three-per-week, and it worked every bit as good as any volume bullshit I did years before. Thanks, Dorian.

Exactly... And to the other gent on about lagging triceps and calves, if you went back to once a week would they now shrink ?

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2015, 11:54:46 PM »
Exactly... And to the other gent on about lagging triceps and calves, if you went back to once a week would they now shrink ?

That was my whole take. Already had decent gains; long as I maintain, still get good pumps and such, why the fuck not?

Never shrunk, got good pumps, so still whythefucknotting to this day.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2015, 12:03:26 AM »
Well tho whole concept of 'gaining' is void,,, unless your just starting out,, , you weren't training properly while eating like a bird and you suddenly train hard and eat some cals.. or unless you up your dose your not gaining anything, your treading water the rest if your life just trying to maintain what you've built

To deny this is delusional and shows you have severe bodybuild illness

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2015, 01:19:43 AM »
Well tho whole concept of 'gaining' is void,,, unless your just starting out,, , you weren't training properly while eating like a bird and you suddenly train hard and eat some cals.. or unless you up your dose your not gaining anything, your treading water the rest if your life just trying to maintain what you've built

To deny this is delusional and shows you have severe bodybuild illness

Exactly, said the same many times. Most of the time we aren't gaining shit, no matter what. :D


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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2015, 01:48:59 AM »
If you train hard and take each set to failure it is possible to over-train very easily, I tried training arms and back twice a week and after a while I would feel sharp pain in the bones and tendons of my arms when doing weighted chin ups.. I was over trained.

It's better to train with less intensity but more frequency since training only stimulates muscle growth for 48 hours. So it's best to train in a way which allows you to stimulate the muscle again in 3 days time without reaching the point of overtraining.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2015, 02:11:16 AM »
If you train hard and take each set to failure it is possible to over-train very easily, I tried training arms and back twice a week and after a while I would feel sharp pain in the bones and tendons of my arms when doing weighted chin ups.. I was over trained.

It's better to train with less intensity but more frequency since training only stimulates muscle growth for 48 hours. So it's best to train in a way which allows you to stimulate the muscle again in 3 days time without reaching the point of overtraining.

The key part of making this work I'd say is the "train with less intensity" what does that mean as I'm not totally closed to trying this. Say your best would be 100lbs for a set of 6-8 reps and only two sets of that movement for 3 movements total done once a week for all body parts.

How would I take this method of training to the kind you mention here? My CNS is no longer following despite rest periods and all. Left forearm, pec, lat not firing properly and feel some lighter training would benefit them.
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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2015, 02:25:47 AM »
Well tho whole concept of 'gaining' is void,,, unless your just starting out,, , you weren't training properly while eating like a bird and you suddenly train hard and eat some cals.. or unless you up your dose your not gaining anything, your treading water the rest if your life just trying to maintain what you've built

To deny this is delusional and shows you have severe bodybuild illness


People want to believe they can get bigger forever, but, the reality is that when you reach your adult body, you are what you are.

That said, the area where you can make gains, is not in size, but in the mind muscle link, having a greater understanding of how each muscle works.

How many of the people you see on the street who obviously work out truly understand how all their back muscles work, and could command them to this extent?


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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2015, 03:38:36 AM »
Yes, I do.  You're built to tolerate punishing circumstances and adapt.  Sitting on your ass is fine.  Just don't tell me you're 'recuperating.'


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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2015, 04:09:34 AM »

People want to believe they can get bigger forever, but, the reality is that when you reach your adult body, you are what you are.

That said, the area where you can make gains, is not in size, but in the mind muscle link, having a greater understanding of how each muscle works.

How many of the people you see on the street who obviously work out truly understand how all their back muscles work, and could command them to this extent?



"commanding" the muscle :D

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2015, 05:52:58 AM »
At my age, i cant do 5 days in a row anymore! Physically just cant do it!

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2015, 06:56:43 AM »
Just wanted to add, for just over the first 2 years I trained, I trained heavy every single week. Aiming to get stronger every single week, this was when i was 16-18. After close to 2.5 years I started needing rest periods every 6 weeks or so. Why? I was strong enough and training hard enough to put too much stress on the CNS. Nothing to do with age I was still 18-19.

The first year you train you really aren't putting that much stress on the CNS because the level you are lifting at. The weights aren't that heavy and you can't put the same level of stress on the muscle because you don't have the experience to do so.

I've been training 20 years now, I can stress the muscle with average weights, I always go to failure. I don't need to go heavy, to be fair with average weights I do the movements slower to feel it more. I can feel everything. I recently tried doing one set heavy and the next light through all bodyparts and it worked great, but i'm not going to exactly grow anymore unless I start on the gear again, it's just to do something different.

As Ben Johnson's coach Charlie Francis said and did, if his athletes broke a new PB in say the 100m sprint, he had them take 10 days off (since that's how long the CNS needs to recover) because they had stressed their body to the point with that one effort that it needed that recovery. But if they were just a kid or just up and coming then there was no need for it, the effort wasn't going to be big enough to cause enough stress on the body. With bodybuilding you can do about 6 good weeks then you need 10 days off to recover the CNS.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2015, 08:16:39 AM »
If by training, we're talking about the workouts most guys do in gyms today, then yes, overtraining does not exist.  They spend about 15 minutes training and the rest talking, staring at women, on their phone, looking at themselves in the mirror, etc.   worthless

This ^^^

To get away from my own gym once in a while I joined a commercial gym. My conclusion was exactly this. Most don't know what training really is. 90% come in with no plan and just do random BS based on "feel". Thats not training, it a workout. Sorry people, over training exists.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2015, 08:21:25 AM »
This ^^^

To get away from my own gym once in a while I joined a commercial gym. My conclusion was exactly this. Most don't know what training really is. 90% come in with no plan and just do random BS based on "feel". Thats not training, it a workout. Sorry people, over training exists.
I`ve been saying it for years Joe............."some people train....others merely workout" !

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2015, 08:26:34 AM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KO23tDSFNSs

This dude explains that its bullshit. I kinda like his story telling style too, kept me interested

Either way, cyclists got huge quads, construction workers got huge forearms, gymnasts huge triceps...all from daily work. I think the oonce a week method for a natty or semi enhanced lifter is absolute bull and just a way to sell more fat burner supps and protein fart powder to kids

Cyclists with huge quads do not go anaerobic more than twice a week or they become cyclists with little quads. That is the inevitable effect of overtraining.

I used to train with one of those big quad riders in the professional ranks and he (and I) never went "hard" more than 2x a week year round. In races you go out of your way to avoid going redline as much as possible.

Overtraining or overstimulation of your muscles is very real.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2015, 08:35:43 AM »
There are days when I can train harder and on those days, I do.  Other days, I train as hard as I can given how I feel but when it comes down to it, each session is its own.  I train as hard as I can given how I am feeling. 

In the past have trained so hard using H.I.T. that I am sore for well over a week and thereby unwilling to go back into the garage/gym to train again until I feel up to it.

I can no longer do that.  I am nearing 60 and need to take more recovery time and while that bothers my ego, I think it is what is needed for me to continue to work on my goal of being as well built and fit as I can be.  I warm up more than ever and I need to.  For example for shoulders I do several warm up sets of DB side laterals prior to shoulder presses on a (dammit!  ;D) machine.  Machines are not my favorite but they allow me to train with less pain on such movements as shoulder presses, bent over rows and incline and flat bench presses.

Currently I train between 2 and 4 times a week for between 30 minutes to an hour. I don't want to spend my life in a gym but I still put in the time so that I won't waste my life in a hospital. 

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2015, 08:41:50 AM »
Do you guys ever get apathetic?

I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.

I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol


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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2015, 08:44:25 AM »
Do you guys ever get apathetic?

I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.

I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol



Yes.  My younger brother has decided to stop lifting.  He is in his early 50s and just sees no need for it.  When that changes (and it will) he will start again. 

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2015, 09:04:53 AM »
Young people talk about "overtraining". Older people bring up words like "Tendonitis" and joint pain...

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2015, 09:27:21 AM »
Young people talk about "overtraining". Older people bring up words like "Tendonitis" and joint pain...

You bring up the central point which is whether adding more workouts is a net positive.

Maybe when you're 25 and still believe that an extra .5" on your arms and 20lbs on your bench is gonna make men more afraid of you and make women wanna have sex with you, an additional workout might be worthwhile, but, as you get older, have a better grip on reality, and don't feel the need to post pictures of yourself and brag about your lifting exploits to people who don't care if you live or die, you realize you need more time to recover and therefore workouts need to be spaced out more and performed more intelligently.

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Re: Do you LOL at "overtraining?"
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2015, 02:08:37 PM »
Do you guys ever get apathetic?

I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.

I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol



I wish I could train more... I miss the days when I got pumps, didn't have joint pain, and could actually feel my muscles.  Lifting weights feels like utter shit now, most if the time, but, like you, I can't just quit.  I feel like I would rather die than quit exercising.