For all you idiot Americans who support the mass killings of your own people ...

[SF1900]

100 million legal gun owners in the United States , purely from a statistical standpoint it's going to happen that some people will snap and harm others it's part of living in a free society , is it acceptable? NO , but it's reality. Why should the vast majority be punished for what the minority do? People don't like reality and look to escape it at all costs.

The reality of living in a free society is ANYONE hell bent on killing you or a group of people can do so because they know what they are going to do and you don't.

NO " Good guy " with a gun isn't a solution , though it can minimize the damage and in some circumstances prevent it , A gun isn't the end all be all solution because plenty of people with guns have been killed but in a free society that was supposedly founded on " liberty " it's law abiding citizens right's to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they'd like. Don't like guns? Don't carry one , but don't tell others they can't because of your narrow view. Abortion anyone?

When did I say that the vast majority of people should be punished for what the minority do?   . Further,  I never said no good guy with a gun is the solution. When did I tell someone they weren't allowed to carry a gun.

Wow, seems like youre putting a lot of words into my mouth.  

ps - my friend and cousins husbands own lots of guns and I go shooting with them quite often.

[Lustral]

So you just want to change the means in which violent American kill other Americans? So childish to believe if guns would all magically disappear that quick tempered Americans will stop being violent.

The deadliest school attack in American history used ZERO guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Americans thrive on Violence , We start more wars , stock more weapons of war , spend more on military , the country was started in violence , we thrive on it, Americans thrive on competition and we try and out do each other in all aspects of life. The media helps with the coverage and tallies in which the next guy tries to top

Violence is just another sport to Americans

That sounds like Americans are some bloodthirsty race. I'd say some African countries have a word to say on starting wars but if you want to get into it, the military industrial complex was noted as a massive forecoming problem by Truman. You start wars to use the weapons because every state gets a piece of the employment pie and you can't keep those missiles idle. Either way, you're dodging the point. You just have more guns. Switzerland maybe rivals you, but that is a small country and has less inequality.

As for the country starting in violence, I can't think of one inhabited country that did not start in violence. You have heard of the Vikings, Celts, WW2, the Bosnian war etc?

[NarcissisticDeity]

It was just a general statement, not directly aimed at you. Calm down, ND

Of course, violence is a natural part of human nature. Humans have been violent since the beginning of time. I am more than willing to accept this reality, and realize it will always be part of our who we are. However, we have also developed an enlarged prefrontal cortex that is the "seat" of conscience, logic, reason, and empathy. We are not slaves to our primitive desires like we were once. Most people do not live in a primitive world these days. In fact, we currently live in a time that is most the safe, so we have taken active steps over the years to make the world a safer place. Of course, more work needs to be done. Its a continued process.

It was just a general statement, not directly aimed at you. Calm down, ND

Keep calm and carry firearms !! " See you're just the type who shouldn't carry a gun , emotional , quick to anger , potentially violent " lol

Of course, violence is a natural part of human nature. Humans have been violent since the beginning of time. I am more than willing to accept this reality, and realize it will always be part of our who we are. However, we have also developed an enlarged prefrontal cortex that is the "seat" of conscience, logic, reason, and empathy. We are not slaves to our primitive desires like we were once. Most people do not live in a primitive world these days. In fact, we currently live in a time that is most the safe, so we have taken active steps over the years to make the world a safer place. Of course, more work needs to be done. Its a continued process.

It's like Christopher Hitchen's used to say " Humans have an undersized prefrontal cortex and oversize adrenal glands " Humans are humans , we are a work in progress. We should strive to be better at being human ( nice play on words ) but changing the tool in which the violence is perpetrated doesn't solve the problem , and neither does punishing people who have never done anything.



 

[SF1900]

Keep calm and carry firearms !! " See you're just the type who shouldn't carry a gun , emotional , quick to anger , potentially violent " lol

It's like Christopher Hitchen's used to say " Humans have an undersized prefrontal cortex and oversize adrenal glands " Humans are humans , we are a work in progress. We should strive to be better at being human ( nice play on words ) but changing the tool in which the violence is perpetrated doesn't solve the problem , and neither does punishing people who have never done anything.



 

Exactly. Look how angry you're getting here. Clearly, you should not have a gun, if you're becoming this emotional about the issue. Please hand your gun(s) over to me.

[gib]

100 million legal gun owners in the United States , purely from a statistical standpoint it's going to happen that some people will snap and harm others it's part of living in a free society , is it acceptable? NO , but it's reality. Why should the vast majority be punished for what the minority do? People don't like reality and look to escape it at all costs.

The reality of living in a free society is ANYONE hell bent on killing you or a group of people can do so because they know what they are going to do and you don't.

NO " Good guy " with a gun isn't a solution , though it can minimize the damage and in some circumstances prevent it , A gun isn't the end all be all solution because plenty of people with guns have been killed but in a free society that was supposedly founded on " liberty " it's law abiding citizens right's to carry a firearm to protect themselves if they'd like. Don't like guns? Don't carry one , but don't tell others they can't because of your narrow view. Abortion anyone?

Hmm - let's think this through a little further ... Should we also allow every American the right to own nuclear weapons?...

[Lustral]

Keep calm and carry firearms !! " See you're just the type who shouldn't carry a gun , emotional , quick to anger , potentially violent " lol

It's like Christopher Hitchen's used to say " Humans have an undersized prefrontal cortex and oversize adrenal glands " Humans are humans , we are a work in progress. We should strive to be better at being human ( nice play on words ) but changing the tool in which the violence is perpetrated doesn't solve the problem , and neither does punishing people who have never done anything.



 

If the tool does not matter, why are nuclear weapons a preventative weapon?

Too extreme? OK, how many people can you kill with your fist? With a knife... with a gun... with a bomb....

Get where I am going?

I never said you should not be allowed to have guns, but if you have a shitload... don't deny they are a cause... and do not think we are shit for brains who think one person with a knife can do the damage another can with a gun, bomb or nuke.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly. Look how angry you're getting here. Clearly, you should not have a fun, if you're becoming this emotional about the issue. Please hand your gun(s) over to me.

Where should I ship them? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hmm - let's think this through a little further ... Should we also allow every American the right to own nuclear weapons?...

Reductio ad absurdum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Thanks for playing though. And technically American's do " own " nuclear weapons

[SF1900]

Where should I ship them? 

We will meet up behind the barn.

[NarcissisticDeity]

If the tool does not matter, why are nuclear weapons a preventative weapon?

Too extreme? OK, how many people can you kill with your fist? With a knife... with a gun... with a bomb....

Get where I am going?

I never said you should not be allowed to have guns, but if you have a shitload... don't deny they are a cause... and do not think we are shit for brains who think one person with a knife can do the damage another can with a gun, bomb or nuke.

Perhaps you missed this?

Correlation does not mean causation. 300 million guns in private hands in the USA if it were the case mass shootings would be much , much more prevalent and gun violence is fallen dramatically in the past 20 years http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18108298-gun-violence-in-us-has-fallen-dramatically-over-past-20-years-justice-dept-report-finds

Would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? Harvard study , the answer is NO

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

[Lustral]

Reductio ad absurdum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Thanks for playing though. And technically American's do " own " nuclear weapons

absurd
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adjective
1.
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.
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noun
1.
an absurd state of affairs.
"the incidents that followed bordered on the absurd"

"narcissistic deity made some absurd arguments about guns"

[NarcissisticDeity]

We will meet up behind the barn.

Be forewarned I do " background checks " I follow the letter of the law 

[The Scott]

http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/australia-enjoys-another-peaceful-day-under-oppressive-gun-control-regime/

The madness has to stop!

If you've imported muslims, you will want your guns back.  If not, I could care less about you.  

As for me, I don't own any guns but support the right of law abiding Americans to do so.  Allow me to put in a semi-Aussie (and not totally grammatically correct, dammit!) way...

"Don't Go Walkabout On Me".

[Lustral]

Perhaps you missed this?

Correlation does not mean causation. 300 million guns in private hands in the USA if it were the case mass shootings would be much , much more prevalent and gun violence is fallen dramatically in the past 20 years http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18108298-gun-violence-in-us-has-fallen-dramatically-over-past-20-years-justice-dept-report-finds

Would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide? Harvard study , the answer is NO

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

https://www.quandl.com/collections/society/oecd-murder-rates

Assault Deaths (Murders) per 100,000 Persons by Country
Country   Most Recent Year   5 Years Ago   10 Years Ago   20 Years Ago
USA   5.2   6.0   5.8   9.4
Austria   0.4   0.6   0.9   1.5
Belgium   1.1   1.5   n.a.   1.4
Denmark   0.3   0.8   0.9   1.3
Finland   1.4   2.2   2.5   3.4
France   0.6   0.7   0.8   1.1
Germany   0.5   0.6   0.7   1.2
Greece   1.6   0.8   1.0   1.5
Hungary   1.3   1.7   2.5   4.1
Iceland   0.3   1.3   0.9   0.0
Ireland   0.8   0.9   0.9   0.7
Italy   0.7   n.a.   1.0   2.6
Luxembourg   0.2   1.2   1.8   1.9
Netherlands   0.9   0.9   1.2   1.2
Norway   0.6   0.7   0.9   1.0
Portugal   1.1   1.0   1.7   1.5
Spain   0.6   0.7   1.0   0.9
Sweden   0.7   1.2   1.2   1.4
Switzerland   0.5   0.9   0.8   1.5
UK   0.3   0.4   n.a.   0.7
Czech Republic   0.8   1.0   1.3   2.0
Poland   0.9   1.4   1.8   3.2
Slovak Republic   1.2   1.6   2.3   n.a.
Slovenia   0.4   1.1   1.0   2.0
Estonia   4.8   6.9   11.7   20.1
Japan   0.3   0.5   0.6   0.6
South Korea   1.1   1.5   1.7   1.3
Israel   2.3   3.4   5.9   1.5
Canada   1.5   1.5   1.5   2.2
Mexico   23.4   8.8   11.8   24.3
Chile   4.4   5.5   5.4   3.7
Australia   0.8   0.7   1.6   1.9
New Zealand   1.2   1.7   1.4   2.3
TABLE OF CONTENTS

OECD Murder Rates
Assault Deaths (Murders) per 100,000 Persons by

You and Mexico (WOW YOUR NEIGHBOURS WHO BUY GUNS FROM YOU) top the class!!! Chile is ahead though, better arm up.

[240 is Back]

I would LOVE to live in a nation where there are no guns.  LOVE LOVE LOVE it.  We all get skilled with a knife, a sword, one of those sticks that Morgan carries in the walking dead... that'd be badass.

Here is the problem.

There will be a 50-year period, from the time the guns are banned, until they're mostly gone.  During that time, good guys will turn them in, and bad guys will keep them.  Bad guys will gain power for decades.  Sure, guns will rust, bullets will run out, and over time, the place will be safer.

HOWEVER, for that 50 year period (for most of us, the rest of our lives), the USA would totally suck.  

I don't want to be a part of that.

[SF1900]

Be forewarned I do " background checks " I follow the letter of the law 

You can do a "back"ground check on me any day, stud.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You can do a "back"ground check on me any day, stud.

[Lustral]

I would LOVE to live in a nation where there are no guns.  LOVE LOVE LOVE it.  We all get skilled with a knife, a sword, one of those sticks that Morgan carries in the walking dead... that'd be badass.

Here is the problem.

There will be a 50-year period, from the time the guns are banned, until they're mostly gone.  During that time, good guys will turn them in, and bad guys will keep them.  Bad guys will gain power for decades.  Sure, guns will rust, bullets will run out, and over time, the place will be safer.

HOWEVER, for that 50 year period (for most of us, the rest of our lives), the USA would totally suck.  

I don't want to be a part of that.

50 years? Try never. USA is too big with too many guns to ever ban them properly. Add to that the 2nd amendment and corporate interests (I don't need to say NRA, they don't sell guns) and it would never work.

Just don't say that guns for mass sale do not contribute to these attacks. Just admit it.

Quote the odd terrorist attack here, it is one day in the USA.

[mr.turbo]

the argument that changing the tool is not relevant kinda misses the point that it's easier to kill a human with a gun than it is without...kinda like it's easier to wipe out the human species with nukes which is why nobody uses them anymore. sorry I didn't read anything just wanted to stick my nose into the conversation recklessly. haha

the culture of killing is a deep seated european thing, it actually comes from europe but hey they don't go around shooting each other up like crazy these days. except for that brievik fellow... Why is that? hmmm?

[SF1900]

Actually, I change my mind. You can't. You're not the inventor of the bicep supination machine.

[The Scott]

You can do a "back"ground check on me any day, stud.

He said "background", not backdoor.  

I know...Hades awaits...Be well, brother!  

[Lustral]

the argument that changing the tool is not relevant kinda misses the point that it's easier to kill a human with a gun than it is without...kinda like it's easier to wipe out the human species with nukes which is why nobody uses them anymore. sorry I didn't read anything just wanted to stick my nose into the conversation recklessly. haha

the culture of killing is a deep seated european thing, it actually comes from europe but hey they don't go around shooting each other up like crazy these days. except for that brievik fellow... Why is that? hmmm?

Killing existed long before Europeans...or humans. Look at chimps hunt monkeys through the canopes and tear them apart. Give a chimp a net and teach him how to use it and he would catch a lot more monkeys. The gun is our net - not for catching the one, but the many.

[mr.turbo]

Killing existed long before Europeans...or humans. Look at chimps hunt monkeys through the canopes and tear them apart. Give a chimp a net and teach him how to use it and he would catch a lot more monkeys. The gun is our net - not for catching the one, but the many.

before about 500 years ago europe was a nasty nasty place, thank god for the enlightenment.  I think the americans are basically the euros who ran away from that period of progress.

[Lustral]

before about 500 years ago europe was a nasty nasty place, thank god for the enlightenment.  I think the americans are basically the euros who ran away from that period of progress.

Look i do not think gun ownership is wrong. Again. You try go to a giant country with bears, Indians, wolves and say no guns. It is then enshrined after a war with England in constitution. Then that is held sacred despite being for militia.

Just do not tell me more guns has nothing to do with these constant shootings. It does.

[mr.turbo]

Look i do not think gun ownership is wrong. Again. You try go to a giant country with bears, Indians, wolves and say no guns. It is then enshrined after a war with England in constitution. Then that is held sacred despite being for militia.

Just do not tell me more guns has nothing to do with these constant shootings. It does.

Lief ericson arrived and all they had were huge clubs and swords etc, obviously they didn't conquer north america...maybe bigfoot scared them off.

of course guns make it easier to kill people that's the whole point of a gun. People get all emo over their gun fun and lose any sense of rational thinking. Guns are cool fuck I love guns but it's a device designed specifically for killing humans.