Steroids are just the finishing touch!!! LOL

[Disgusted]

There is no reason to think that if you lift naturally before taking drugs then when you come off you will shrink down only to your former natural size and no smaller. Natty or not you quit lifting it all goes away. If this is a current pic of Ramy good for him for giving himself a break. Phil does the same thing. Ramy needs only to compete in the Olympia from here on in. I think he's top 3 next year if he works with someone who can bring him in condition.

[SomeKindofMonster]

Think about what each compound adds if you start natty
and are 5'10 with a medium size frame.
Roids 10-15 pounds of muscle + other water weight.
HGH which multiplies muscle cells = another 10-15 pounds.
Slin with other compounds = another 10- 15 pounds.
There's 30 pounds for a regular guy and 45 + for a hyper responder.
Ramy is still at least 280 if he was 315 stage weight at the ASC Brazil.

A base is important but drugs are the number one factor in bodybuilding
whether people want to believe it or not.
The best known for sure Natty was Paul Jean Guillaume who
won a pro show over in Russia in the late 80's.
Now, there's Doug Miller and Ronnie Coleman who passed the World Games drug test
but these are doubtful.
Paul was definitely Natty and stayed around the 176 pound mark his whole career
and didn't have that hard look of steroid users although he was very lean.
Mike Ashley could have been Natty but he developed gyno at some point that made me doubt him.

[The Scott]

No matter the size, a turd is still a turd.

[Bevo]

who is that twink slit- eyed Asian?

ramy DWARFING him

I believe it's muscle center's son

[jude2]

who is that twink slit- eyed Asian?

ramy DWARFING him

Hide the one who got busted in the airport with steroids.

[Jizmo]

wonder how guys like Yates  actually got bigger in the offseason back then???  oh that's right they had a strong foundation of muscle first.....

lmao you think yates got off in the off season? are you stupid?  

7 weeks with no gear, no gym and normal food and you will be unrecognizable guaranteed

this
anyone arguing otherwise: try it.

look at pro BBs gettign into hospitals because of medical conditions

they look like AIDS victims after not being able to train, eat or juice. not even related to their medical condition.

[Coffeed]

Even the old pics of Arnold between competitions was depressing.

If people don't think sterons balloon you up and deflate you when you're off, then they just haven't been around sterons.

[Kim Jong Bob]

lmao you think yates got off in the off season? are you stupid?  

this
anyone arguing otherwise: try it.

look at pro BBs gettign into hospitals because of medical conditions

they look like AIDS victims after not being able to train, eat or juice. not even related to their medical condition.

i did. Trained and juiced for 8 years and was quite big, stop  training and earig and juicing, was a big difference aftee 7 weeks but still big..probably after 5 months most muscle was gone

[Mitch]

Only thing that matters is how big you are onstage. No reason to be 300lbs year round.

x2. And I'm ready to bet it's also healthier to take a real break instead of those "I'm a big guy, I have to starve myself to get under 300lbs off-season". Ramy is starting his prep just in time for the Ahmed Achnuld 2016.
Yeah all illusion, no fundation, whatever. Like the other pros had any. Check Gutler gasping after a few pull-ups with 1/8th RoM of peace. Or the Texan Midget with his "brutal" inclined BP 

[ProudVirgin69]

lmao you think yates got off in the off season? are you stupid?  

this
anyone arguing otherwise: try it.

look at pro BBs gettign into hospitals because of medical conditions

they look like AIDS victims after not being able to train, eat or juice. not even related to their medical condition.

Bit of a difference between someone who just stops bc they're sick of the lifestyle and a pro who has to lose excess weight as quickly as possible due to a medical issue, wouldn't you say?

[Jizmo]

Bit of a difference between someone who just stops bc they're sick of the lifestyle and a pro who has to lose excess weight as quickly as possible due to a medical issue, wouldn't you say?

yes of course, however look at baito abbaspour (rip), or any other bodybuilder getting hospitalized...  most of them did not have to lose excess weight for medical reasons. they just did.  probably didnt even want to - look at guys on dialysis still abusing AAS
but anyone who is 300lbs shrinks like crazy without the massive gear, food and training.

[oldschoolfan]

why is ramy wearing a sweater its really hot in the middle east   i bet he smelly like a dead camel

[ProudVirgin69]

yes of course, however look at baito abbaspour (rip), or any other bodybuilder getting hospitalized...  most of them did not have to lose excess weight for medical reasons. they just did.  probably didnt even want to - look at guys on dialysis still abusing AAS
but anyone who is 300lbs shrinks like crazy without the massive gear, food and training.

Agreed 

[Mr Anabolic]

A base is important but drugs are the number one factor in bodybuilding
whether people want to believe it or not.
The best known for sure Natty was Paul Jean Guillaume who
won a pro show over in Russia in the late 80's.
Now, there's Doug Miller and Ronnie Coleman who passed the World Games drug test
but these are doubtful.
Paul was definitely Natty and stayed around the 176 pound mark his whole career
and didn't have that hard look of steroid users although he was very lean.
Mike Ashley could have been Natty but he developed gyno at some point that made me doubt him.

Mike Ashley was NOT natural.  PJG was natural, but he took diuretics before his shows.  I trained with him in San Diego a few times in 2005/06.  Very lean and strict with his diet.  I trained legs with him once, he was squatting 405 for 10 'ass to grass' reps.  Still had great arms.  Not sure what he looks like now, but I would bet he still looks good.

[Van_Bilderass]

Why would Guillaume be natural? Forget whether he was or wasn't, for what good reason would he have insisted on staying natural while prepping for the Olympia for example? Relatively small does not equate natural. Lots of smaller lying bodybuilders claim natural as some type of excuse for not being massive. If I had to bet, I'd say he did use... wouldn't even have to know what he looked like, just knowing someone competed as a pro makes them extremely unlikely to not have dabbled in gear, at least in some capacity. As we know, natural means different things to different people, but seldom drug free.

Derek Farnsworth and Chris Faildo come to mind as two other small dudes claiming natural.  But it's just some type of excuse or explanation for being "small".

PJG was natural, but he took diuretics before his shows.  

If someone is prepared to take diuretics, how likely is it they wouldn't take other drugs? It just doesn't sound likely.

[littleguns]

Is anyone that lifts weights really natural? We take Preworkouts filled with synthetic chemicals, BCAA's, DHEA compounds etc...

[Parker]

also shows just how silly modern bodybuilding has become....

It shows why he could never hold a candle to Ronnie, even though weigh as much or more.

[bigmikecox]

Only thing that matters is how big you are onstage. No reason to be 300lbs year round.

This! A LOT of guys do what he does and a lot of pro's back in the 90s did the same thing. Back then there was no social media around so fans really didnt see these guys when they are off.

[fathead]

tiny!! he must be down to 275

what a disgrace

[Thespritz0]

No matter the size, a turd is still a turd.

^^
Was he ever an asshole to you, The Scott???

[epcfitness]

So did he drop insulin completely and lower hgh to a 5iu per day dose? I don't understand it can't just be the aas. 30ius of pharm grade hgh with insulin and food gets you massive not going from 1g test to 10g test a week. You'd probably piss out the excess 9g test barely utilizing it besides getting massive sides

[The Scott]

^^
Was he ever an asshole to you, The Scott???

His so called religion is an offence to all civilized human beings.  His physique is an affront to true physical culturists.  He is the very personification of a two legged turd.

If you think otherwise, fine.  I have no problem with that.

[oldtimer1]

Been around gyms long enough to see zeros go to heroes in nothing flat juicing. I have also been around guys that juices from teens to twenties then had to quit due to finances, arrest or health. Most of them looked like they never did a push up in their life. One guy actually carried a picture of himself back in the day all bent up in his wallet. The guys I knew competed but so many just juiced to look good in the club in a tight shirt. Just insane.

I know most guys would be better off training hard naturally. Nothing wrong with being a lean 175lbs to 205lb for a guy around 5'8". You can look like a muscular athlete for many decades with the pills and syringes.

I know their are old fools juicing but many of you when you're in your 50's will know what I'm talking about. The drug muscle marvels you remember from your 20's will burn out like a flame and eventually look like complete crap.

[pellius]

So did he drop insulin completely and lower hgh to a 5iu per day dose? I don't understand it can't just be the aas. 30ius of pharm grade hgh with insulin and food gets you massive not going from 1g test to 10g test a week. You'd probably piss out the excess 9g test barely utilizing it besides getting massive sides

You can piss out a hormone?

[NickEdge779]

I deflate pretty hard as well when I take time off from the gym and diet, even though I don't really take AAS that often. I can lose a good 15 lbs in a month if I stop lifting weights and eat 1 less meal a day(usually 4 meals a day down to 3 meals) for 3-4 weeks.