RIP Scott Weiland - Found dead on tour bus

[BlackMetallic]

These latter-day genre/sub-genre busybodies can fuck right off. Priest, Sabbath, Maiden, Dio, Chains, Tool, Soundgarden, all metal to me. Even much of the hairstuff, far as I care.

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[The Ugly]

Dude, you call STP a B team, yet you have Shannon Hoon as a legend? Only because he died after one hit.

Just my take is all, hits don't mean anything. Pilots offered nothing fresh or better at the time, to me. Debut, especially. Also, something flat/weak in their guitar sound, until I heard 'Interstate'. Played the fuck outta that one, sounded like a whole different band (mostly for the melodic 80s-style hook).

I do think Scott found a unique little niche for himself after while - a "rockstar" in a time it wasn't cool. And I think he'll probably be remembered more than the band.

[The Ugly]

My second favorite song is "Fall to Pieces," by the way. So, yeah, never a huge STPer, sorry. Not so bad, though, era's A Team was epic. Fuck you want from me?

[Irongrip400]

My second favorite song is "Fall to Pieces," by the way. So, yeah, never a huge STPer, sorry. Not so bad, though, era's A Team was epic. Fuck you want from me?

Wasn't that Velvet Revolver? Or is that the point?

[The Ugly]

Wasn't that Velvet Revolver? Or is that the point?

 

To their credit, 100xs better than anything that followed: Korn/Limp and the shit they ushered in, or the Staind/Creed "post-grunge" crowd.

[funk51]

they say less than 300 people showed up for the show, he stumbled and mumbled about the stage and played for an hour...[badly it is said]

[HTexan]

To their credit, 100xs better than anything that followed: Korn/Limp and the shit they ushered in, or the Staind/Creed "post-grunge" crowd.

Staid is a good live band.

[Thin Lizzy]

The really big bands (The A Team) develop lifetime fans and play arenas for the rest of their careers. I can think of four bands from the 90s that fit the bill.

1. Pearl Jam
2. Tool
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. Foo Fighters

[240 is Back]

back in the day, it was millionaire rock stars in limos.  Think of Crue or GNR in their heyday.  The world envied their parties.

these days, thanks to record companies and the internet, artists (even those with hits) aren't millionaires selling out arenas anymore.  a few small biebers left, but most are touring steady to make ends meet.  You can have a hit song and still not be able to afford drugs.   and it's just not cool like it used to be.

[MP]

The really big bands (The A Team) develop lifetime fans and play arenas for the rest of their careers. I can think of four bands from the 90s that fit the bill.

1. Pearl Jam
2. Tool
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. Foo Fighters

Although I like Tool, I wouldn't place them that high.

Throw in Soundgarden on that list.

And if Layne Staley wasn't on the dead list, I'd throw Alice in Chains in there, as well.

[Fortress]

None of those bands is a "metal" band IMO... Rock yeah, maybe even "hard rock," but metal??? Slayer, Dark Throne, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, etc were the metal bands of the 90's.

None metal?! Uh ... Huh?! Scorpions (most of the material) is metal; Ozzy is metal; Van Halen's first six is metal; AC/DC is ... mostly hard rock (but is very "metal" in its whole "thing"); Maiden is METAL (one of the style's very pillars); Metallica is metal (only the first four releases matter, for me, and it's one of the Big Four of '80s thrash); Anthrax is metal (one of the '80s' Big Four of thrash); Queensryche is metal (at least up until Empire, and then again after Geoff was replaced, on the last two); and Priest IS METAL (arguably one of the genre's very greatest architects).

And just so you know, I'm 45, and I have been listening faithfully to hard rock and heavy metal since I was 12. Own the entire discographies from every band you mention. And any available DVDs.

I buy, on average, between five and 10 CDs, each and every week.

I have a collection of extreme metal (thrash, death, black, etc.) that numbers in the thousands.

I adore some of the harshest, most extreme and vicious bands under the very wide (and inclusive) umbrella known as heavy metal.

For you to state bands like Priest, Maiden and Anthrax aren't metal is pure nonsense/a major attempt to appear contemporarily tr00.

Or you're just new to the music. As in, been a fan for less than 10 years.

I hate those who always try to move metal's lineage timeline further forward along as time passes. It's disrespectful to the style and shows an unwillingness to embrace the inherent sturdiness of this very progressive and sturdy musical form.

  

 

[Fortress]

What once was called metal is now called rock. Shout at the Devil was a metal album when it came out.

No. What was once called metal is STILL called metal (country music from 1935 is still country music). Shout At The Devil will always be a metal record.

[Fortress]

These latter-day genre/sub-genre busybodies can fuck right off. Priest, Sabbath, Maiden, Dio, Chains, Tool, Soundgarden, all metal to me. Even much of the hairstuff, far as I care.

Of course. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and exposes that person's lack of knowledge about metal's LONG history. Heavy metal is rock's longest enduring substyle.

[njflex]

None metal?! Uh ... Huh?! Scorpions (most of the material) is metal; Ozzy is metal; Van Halen's first six is metal; AC/DC is ... mostly hard rock (but is very "metal" in its whole "thing"); Maiden is METAL (one of the style's very pillars); Metallica is metal (only the first for releases matter, and one of the Big Four of '80s thrash); Anthrax is metal (one of the '80s' Big Four of thrash); Queensryche is metal (at least up until Empire, and then again after Geoff was replaced, on the last two); and Priest IS METAL (arguably one of the genre's very greatest architects).

And just so you know, I'm 45, and I have been listening faithfully to hard rock and heavy metal since I was 12. Own the entire discographies from every band you mention. And any available DVDs.

I buy, on average, between five and 10 CDs, each and every week.

I have a collection of extreme metal (thrash, death, black, etc.) that numbers in the thousands.

I adore some of the harshest, most extreme and vicious bands under the very wide (and inclusive) umbrella known as heavy metal.

For you to state bands like Priest, Maiden and Anthrax aren't metal is pure nonsense/a major attempt to appear contemporarily tr00.

Or you're just new to the music. As in, been a fan for less than 10 years.

I hate those who always try to move metal's lineage timeline further forward along as time passes. It's disrespectful to the style and shows an unwillingness to embrace the inherent sturdiness of this very progressive and sturdy musical form.

  

 

I'M pretty much on board with all of this ,I have everything vh made I would not consider them 'heavy metal'hard rock/guitar rock/arena rock yes..Sabbath/maiden/priest heavy metal top 3,,,zeppelin certainly isn't metal but played loud and had many strong heavy songs but not metal just like VH..

[Fortress]

I'M pretty much on board with all of this ,I have everything vh made I would not consider them 'heavy metal'hard rock/guitar rock/arena rock yes..Sabbath/maiden/priest heavy metal top 3,,,zeppelin certainly isn't metal but played loud and had many strong heavy songs but not metal just like VH..

If music like "Unchained" isn't metal ('70s American style) then ... ?

Zeppelin isn't strictly a metal band, no, but it was one of only a few groups that can lay claim to being a true prototype (that unarguably wrote and recorded quite a few heavy metal songs).

[njflex]

If music like "Unchained" isn't metal ('70s American style) then ... ?

Zeppelin isn't strictly a metal band, no, but it was one of only a few groups that can lay claim to being a true prototype (that unarguably wrote and recorded quite a few heavy metal songs).

GROUPS like saxon/and the big 3 I mentioned started late 70's and bigger in the 80's layed the groundwork for that sound,VH was California band heavy on guitars and light vocals 'stage act'yeah some stuff  was heavy but to me still a hard rock band compared to those others I mentioned,ac/dc is considered hard rock they had heavier sound when b Johnson came aboard.

[NelsonMuntz]

Of course. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and exposes that person's lack of knowledge about metal's LONG history. Heavy metal is rock's longest enduring substyle.

Hendrix, Bad Company, Creem, Steppenwolf are others who started the early screams of the heavy metal genre.

Good call on Scorpions, those guys have also been a band for like 50 years

[njflex]

Hendrix, Bad Company, Creem, Steppenwolf are others who started the early screams of the heavy metal genre.

Good call on Scorpions, those guys have also been a band for like 50 years

that's where it gets crazy but yeah I guess you can say the same for who you mentioned throw in 'blue cheer'as well.

[240 is Back]

GROUPS like saxon

Are you a fan of saxon?

[NelsonMuntz]

that's where it gets crazy but yeah I guess you can say the same for who you mentioned throw in 'blue cheer'as well.

song starts at 1:11 good shit

[MP]

Queensryche is metal (at least up until Empire, and then again after Geoff was replaced, on the last two)

I thought Promised Land was very good, but just garbage after that.

Your thoughts on Promised Land?

45-year-old metal head here as well.

[Raymondo]

None metal?! Uh ... Huh?! Scorpions (most of the material) is metal; Ozzy is metal; Van Halen's first six is metal; AC/DC is ... mostly hard rock (but is very "metal" in its whole "thing"); Maiden is METAL (one of the style's very pillars); Metallica is metal (only the first four releases matter, for me, and it's one of the Big Four of '80s thrash); Anthrax is metal (one of the '80s' Big Four of thrash); Queensryche is metal (at least up until Empire, and then again after Geoff was replaced, on the last two); and Priest IS METAL (arguably one of the genre's very greatest architects).

And just so you know, I'm 45, and I have been listening faithfully to hard rock and heavy metal since I was 12. Own the entire discographies from every band you mention. And any available DVDs.

I buy, on average, between five and 10 CDs, each and every week.

I have a collection of extreme metal (thrash, death, black, etc.) that numbers in the thousands.

I adore some of the harshest, most extreme and vicious bands under the very wide (and inclusive) umbrella known as heavy metal.

For you to state bands like Priest, Maiden and Anthrax aren't metal is pure nonsense/a major attempt to appear contemporarily tr00.

Or you're just new to the music. As in, been a fan for less than 10 years.

I hate those who always try to move metal's lineage timeline further forward along as time passes. It's disrespectful to the style and shows an unwillingness to embrace the inherent sturdiness of this very progressive and sturdy musical form.

  

 

I used to get into these sort of arguments too... when I was eighteen years old.

[Irongrip400]

song starts at 1:11 good shit

Fucking awesome clip.

[Fortress]

I thought Promised Land was very good, but just garbage after that.

Your thoughts on Promised Land?

45-year-old metal head here as well.

You know, I own that album, but truth be told, I haven't listened to it in a very long time. As I remember, it is quite good. Moody. The song "Damaged" stands out as a killer number, for sure. I'll remedy my long time away from it. Thanks.

I actually enjoy Hear In The Now Frontier, the last with (awesome guy) DeGarmo, as well. However, I fully concede it's much less a metal album than one born of its confused-time-for-metal-bands era. Like grunge-lite, with a tightness and progressiveness unlike those Seattle groups.

Check out the latest with the new singer. It's a return to (mid-years) form. 

[Fortress]

I used to get into these sort of arguments too... when I was eighteen years old.

And then you aged and lost your passion. I get it. Happens to most.

P.S. I'm not "arguing".