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Re: "Global warming" the biggest science scandal ever...
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2015, 12:43:01 AM »
What is the evidence for any global warming? Does it mean that it will be warmer everywhere? Not necessarily. For example, the nights can be warmer but the days not so much. Depends on the clouds and air mass

movements. The evidence that is telling are glaciers and the ice caps on the north and south pole. Are they retreating? I believe they are = proof of global warming.

Ocean temperatures are important, too, so these have to be taken into account. Weather is a fickle thing. Even if places record new maximum averages that doesn't mean it will be hotter all the time. Here is Sydney there are few

mountains to affect the weather. So exactly how the climate will change with warming can't be predicted. A trend can be detected and it doesn't look good for coastal places around the Pacific. If the Ocean level rises 3 feet it will be a  

disaster to millions of people, especially when extreme storms hit and push the water higher.

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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2015, 12:47:13 AM »
But if your data doesn't agree with others, who's right? Personally "global warming" is a political scam and doesn't affect anyone one way or another. Come talk to me in a couple of hundred years and then I might agree. 
is pollution a hoax?

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« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2015, 05:41:08 AM »
I don't really understand how people who aren't scientists or at least extensively knowledgeable on the climate can have such strong feelings one way or the other on global warming. I mean to deny it you would have to either believe that you know more than the majority of scientists or that they're lying. I understand why people have their doubts but it seems like everyone either 100% believes in manmade climate change or 100% denies it...how can people who aren't particularly knowledgable in climate science have such strong convictions on it? The only answer I can think of is that it's become more of a political issue than a science issue.

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« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2015, 07:51:04 AM »
But if your data doesn't agree with others, who's right? Personally "global warming" is a political scam and doesn't affect anyone one way or another. Come talk to me in a couple of hundred years and then I might agree.  

If our data doesn't agree, then there's a flaw in collecting the data so we look at the data collecting process, figure out what went wrong and fix it.

If our interpretations (i.e. the theories we each advocate) don't agree, the answer is much simpler: we each use our theories to make predictions and observe which theory fits best - that is, which makes more accurate predictions.

Science is about the rational examination of facts and the refinement of theories that allow us to model the world around us. It's not about politics or what you believe.

Quantum mechanics was such a crazy theory - one that required reframing everything we knew about classical physics and went against things we could directly observe with our eyes. Many prominent scientists doubted the whole quantum model - and laymen made fun of the crazy wacko physicists that wouldn't even believe their eyes.

You say to come back and talk to you in a couple of hundred years. What's the point? The debate is already, largely, settled and the models we have seen to model things fairly accurately and the predicted behavior fits what is observed.

As a scientist, I remain open to the possibility that the theory can be superseded by something better and more accurate and maybe that better and more accurate theory will better interpret our data to make stunningly different predictions. I'm sure the former will happen but I'm not so sure about the latter.

Like everything else, you see things in terms of politics. You apply the same kind of blindered partisan thinking you do to everything else where if someone doesn't agree with you they're wrong. This sort of infantile thinking may work for you but it doesn't work for me.

Climate change, to the best of our understanding, is very real - your objections notwithstanding. That doesn't mean that we should go out and outlaw the internal combustion engine or legislate that the only things that comes out of factory chimneys are rainbows and happiness. But we ought to at least consider whether there are things that we can do - from increasing the percentage of energy generated from renewable sources to developing better technology to reduce pollutants.

Believe Rush and Hannity and whomever else you take scientific advice from. I'll stick to the science.

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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2015, 08:17:06 AM »
If our data doesn't agree, then there's a flaw in collecting the data so we look at the data collecting process, figure out what went wrong and fix it.

If our interpretations (i.e. the theories we each advocate) don't agree, the answer is much simpler: we each use our theories to make predictions and observe which theory fits best - that is, which makes more accurate predictions.

Science is about the rational examination of facts and the refinement of theories that allow us to model the world around us. It's not about politics or what you believe.

Quantum mechanics was such a crazy theory - one that required reframing everything we knew about classical physics and went against things we could directly observe with our eyes. Many prominent scientists doubted the whole quantum model - and laymen made fun of the crazy wacko physicists that wouldn't even believe their eyes.

You say to come back and talk to you in a couple of hundred years. What's the point? The debate is already, largely, settled and the models we have seen to model things fairly accurately and the predicted behavior fits what is observed.

As a scientist, I remain open to the possibility that the theory can be superseded by something better and more accurate and maybe that better and more accurate theory will better interpret our data to make stunningly different predictions. I'm sure the former will happen but I'm not so sure about the latter.

Like everything else, you see things in terms of politics. You apply the same kind of blindered partisan thinking you do to everything else where if someone doesn't agree with you they're wrong. This sort of infantile thinking may work for you but it doesn't work for me.

Climate change, to the best of our understanding, is very real - your objections notwithstanding. That doesn't mean that we should go out and outlaw the internal combustion engine or legislate that the only things that comes out of factory chimneys are rainbows and happiness. But we ought to at least consider whether there are things that we can do - from increasing the percentage of energy generated from renewable sources to developing better technology to reduce pollutants.

Believe Rush and Hannity and whomever else you take scientific advice from. I'll stick to the science.

yet again, sorry in advance that you wasted your time.

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« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2015, 08:28:10 AM »



seriously, how can anyone refute that the millions of cars on the roads, factories producing green house gases and the tons of shit that we dump into nature can't be a good thing.

we have cut down million of acres of forest...that can't be a good thing long term
we have polluted the entire planet..that can't be a good thing.


lol..- It's cold outside during winter so global warmer is not real.   ::)
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« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2015, 08:10:55 PM »
Joe, I'm a scientist. Science isn't partisan and data is data.

What kind of scientist?


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« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2015, 10:09:37 PM »
You can't find one person who thinks pollution isn't bad. You can't find one person that thinks that pollution on our beaches isn't bad but most think that the temp raising 1-2degrees in the last 100 years is a non-issue. Again, more bullshit to get your wallets open.

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« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2015, 10:27:42 PM »

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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2015, 10:33:07 PM »
yet again, sorry in advance that you wasted your time.

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« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2015, 10:37:25 PM »


This why I say most liberals lose their way after they graduate from brainwashing academy. That being said let me ask you this. When do you think the world is coming to and end due to "global warming" ?

*i don't expect this to be answered anytime soon.

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« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2015, 10:46:42 PM »
This why I say most liberals lose their way after they graduate from brainwashing academy. That being said let me ask you this. When do you think the world is coming to and end due to "global warming" ?

*i don't expect this to be answered anytime soon.

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« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2015, 10:51:41 PM »


So you can't answer it either. Got it.

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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2015, 10:57:20 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2015, 11:03:38 PM »
Elite Globalist end game is to get the masses all living in and around the same area. Global warming climate change is one way to making that happen...They've already closed off Antarctica. The vision is to close off many parts of the Globe and build upward. Also kill off a few billion people in the process.

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« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2015, 11:33:41 PM »
What kind of scientist?

Mostly a mathematician: I have degrees in math and computer science. I did some work with number theory which turned out to be mind-numbingly tedious, so now I do protein folding research along with the computational biology hippies.

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« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2015, 11:52:22 PM »
You can't find one person who thinks pollution isn't bad. You can't find one person that thinks that pollution on our beaches isn't bad but most think that the temp raising 1-2degrees in the last 100 years is a non-issue. Again, more bullshit to get your wallets open.

So if "most people" think that something isn't bad then it isn't?

A while ago, most people thought that CFCs didn't damage the ozone layer. They thought so without knowing what CFCs are, what ozone is, what the ozone layer is or what it does. But still, they thought so.

I am reminded of Representative Doolittle, who argued that there was no causal relationship between CFCs and ozone depletion. He ignored scientists, claiming that there was "politics within the scientific community" and he would get to the bottom of it but he didn't want to "get involved in a mumbo-jumbo of peer-reviewed documents."

Others claimed that no research was presented - despite numerous studies and testimony by scientists. And all this, by the way, was after a Nobel Prize in Chemistry had been awarded to the scientists who discovered said causal link.

So just because people who haven't looked at the data and don't understand the science don't think a change of 1 or 2 degrees isn't a big deal doesn't mean that it's not a big deal.

Reality isn't up for a vote Joe.

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« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2015, 02:34:01 AM »
This why I say most liberals lose their way after they graduate from brainwashing academy. That being said let me ask you this. When do you think the world is coming to and end due to "global warming" ?

*i don't expect this to be answered anytime soon.

what a retarded question, it's something a child would ask as the adult struggles to compute.

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« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2015, 07:48:33 AM »
Mostly a mathematician: I have degrees in math and computer science. I did some work with number theory which turned out to be mind-numbingly tedious, so now I do protein folding research along with the computational biology hippies.

One of my degrees is in engineering and the others in computer science.  It's good to have some technical people on the forum to balance out the Luddites, conspiracy nuts, and tinfoil hat wearers.

I myself am not concerned about global warming.  Taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere's as simple as planting more trees.

Tree count reaches three trillion:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34134366

More trees in America than there were 100 years ago:
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/more-trees-than-there-were-100-years-ago-its-true




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« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2015, 07:54:14 AM »
Its a good thing Al Gore created the internet, or else we'd never be able to discuss things like his Global Warming "inconvenient douche" theories...

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« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2015, 08:06:01 AM »
One of my degrees is in engineering and the others in computer science.  It's good to have some technical people on the forum to balance out the Luddites, conspiracy nuts, and tinfoil hat wearers.

I myself am not concerned about global warming.  Taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere's as simple as planting more trees.

Tree count reaches three trillion:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34134366

More trees in America than there were 100 years ago:
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/more-trees-than-there-were-100-years-ago-its-true





You honestly think it's as easy as that? as we see yosemite park now collapsing the whole forest is on the way out, new versus old growth and it's impact on ecosystems is huge as well.

Simple answers like this rarely are pancea's

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« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2015, 08:07:48 AM »
Mostly a mathematician: I have degrees in math and computer science. I did some work with number theory which turned out to be mind-numbingly tedious, so now I do protein folding research along with the computational biology hippies.

the average viewer of Fox & Friends considers your degrees worthless and would call you an elitist liberal for depending upon science, logic and fact to reach all your conclusions.

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« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2015, 08:10:58 AM »
Bigger than evolution? Tough call.

These stupid "scientists" with their "studies" and "data." Doesn't take no fancy degree to feel the 57 F here in SoCal right now. Why so cold, warm globers?

The simple answer is : less flatulence in the southern Cal area since Trump started leading in the polls.
This resulted in many illegal immigrants running back across the boarder.
Thus, less beans and burritos were eaten and less (CO2) ass gas was blown there.

Conclusion : It's warmer in southern Mexico then in California now...FACT!

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« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2015, 08:37:55 AM »
This why I say most liberals lose their way after they graduate from brainwashing academy. That being said let me ask you this. When do you think the world is coming to and end due to "global warming" ?

*i don't expect this to be answered anytime soon.

I know from personal experience that the physical science depts. of universities DON'T spend much time preaching about the end of the world due to climate change. BUT, the data is really clear that more manmade CO2 produced = overall increase in GLOBAL temp avg for the past century.

Now, to your OP main thrust...* what to do about it???*  , IS a talking point for many liberals.
Many on the far right want to claim that climate change is a hoax. BOTH are wrong.
I know a little physics and have some working knowledge about our climate and atmosphere.
What troubles me is the EXTREMES on both sides ,especially the far left liberals.

Humanity doesn't need to take any EXTREME measures to effectively deal with climate change from CO2.
For example, I just bought and love driving my 8 cyl , Mustang convertible.
I don't want to drive some faggy little "smart car " LOL.
Thanks to modern mechanical engineering, I have the HP I love but still get decent gas mileage and lower emissions.

At the end of his movie on this, Al Gore actually said we can solve this by taking just a few , moderate steps.
He felt that a 20% increase in mpg was practical and possible. That alone would result in less gas burned and less emissions produced. My new Mustang 8 cyl gets about 20% better mileage then one made 30-40 yrs ago and I still get great performance and power.

Sadly, this moderate approach isn't the one adopted by many liberal green minded groups.
Many seem more interested in how it looks , then in real , practical solutions.

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