For all you idiot Americans who support the mass killings of your own people ...

[Walter Sobchak]

Your opinion on this matter sounds a lot like mine.

Oh okay....figured it might be something like that

[Fortress]

"bigmc" is a fraud.

Just read through this thread. Guy, you are seriously obsessed. Making a complete ass out of yourself. And you're a grown man, aren't you?

[drkaje]

apologies did misread your post.

however, have seen that dumb argument a few times "godda keep the guns ,case the govment turns gainst us"

i spose your argument makes more sense , "we godda keep the guns so even tho resistance is futile, least we go down fighting"  

much more logical reasoning  

You'd rather be rounded up and shot than die fighting back? Dead is dead but at least you can talk a little shit on the way out.

One huge caveat to concealed carry? People overestimate their abilities with weapons. Only someone properly trained, practiced, and experienced with a weapon has a fighting chance of surviving a mass shooting without making the situation worse.

I have a CCP and wouldn't consider pulling a weapon in one of those situations unless there were no other option.

[chaos]

You'd rather be rounded up and shot than die fighting back? Dead is dead but at least you can talk a little shit on the way out.

One huge caveat to concealed carry? People overestimate their abilities with weapons. Only someone properly trained, practiced, and experienced with a weapon has a fighting chance of surviving a mass shooting without making the situation worse.

I have a CCP and wouldn't consider pulling a weapon in one of those situations unless there were no other option.

Weird.
What would your options be in that situation?

[_aj_]

Weird.
What would your options be in that situation?

Retreat is #1. Never go against a long gun with a pistol. Descalation is #2, but that's not likely an option with the hajis.

[drkaje]

Weird.
What would your options be in that situation?

Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!

If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.

[chaos]

Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!

If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.

Hahaa!!

[_aj_]

Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!

If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.

Truth.

[Montague]

And if you took them all away yes it would not end violence but it would end mass shootings at least.

gib, are you a SF1900 gimmick?

If not, then it's a tie for STUPIDEST MOTHER-FUCKER ON GETBIG AWARD!!!!


Ron, make two trophies!

[Kazan]

Do English services use challenge coins? We have them for every fucking branch and MOS over here.

This is a challenge coin from operation Gothic serpent, in case anyone is interested what they look like

[Walter Sobchak]

Look at it from my perspective, Chaos: Unarmed black guys get shot by the police with alarming regularity. Deciding to intervene means I'm probably going to be shot by the police, LOL!

If someone ran into a room shooting... I'd try to return fire from behind cover.

During the firefight, I'd shoot you from behind!

LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

gib, are you a SF1900 gimmick?

If not, then it's a tie for STUPIDEST MOTHER-FUCKER ON GETBIG AWARD!!!!


Ron, make two trophies!

He's a gimmick for sure. I doubt It's SF1900 though

[_aj_]

http://bearingarms.com/game-fire-ice/

Well said. Speaks for millions of Americans. Read the words, euro fags.

[Kwon_2]

[drkaje]

During the firefight, I'd shoot you from behind!

LOL

As if the cops, crazies, and terrorists aren't enough to worry about.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Well how has that worked out so far? This non sense has been drilled into the population, call the police and wait. Sure the police got the shooters in San Bernardino, but not until 14 were dead 23 wounded.

I saw this idiocy posted


What are the cops some kind of super hero's? I probably have more range time than these guys, but nope and "average" citizen would make no difference.

I'm guessing just one of those cops would have taken out the San Bernardino shooters. It just so happens that 23 were called in at the time. If 100 cops showed up on site, that gif would say it took 100 cops etc...

[Kazan]

I'm guessing just one of those cops would have taken out the San Bernardino shooters. It just so happens that 23 were called in at the time. If 100 cops showed up on site, that gif would say it took 100 cops etc...

Not relevant, the posted is implying that the average citizen is incompetent and could not stop them, I say bullshit to that. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. 

[_aj_]

Not relevant, the posted is implying that the average citizen is incompetent and could not stop them, I say bullshit to that. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. 

Well, the perps were carrying rifles. Never ever go into a rifle fight with a pistol if you can help it.

Rule #1 of a gunfight: bring a gun. Bring a long gun. Bring all your friends with long guns.

[Kazan]

Well, the perps were carrying rifles. Never ever go into a rifle fight with a pistol if you can help it.

Rule #1 of a gunfight: bring a gun. Bring a long gun. Bring all your friends with long guns.

True, but if someone starts shooting back it changes the dynamics of the situation.

[Lustral]

This country was incorporated with the expressed purpose to MAKE SURE that The People outgunned the Government. Oddly, Supreme Court precedent confirms this. In US vs. Miller (1932), SCOTUS held that a sawed off shotgun was NOT protected under 2A simply because it was not a common military arm.

Leftist have referred to that as "dicta", but is not. It was germane to the decision. And based on that, the only weapons that are protected would be fully automatic infantry arms. Ruminate on that for a moment.

I think you mean obiter dicta as opposed to ratio decdendi. Just so you understand for the future. I can be more condescending and explain words you use but don't get if you'd like.

It should also be "express purpose" not "expressed purpose". Anyway, you can believe you outgun the government; let's ignore drones, nukes and F-16s and the proliferation of ex military vehicles sold to police forces (arms of the government) - how well did the guns help people in the Waco massacre? You think a few red necks with AR 15s could defeat a SWAT team, let alone the military?

At least accept that the second amendment meant one thing when drafted and means a different thing now (the right to bear arms).

[NarcissisticDeity]

I think you mean obiter dicta as opposed to ratio decdendi. Just so you understand for the future. I can be more condescending and explain words you use but don't get if you'd like.

It should also be "express purpose" not "expressed purpose". Anyway, you can believe you outgun the government; let's ignore drones, nukes and F-16s and the proliferation of ex military vehicles sold to police forces (arms of the government) - how well did the guns help people in the Waco massacre? You think a few red necks with AR 15s could defeat a SWAT team, let alone the military?

At least accept that the second amendment meant one thing when drafted and means a different thing now (the right to bear arms).

The Iraqi equivalent of red necks with AK's defeated experienced operators and the youngest Navy SEAL in history.  Bullet's don't care about your training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Helvenston

[_aj_]

At least accept that the second amendment meant one thing when drafted and means a different thing now (the right to bear arms).

Utterly and completely false. The bill of rights means EXACTLY the same thing today as drafted.

You also missed the part where I explained that the ranks of the Army and Marines as well as the overwhelming majority of local and state police come from the ranks of people that think like me. The government can order the attack, but unless the over promoted Dindu O-6 is going to lead the charge himself, it ain't happening.

[Kazan]

The Iraqi equivalent of red necks with AK's defeated experienced operators and the youngest Navy SEAL in history.  Bullet's don't care about your training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Helvenston

Hell they beat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan

[Lustral]

Utterly and completely false. The bill of rights means EXACTLY the same thing today as drafted.

You also missed the part where I explained that the ranks of the Army and Marines as well as the overwhelming majority of local and state police come from the ranks of people that think like me. The government can order the attack, but unless the over promoted Dindu O-6 is going to lead the charge himself, it ain't happening.

http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

People follow orders regardless of political leanings. Would you have stopped the genocide if you were a regular German soldier? A few tried. Ask Clauss how it went... Justice Scalia believes the Bill of Rights and constitution to mean what they say as they were said. I have met him and spoken to him as a host of him speaking - and i agree... hold a referendum if you want to change a constitutional point.  However, the supreme court in your country voted by majority decision against that interpretation to legalise gay marriage. Why should the 2nd amendment be immune to it? That was undemocratic and changed constitutional interpretation.

As for ND's point, good luck shooting a cruise missile with an ak 47. It won't come to that, of course, but don't pretend citizens could defeat an army in allout war.

[_aj_]

http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

People follow orders regardless of political leanings. Would you have stopped the genocide if you were a regular German soldier? A few tried. Ask Clauss how it went... Justice Scalia believes the Bill of Rights and constitution to mean what they say as they were said. I have met him and spoken to him as a host of him speaking - and i agree... hold a referendum if you want to change a constitutional point.  However, the supreme court in your country voted by majority decision against that interpretation to legalise gay marriage. Why should the 2nd amendment be immune to it? That was undemocratic and changed constitutional interpretation.

As for ND's point, good luck shooting a cruise missile with an ak 47. It won't come to that, of course, but don't pretend citizens could defeat an army in allout war.

Cruise missiles come from aircraft or submarines. Both need logistics and resupply and are guarded at night by men with rifles. Men than can die easily by the gun.