For all you idiot Americans who support the mass killings of your own people ...

[bigmc]

What you don't seem to understand is that guns are an inanimate object, people are the problem. Not a shot was fired on 9/11, not a shot was fired Murrah Federal building, hell the Boston Marathon bombing didn't involve guns until they fuckers were on the run. But they managed to kill a hell of a lot of people. If a person is intent on doing evil, they will find a way to get it done. So you can blame an inanimate object or the people responsible.

good point

however I am sure you will concede that a gun is a very effective inanimate object if you want to kill a shit load of people

[Kazan]

your intelligence agency got caught monitoring all your emails and phone calls

#trust

All the more reason to make sure the 2nd amendment stands, it was put in the constitution to prevent a tyrannical government.

[Kazan]

good point

however I am sure you will concede that a gun is a very effective inanimate object if you want to kill a shit load of people

Well from what I have seen a passenger jet or a truck full of fertilizer and solvent to be much more effective at causing mass casualties. Those dickhead in San Bernardino would have killed more, but their pipe bombs didn't work. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I refuse to be a victim. If the situation arises, I would rather have the option to fight back, then wait for my turn to be executed.

[bigmc]

Well from what I have seen a passenger jet or a truck full of fertilizer and solvent to be much more effective at causing mass casualties. Those dickhead in San Bernardino would have killed more, but their pipe bombs didn't work. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I refuse to be a victim. If the situation arises, I would rather have the option to fight back, then wait for my turn to be executed.

ok answer this then

how come in every one of these mass shootings there hasn't been a single fighting back moment

where are the guys like you and aj turning up to blow the psycho away?

show me some examples of where having an arsenal of weapons in your home

has stopped some lunatic going in to a cinema and letting rip with guns

[Donny]

bigmc post your red book or raf equivalent. your certificate of service .

[Walter Sobchak]

ok answer this then

how come in every one of these mass shootings there hasn't been a single fighting back moment

where are the guys like you and aj turning up to blow the psycho away?

show me some examples of where having an arsenal of weapons in your home

has stopped some lunatic going in to a cinema and letting rip with guns

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/

12 recent occurences....

[Kazan]

ok answer this then

how come in every one of these mass shootings there hasn't been a single fighting back moment

where are the guys like you and aj turning up to blow the psycho away?

show me some examples of where having an arsenal of weapons in your home

has stopped some lunatic going in to a cinema and letting rip with guns

They may be crazy, but they are not stupid, if you intend on killing a bunch of people where are you going to go? An NRA meeting or a gun free zone? They aren't hard to find, there is a big sign posted for anyone to see.

It just doesn't work like this

[bigmc]

They may be crazy, but they are not stupid, if you intend on killing a bunch of people where are you going to go? An NRA meeting or a gun free zone? They aren't hard to find, there is a big sign posted for anyone to see.

It just doesn't work like this

you missed my point maybe I made it badly

lets say we go with your way of doing things

then in my opinion everyone has to be armed ready to go at a moments notice

im sure if everyone was like you or aj these idiots would get shot the fuck up when they went on a spree

either everyone is in or no one is

I just think it would be better if guns were hard to get

I will concede as it stands if I lived in the us I would defo want weapons

[Donny]

Guess "bigmc" is not an ex serviceman after all. Oh Dear never mind..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lolz Europeans complaining about America's gun problem lol Thanks for all your help  

Glock Ges.m.b.H. (Glock)   Austria
Steyr Mannlicher (Steyr)   Austria
Herstal Group   Belgium
HS Produkt   Croatia
Heckler & Koch (H&K)   Germany
Walther   Germany
Beretta Holding S.p.A (Beretta Holding)   Italy
Swiss Arms
(US subsidiary known as SIG Sauer)   Switzerland
Astra Arms    Switzerland
Accuracy International Ltd (AI)   UK
Holland & Holland   UK

That's just a sample BTW

[Kazan]

you missed my point maybe I made it badly

lets say we go with your way of doing things

then in my opinion everyone has to be armed ready to go at a moments notice

im sure if everyone was like you or aj these idiots would get shot the fuck up when they went on a spree

either everyone is in or no one is

I just think it would be better if guns were hard to get

I will concede as it stands if I lived in the us I would defo want weapons

I don't look at this is black and white like that, unlike the left in the US, I say you don't want a gun, then don't buy one. There ideology is I don't want\like guns so no one should have them. Also their stupid use of signs to tell any crazy asshole that hey look a soft target you will get no resistance. So in a way, yes everyone would have to be in as far as getting rid of gun free zones. As far as who chooses to arm themselves, well that is a personal choice.

[_aj_]

you missed my point maybe I made it badly

lets say we go with your way of doing things

then in my opinion everyone has to be armed ready to go at a moments notice

im sure if everyone was like you or aj these idiots would get shot the fuck up when they went on a spree

either everyone is in or no one is

I just think it would be better if guns were hard to get

I will concede as it stands if I lived in the us I would defo want weapons

I ain't a hero, I am not running towards the sound of gunfire. I'm just armed to get me and my family outta the line of fire.

[_aj_]

I don't look at this is black and white like that, unlike the left in the US, I say you don't want a gun, then don't buy one. There ideology is I don't want\like guns so no one should have them. Also their stupid use of signs to tell any crazy asshole that hey look a soft target you will get no resistance. So in a way, yes everyone would have to be in as far as getting rid of gun free zones. As far as who chooses to arm themselves, well that is a personal choice.

For the left, it really is about a belief that the government should have a monopoly on violence and should be able to wield it at any time. The left fears an armed citizenry more than anything.

[bigmc]

I ain't a hero, I am not running towards the sound of gunfire. I'm just armed to get me and my family outta the line of fire.

fair enough

I will bow out as this point

I get your stance

just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns

[_aj_]

just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns

Mine too.

[Donny]

fair enough

I will bow out as this point

I get your stance

just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns

proof of service ? after all your talk about guns and that you were ex RAF ?

[Donny]

you and a few others asked for my proof and i showed it. Show that you were ex RAF. "Certificate of service".

[Kazan]

For the left, it really is about a belief that the government should have a monopoly on violence and should be able to wield it at any time. The left fears an armed citizenry more than anything.

Well how has that worked out so far? This non sense has been drilled into the population, call the police and wait. Sure the police got the shooters in San Bernardino, but not until 14 were dead 23 wounded.

I saw this idiocy posted


What are the cops some kind of super hero's? I probably have more range time than these guys, but nope and "average" citizen would make no difference.

[Walter Sobchak]

fair enough

I will bow out as this point

I get your stance

just breaks my heart that so many people get killed by idiots with guns

The point is most Americans want to have the right to decide, not have things mandated by a government run by incompetent idiots.

They want you to have the right to be unarmed and trust in the police and the goodness of your fellow man.

They also want the right to arm themselves for protection of family and friends if that situation were ever to occur.

The shooting in SB is not a gun issue. It is a radical Islam issue that liberals are trying to turn into a gun issue.

[_aj_]

Well how has that worked out so far? This non sense has been drilled into the population, call the police and wait. Sure the police got the shooters in San Bernardino, but not until 14 were dead 23 wounded.

I saw this idiocy posted


What are the cops some kind of super hero's? I probably have more range time than these guys, but nope and "average" citizen would make no difference.

I get this all the time from my lefty friends. As if the evil folks have Sith powers. The average cop fires 10 rounds a year, all at quals, has never stress-fired and would shit their pants if they took incoming. I have more rounds under my belt lifetime than probably most of the Boston PD combined.

[Kazan]

I get this all the time from my lefty friends. As if the evil folks have Sith powers. The average cop fires 10 rounds a year, all at quals, has never stress-fired and would shit their pants if they took incoming. I have more rounds under my belt lifetime than probably most of the Boston PD combined.

Exactly, I go to range pretty much every weekend. If you ask me that picture is a fucking embarrassment, it took 23 cops to take out 2 or 3 bad guys.

[bigmc]

The point is most Americans want to have the right to decide, not have things mandated by a government run by incompetent idiots.

They want you to have the right to be unarmed and trust in the police and the goodness of your fellow man.

They also want the right to arm themselves for protection of family and friends if that situation were ever to occur.

The shooting in SB is not a gun issue. It is a radical Islam issue that liberals are trying to turn into a gun issue.

solid post 

[Donny]

solid post 

ex RAF ??

[Walter Sobchak]

solid post 

But I do understand what I think you are saying. When I look at the people posting on the Internet, I realize there are just some things in society that not everyone should have. Giving this "equal voice" to every introvert, immature, socially stunted, low IQ loser really makes normal people realize how fucked up the average citizen really is.

I want a gun to protect me and those I care to protect. But I sure as hell don't want to turn our society into something where every 300 lb soccer mom shopping at Walmart in three day old spandex is openly carrying like Dirty Harry, has never been to a gun range, and is just itching to pull their gun and "stop a terrorist".

[bigmc]

But I do understand what I think you are saying. When I look at the people posting on the Internet, I realize there are just some things in society that not everyone should have. Giving this "equal voice" to every introvert, immature, socially stunted, low IQ loser really makes normal people realize how fucked up the average citizen really is.

I want a gun to protect me and those I care to protect. But I sure as hell don't want to turn our society into something where every 300 lb soccer mom shopping at Walmart in three day old spandex is openly carrying like Dirty Harry, has never been to a gun range, and is just itching to pull their gun and "stop a terrorist".

whats the solution then?

all I can think of is wiping these fuckers off the earth

but they are never ending