For all you idiot Americans who support the mass killings of your own people ...

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http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/

The madness has to stop!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ban guns Americans will still be killing Americans , Violence is as American as well Violence.

Australia never had a gun problem before the ban or a violence problem 

[Lustral]

Ban guns Americans will still be killing Americans , Violence is as American as well Violence.

Australia never had a gun problem before the ban or a violence problem 

Australia started as a colony for convicts and had the mass slaughter of aboriginals and immigrants. In addition to piling aboriginals high and burning them there were occasions like the gold rush there when 150+ chinese labourers were murdered. I think it is safe to say Australia is not averse to violence.

It is a country the size of USA with less than 1/10th the population though.

[gib]

That's right, but Australia has taken steps to end the gun slaughter madness.

Meanwhile its still happening on an almost daily basis in America with your own terorists killing way more people that any Muslim extremist ever will. Crazy stuff indeed ...

[Irongrip400]

That's right, but Australia has taken steps to end the gun slaughter madness.

Meanwhile its still happening on an almost daily basis in America with your own terorists killing way more people that any Muslim extremist ever will. Crazy stuff indeed ...

Out of a country of over 300 million you have around 11,000 gun deaths a year when you take out suicides. It's terrible that it happens at all, but that is such a small percentage. I'm sure if you ran the statistics, it wouldn't be above any abnormal threshold.

[drkaje]

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's right, but Australia has taken steps to end the gun slaughter madness.

Meanwhile its still happening on an almost daily basis in America with your own terorists killing way more people that any Muslim extremist ever will. Crazy stuff indeed ...

So you just want to change the means in which violent American kill other Americans? So childish to believe if guns would all magically disappear that quick tempered Americans will stop being violent.

The deadliest school attack in American history used ZERO guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top

Violence is just another sport to Americans

[MP]

Threadstarter = fucking moron

It was a terrorist attack on our country.

Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will solve nothing and is a step backward from how our great country was founded.

These Islamist extremist fucks need to be taught a lesson. That's where the solution lies.

Now kindly fuck off!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Australia started as a colony for convicts and had the mass slaughter of aboriginals and immigrants. In addition to piling aboriginals high and burning them there were occasions like the gold rush there when 150+ chinese labourers were murdered. I think it is safe to say Australia is not averse to violence.

It is a country the size of USA with less than 1/10th the population though.

Thanks for the history lesson  Australia isn't America never was never will be.

Americans like to be the best at everything violence is no exception

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Out of a country of over 300 million you have around 11,000 gun deaths a year when you take out suicides. It's terrible that it happens at all, but that is such a small percentage. I'm sure if you ran the statistics, it wouldn't be above any abnormal threshold.

Ah yes. Mass slaughters in schools, colleagues, movie Theatres - all entirely normal ...

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Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top

Violence is just another sport to Americans
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Right. But wouldn't you rather live in a country where people don't live in fear of being randomly shot down? Forget about all you tough getbiggers. Think about your kids, your Daughters, having their brains blown out ... It needs to end. You don't need guns to be happy. And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top

Violence is just another sport to Americans


Right. But wouldn't you rather live in a country where people don't live in fear of being randomly shot down? Forget about all you tough getbiggers. Think about your kids, your Daughters, having their brains blown out ... It needs to end. You don't need guns to be happy. And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.

I don't live in fear of being randomly shot down , statistics say otherwise. It's a rare even regardless of what the media will have you believe. Yes Americans have a violence problem  for a developed nation , but it's declining. Every year in the summer sharks will bite some random swimmer and next thing you know it's an epidemic when in reality it's so phenomenally rare but people are under this delusion it's " common "

There are 300 million guns in private hands in America , it's fantasy to think they are going away ever. And again , even if they did you just change the means in which violent Americans harm each other. What difference does it make when someone shoots 10 people or blows up 10? 

You think 100 million Americans are just going to hand over their guns? Because some crackpot decides to murder people? You will need guns to confiscate the guns from private citizens and that just creates , you guessed it , more gun violence. Let's say 90% of people turn in their guns , that leave 10% 10 million people armed and not giving up their guns , there aren't enough cops in this country who can compare

I think more screening for mental illness may prevent some of these attacks but the sad reality is , you can't stop people from killing people if they are motivated to do so , you can only try and minimize the damage and that's what we get for living in a free society. 

[Lustral]

I don't live in fear of being randomly shot down , statistics say otherwise. It's a rare even regardless of what the media will have you believe. Yes Americans have a violence problem  for a developed nation , but it's declining. Every year in the summer sharks will bite some random swimmer and next thing you know it's an epidemic when in reality it's so phenomenally rare but people are under this delusion it's " common "

There are 300 million guns in private hands in America , it's fantasy to think they are going away ever. And again , even if they did you just change the means in which violent Americans harm each other. What difference does it make when someone shoots 10 people or blows up 10? 

You think 100 million Americans are just going to hand over their guns? Because some crackpot decides to murder people? You will need guns to confiscate the guns from private citizens and that just creates , you guessed it , more gun violence. Let's say 90% of people turn in their guns , that leave 10% 10 million people armed and not giving up their guns , there aren't enough cops in this country who can compare

I think more screening for mental illness may prevent some of these attacks but the sad reality is , you can't stop people from killing people if they are motivated to do so , you can only try and minimize the damage and that's what we get for living in a free society. 

I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.

You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?

You fucking dimwit.

[Lustral]

So you just want to change the means in which violent American kill other Americans? So childish to believe if guns would all magically disappear that quick tempered Americans will stop being violent.

The deadliest school attack in American history used ZERO guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top

Violence is just another sport to Americans

Oh just quoting you before you change your posts about a nation of immigrants being so violent by blood right.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.

You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?

You fucking dimwit.

I did not say anything about guns (i have said no way will they ever be banned) but get fucked thinking "Americans" are some warrior race unlike the rest of the world. Other countries have higher murder rates, other countries have more violence per capita. Fuck off pretending to be warriors.

LMAO I never said America are some " warrior race " nice straw man. I said Americans are violent and prone to violence. It's a sport

You have unlimited access to guns and a shitload of people in a country with a polarised political view and social issues. Sweden has more suicides per capita and less gun violence and massacres. Still want to blame mental illness? Or claim you are more violent that Honduras?

Yes " unlimited access " to guns and these even , despite what your news outlet tells you , these events are RARE , especially considering how many guns are in private hands in this country. And I never blamed mental illness I said SOME of these could have prevented with better mental illness intervention

You fucking dimwit.

In psychology they call that " projection " coupled with your inability to comprehend what was typed shows you can't discuss things like a rational well thought human , please continue with the fallacies , poor comprehension skills and emotional tirades. 

[chaos]

And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.

No. Are you stupid?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh just quoting you before you change your posts about a nation of immigrants being so violent by blood right.

I would call you a troll but you're not that sophisticated.

[SF1900]

Thanks for the history lesson  Australia isn't America never was never will be.

Americans like to be the best at everything violence is no exception

That's nothing to be proud of. 

[SF1900]

I don't live in fear of being randomly shot down , statistics say otherwise. It's a rare even regardless of what the media will have you believe. Yes Americans have a violence problem  for a developed nation , but it's declining. Every year in the summer sharks will bite some random swimmer and next thing you know it's an epidemic when in reality it's so phenomenally rare but people are under this delusion it's " common "

There are 300 million guns in private hands in America , it's fantasy to think they are going away ever. And again , even if they did you just change the means in which violent Americans harm each other. What difference does it make when someone shoots 10 people or blows up 10? 

You think 100 million Americans are just going to hand over their guns? Because some crackpot decides to murder people? You will need guns to confiscate the guns from private citizens and that just creates , you guessed it , more gun violence. Let's say 90% of people turn in their guns , that leave 10% 10 million people armed and not giving up their guns , there aren't enough cops in this country who can compare

I think more screening for mental illness may prevent some of these attacks but the sad reality is , you can't stop people from killing people if they are motivated to do so , you can only try and minimize the damage and that's what we get for living in a free society. 

I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.

The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.

[chaos]

I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.

The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.

Oh fucking brother

[_aj_]

I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.

The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.

So, what's your point, or policy prescription here?

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's nothing to be proud of. 

And if you could show me where I said it was I would be apologizing right now.

It is what it is. People think the solution to ending violence is changing the tool , it's so simplistic and childish. People don't want to face the reality that at any given time another human can end your life or the lives of many people. It's been happening for eons and will continue , it's all part of the human condition.

[chaos]

So, what's your point, or policy prescription here?

Nothing. Like 240 he'll run his mouth about all the bad things in the world yet offer no solution or compromise.

[SF1900]

And if you could show me where I said it was I would be apologizing right now.

It is what it is. People think the solution to ending violence is changing the tool , it's so simplistic and childish. People don't want to face the reality that at any given time another human can end your life or the lives of many people. It's been happening for eons and will continue , it's all part of the human condition.

It was just a general statement, not directly aimed at you. Calm down, ND

Of course, violence is a natural part of human nature. Humans have been violent since the beginning of time. I am more than willing to accept this reality, and realize it will always be part of our who we are. However, we have also developed an enlarged prefrontal cortex that is the "seat" of conscience, logic, reason, and empathy. We are not slaves to our primitive desires like we were once. Most people do not live in a primitive world these days. In fact, we currently live in a time that is most the safe, so we have taken active steps over the years to make the world a safer place. Of course, more work needs to be done. Its a continued process.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I agree that some of these could have been prevented with better screenings for mental illness.

The thing is that a good guy with a gun is only a good guy with a gun until he turns into a bad guy with a gun. In other words, given the right variables, anyone can enter into a state of mental illness and commit unthinkable acts. Of course we know that there are specific variables that may lead to someone being a mass murderer. However, once that person is initially screened and is allowed a gun, there is no other screening process. No way to determine the possibility that this person may snap under the right circumstances. Thus, we have to hope that this person can bear the weight of any circumstances without snapping and turning violent.

100 million legal gun owners in the United States , purely from a statistical standpoint it's going to happen that some people will snap and harm others it's part of living in a free society , is it acceptable? NO , but it's reality. Why should the vast majority be punished for what the minority do? People don't like reality and look to escape it at all costs.

The reality of living in a free society is ANYONE hell bent on killing you or a group of people can do so because they know what they are going to do and you don't.

NO " Good guy " with a gun isn't a solution , though it can minimize the damage and in some circumstances prevent it , A gun isn't the end all be all solution because plenty of people with guns have been killed but in a free society that was supposedly founded on " liberty " it's law abiding citizens right's to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they'd like. Don't like guns? Don't carry one , but don't tell others they can't because of your narrow view. Abortion anyone?