"Global warming" the biggest science scandal ever...

[mr.turbo]

Hey guys,

Don't forget to let the left wingers running the US Navy, NASA, IBM, Coca Cola,WALMART etc. know your personal opinions on this.

I'm sure they'd be happy to detune their strategies and advocacy on the climate change issue.

(disregarding what every expert on the subject says)  

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/documents/CCR.pdf

http://time.com/4045572/big-business-climate-change/

[Necrosis]

Hey guys,

Don't forget to let the left wingers running the US Navy, NASA, IBM, Coca Cola,WALMART etc. know your personal opinions on this.

I'm sure they'd be happy to detune their strategies and advocacy on the climate change issue.

(disregarding what every expert on the subject says)  

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/documents/CCR.pdf

http://time.com/4045572/big-business-climate-change/

Scientists use to think the world was flat!! we have not advanced since that point.

[SF1900]

Hey guys,

Don't forget to let the left wingers running the US Navy, NASA, IBM, Coca Cola,WALMART etc. know your personal opinions on this.

I'm sure they'd be happy to detune their strategies and advocacy on the climate change issue.

(disregarding what every expert on the subject says)  

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/documents/CCR.pdf

http://time.com/4045572/big-business-climate-change/

HOLY SHIT, the US NAVY is part of the climate change conspiracy!!!

This runs deeper than I imagined!

[mr.turbo]

Scientists use to think the world was flat!! we have not advanced since that point.

the sun sets but we don't know if it will rise again so we pray to the sun god...anyway

There is no "debate" or even "climate change denial", there's only "consensus denial" and it revolves around this myth of some political agenda.  One would have to accept that many fortune 500 companies, the Navy and NASA are secret left-wing orgs. You have to be either crazy or dumb to believe this. Maybe bodybuilders have been taking too much equipose and started to mutate into horses. That's the only excuse I can think of.

The truth is the issue has been politicised by a group of right-wing, crazy idiots in the service of the petroleum industry and there's lots of evidence for it.  Now there's something to talk about.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/us/politics/21climate.html

[Coach is Back!]

what a retarded question, it's something a child would ask as the adult struggles to compute.

No, it's not a "retarded" question. The left are playing this off with an alarmist mentality like the earth is going to burn up anytime. With all of this "science" and 'data" I'm sure they come up with an approximate date of destruction. Remember this from the 70's?

[Necrosis]

No, it's not a "retarded" question. The left are playing this off with an alarmist mentality like the earth is going to burn up anytime. With all of this "science" and 'data" I'm sure they come up with an approximate date of destruction. Remember this from the 70's?

Alright Joe, the earth will light on fire and explode, that\s the idea.

We are seeing huge changes right now, you are just ignoring them as they are not really effecting you. We are experiencing a massive extinction of species, loss of ecosystems, collapse of old forrests like yellow stone, longer droughts, year after year of increasing temperature.

It's not black and white Joe, it's like saying you aren't ronnie coleman or have made no gains because you are not pro. Changes persist and when threshold is surpassed (like colony collapse disorder in bees) it\s too late.

[mr.turbo]

HOLY SHIT, the US NAVY is part of the climate change conspiracy!!!

This runs deeper than I imagined!

Oh.. it runs deep...don't forget the nefarious decades old left-wing plot started when Nixon Created the EPA

[avxo]

One of my degrees is in engineering and the others in computer science.  It's good to have some technical people on the forum to balance out the Luddites, conspiracy nuts, and tinfoil hat wearers.

Cool. Nice to meet a CS grad!

I myself am not concerned about global warming.  Taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere's as simple as planting more trees.

I'm not overly concerned, in the sense that we need to outlaw cars and plug catalytic converters on the tail-ends of cows and zomg zomg zomg! Nor do I think we need to bankrupt our economy by setting untenable goals for ourselves, while the rest of the world belches pollution into the atmosphere.

But I think that it's both prudent and sensible to collect the sort of data we are collecting, analyze it, make scientific predictions based on the best theories we have available and then act rationally based on those predictions.

Our best theories predict a warming trend - there is no dispute there. The questions are is the trend caused by human activity and is it something we should be worried about?

It's likely that human activity plays a role, although I don't think we can quantify, with great accuracy, how big that role is. But considering that human activity is something we have control over (unlike, say, cow farts) it seems sensible to see what effect we could have if we made changes.

Should we be worried about the climate? Yes, because if something does go very wrong with the climate, it's very likely that our species will die. Of course, this is a hugely complex system and one we don't have a great grasp on yet, so we should certainly be careful.

To that end,  I think we need to (a) move to cleaner sources of energy by expanding the generation of power from renewable sources, (b) develop better filtering and sequestration technology for industrial CO₂ and NO_x emissions, (c) innovate and improve our technology by researching batteries, solar cells, steam turbines, gen IV reactors etc and (d) set aggressive, but still tractable goals (politically, economically and societally) for pollution reduction.

Tree count reaches three trillion:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34134366

More trees in America than there were 100 years ago:
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/more-trees-than-there-were-100-years-ago-its-true

While that is great, the reality is that trees alone aren't enough in the long term.

[avxo]

No, it's not a "retarded" question. The left are playing this off with an alarmist mentality like the earth is going to burn up anytime. With all of this "science" and 'data" I'm sure they come up with an approximate date of destruction. Remember this from the 70's?

Oh man... weekly publication makes sensationalist claims on the front page in an effort to drive up sales. What a scandal! Never before have we seen such a thing...

You keep droning on about the left. To hell with the left, to hell with the right and to hell with you.

We need to look at the facts and to rationally evaluate what, if anything, we need to do based on our best understanding of the world around us. This isn't about political ideology. This isn't about your pick-up truck. Or your BBQ.

[Necrosis]

Oh man... weekly publication makes sensationalist claims on the front page in an effort to drive up sales. What a scandal! Never before have we seen such a thing...

You keep droning on about the left. To hell with the left, to hell with the right and to hell with you.

We need to look at the facts and to rationally evaluate what, if anything, we need to do based on our best understanding of the world around us. This isn't about political ideology. This isn't about your pick-up truck. Or your BBQ.

typical centrist, you just don'\t get it.

[The Ugly]

This why I say most liberals lose their way after they graduate from brainwashing academy. That being said let me ask you this. When do you think the world is coming to and end due to "global warming" ?

*i don't expect this to be answered anytime soon.

Are you at all worried your son may return from college "brainwashed," as you say?

[absfabs]

everyone knows global warming is just about cashing in on state programs by all those bio degree jerkoff who no one will hire in free market so state moral scam rapes taxpayer and lawyers now force biz to do environmental mipact study to tune of million n millions    so the payoff is just government scam payment to crony communists,     chris christie cancelld train from jersey to new york which had already run up 100mil in environmental impact studies, look it up,    100mil and they didnt even build he train!!

[mr.turbo]

everyone knows global warming is just about cashing in on state programs by all those bio degree jerkoff who no one will hire in free market so state moral scam rapes taxpayer and lawyers now force biz to do environmental mipact study to tune of million n millions    so the payoff is just government scam payment to crony communists,     chris christie cancelld train from jersey to new york which had already run up 100mil in environmental impact studies, look it up,    100mil and they didnt even build he train!!

step away from the keyboard grampa

[The Ugly]

everyone knows global warming is just about cashing in on state programs by all those bio degree jerkoff who no one will hire in free market so state moral scam rapes taxpayer and lawyers now force biz to do environmental mipact study to tune of million n millions    so the payoff is just government scam payment to crony communists,     chris christie cancelld train from jersey to new york which had already run up 100mil in environmental impact studies, look it up,    100mil and they didnt even build he train!!

Nice when 'everyone's spokesperson steps in to clear shit up.

[Coach is Back!]

Are you at all worried your son may return from college "brainwashed," as you say?

Nah, he's not afraid to ask questions that don't make sense.

[The Ugly]

Nah, he's not afraid to ask questions that don't make sense.

Why would he ask nonsensical questions, though?

[Necrosis]

Nah, he's not afraid to ask questions that don't make sense.

 

can he tutor you?

[Palumboism]

On road transportation accounts for only ten percent of all greenhouse emissions and yet it is the most heavily regulated.  Why? probably because it's the most visible by the public.

Here's how this hurts the common man.  Cafe standards are set to be raised to 50 MPG for cars and 37 mpg for light trucks by 2023, which is only seven years away.  By doing this the government is forcing car companies to only make and sell hybrid vehicles.  I rented a Prius for a week and it was one of the worst cars I've ever driven.  I personally don't want a hybrid.  they are much more complicated than a normal car and it's expensive to replace the battery when they go bad.  Yet, the government is essentially mandating everyone to buy these vehicles.  

[mr.turbo]

On road transportation accounts for only ten percent of all greenhouse emissions and yet it is the most heavily regulated.  Why? probably because it's the most visible by the public.

Here's how this hurts the common man.  Cafe standards are set to be raised to 50 MPG for cars and 37 mpg for light trucks by 2023, which is only seven years away.  By doing this the government is forcing car companies to only make and sell hybrid vehicles.  I rented a Prius for a week and it was one of the worst cars I've ever driven.  I personally don't want a hybrid.  they are much more complicated than a normal car and it's expensive to replace the battery when they go bad.  Yet, the government is essentially mandating everyone to buy these vehicles.  

I agree with this. There's a bunch of interesting technology on the shelf because it's too disruptive. What we get is the crap that is easy to make money off of.

 

[Conker]

So if "most people" think that something isn't bad then it isn't?

A while ago, most people thought that CFCs didn't damage the ozone layer. They thought so without knowing what CFCs are, what ozone is, what the ozone layer is or what it does. But still, they thought so.

I am reminded of Representative Doolittle, who argued that there was no causal relationship between CFCs and ozone depletion. He ignored scientists, claiming that there was "politics within the scientific community" and he would get to the bottom of it but he didn't want to "get involved in a mumbo-jumbo of peer-reviewed documents."

Others claimed that no research was presented - despite numerous studies and testimony by scientists. And all this, by the way, was after a Nobel Prize in Chemistry had been awarded to the scientists who discovered said causal link.

So just because people who haven't looked at the data and don't understand the science don't think a change of 1 or 2 degrees isn't a big deal doesn't mean that it's not a big deal.

Reality isn't up for a vote Joe.

and our ability to "fix" the hole in the ozone layer seems like BS too.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/26/did-we-really-save-the-ozone-layer/

"During September to October, just after the Antarctic winter, the Ozone Hole is the largest for each year. NASA recently reported that from September 7 through October 13, 2015, the Ozone Hole reached a mean area of 25.6 million kilometers, the largest area since 2006 and the fourth largest since measurements began in 1979. The hole remains large, despite the fact that world ODS consumption all but disappeared about a decade ago."

whatever is happening to the global climate i doubt humans will be any more successful affecting it than they have been in fixing the ozone layer.

wouldn't be surprised if it's used to put the brakes on fast growing 3rd world economies if the speed of their growth starts to threaten western domination. a war in the name of climate control may be in the not too distant future.

[HTexan]

the dumbest poster on getbig strikes again!

X2, this loser doesn't "believe" in global warming.

[tom joad]

Nah, he's not afraid to ask questions that don't make sense.

Coach writes this way on purpose, right? ... for shits and giggles.
(kind of like what Tito24/Mars does with his combined ESL + wit posting style?)

[dr.chimps]

Nah, he's not afraid to ask questions that don't make sense.

Why would he ask nonsensical questions, though?

Brilliant!  You can't make this stuff up.     

[avxo]

and our ability to "fix" the hole in the ozone layer seems like BS too.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/26/did-we-really-save-the-ozone-layer/

"During September to October, just after the Antarctic winter, the Ozone Hole is the largest for each year. NASA recently reported that from September 7 through October 13, 2015, the Ozone Hole reached a mean area of 25.6 million kilometers, the largest area since 2006 and the fourth largest since measurements began in 1979. The hole remains large, despite the fact that world ODS consumption all but disappeared about a decade ago."

whatever is happening to the global climate i doubt humans will be any more successful affecting it than they have been in fixing the ozone layer.

wouldn't be surprised if it's used to put the brakes on fast growing 3rd world economies if the speed of their growth starts to threaten western domination. a war in the name of climate control may be in the not too distant future.

There are so many issues with the article, it's hard to know where to begin. Let's nit-pick a bit: if you refer to the "Nobel Prize" as a "Noble prize" then you're basically proving  you post drivel. But I digress...

The article makes some interesting claims, and pretends there's a huge mystery but does not describe how (a) well-understood mechanisms cause concentrations of chlorine compounds in the Antarctic region of the troposphere to increase, which interact with ozone causing localized depletion and (b) well-understood chemistry explains how the unusually long and cold Antarctic winters factor into this equation.

But, worse that this, the article doesn't even attempt to present a theory that would explain what we're seeing that makes testable predictions that we could look at and evaluate. So, what good is the article, exactly?

Look, the facts are simple: there's no doubt that CFCs were causing massive damage to the ozone layer, and eliminating their use has helped halt the damage to the ozone layer, which is slowly being reversed.

[Coach is Back!]

Seattle vs. Minnesota (-5)

Third coldest in playoff history. I think the first was 1967. You're right, it's getting warmer. "Global warming" is real. lol