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[The True Adonis]

One soldier, one year: $850,000 and rising. By Larry Shaughnessy.
Keeping one American service member in Afghanistan costs between $850,000 and $1.4 million a year, depending on who you ask. But one matter is clear, that cost is going up.Feb 28, 2012
One soldier, one year - CNN Security Clearance

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/one-soldier-one-year-850000-and-rising/

[drkaje]

But that's our fault for letting it get this fault.

We should not be there.
The GI Bill doesn't really cover enough for education anymore due to the extreme expense.

It's been out of hands for years.

We wouldn't need a GI bill. Do four years and get tuition paid at a state school.

I'd also be in favor of community service.

[The True Adonis]

Exactly......Adonis is proposing to have/use the government to get Americans out of debt.

That is Wiggs type stupid.

One of the main reasons this country is so screwed up is government intrusion into our personal lives. There is no way in hell an administration as incompetent and self-serving as the Obozo administration is going to be able to manage the personal finances of Generation Entitlement and thirty-something year old liberal she-men

And you want the government to spend 1 million dollars on one soldier just so they can get the GI bill.

You tell me who is stupid.

Fiscal Conservative.  Don't. Make. Me. Fucking. Laugh.

Pathetic.

[The True Adonis]

But that's our fault for letting it get this fault.

We should not be there.
The GI Bill doesn't really cover enough for education anymore due to the extreme expense.

Hell it costs around 1 million dollars for just one soldier for one year.

Thats a lot of money from tax payers just so Johnny can get his GI bill, which will add to the cost. 

Republicans are hilarious.

[drkaje]

One soldier, one year: $850,000 and rising. By Larry Shaughnessy.
Keeping one American service member in Afghanistan costs between $850,000 and $1.4 million a year, depending on who you ask. But one matter is clear, that cost is going up.Feb 28, 2012
One soldier, one year - CNN Security Clearance

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/one-soldier-one-year-850000-and-rising/

Are you stupid or an ideologue?

If stupid: You won't possibly understand how stupid the number is posted and how it was derived, and why it's bullshit.

If an ideologue: You already know its bullshit and are hoping one of us is stupid.

[TuHolmes]

It's been out of hands for years.

We wouldn't need a GI bill. Do four years and get tuition paid at a state school.

I'd also be in favor of community service.

The cost of keeping troops far outweighs the cost of education and education is too expensive.

I think free education and go do something after school. Or maintain a minimum GPA in a degree of study that is beneficial.

Math, sciences, engineer, architecture, just to name a few.

If you want to learn music history or whatever, you gotta pay.

I'll just ask this.

Which one would be more beneficial to our society. Paying more for people to go blow things up 1/2 a world away (I'm not talking about actual defense of our nation) or pay for a person to learn something that may lead to cold fusion?

[The True Adonis]

Hell, the cost went up:

http://news.yahoo.com/it-costs--2-1-million-per-year-for-each-soldier-deployed-in-afghanistan--report-133150602.html

In 2014, it will cost an average of an eye-popping $2.1 million for every U.S. troop serving in Afghanistan, according to a report from the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA).
To put this in context, the report, which analyzed the Pentagon's budget, found that from 2008 to 2013, the per-troop cost was roughly $1.3 million.

[The True Adonis]

Are you stupid or an ideologue?

If stupid: You won't possibly understand how stupid the number is posted and how it was derived, and why it's bullshit.

If an ideologue: You already know its bullshit and are hoping one of us is stupid.

Yes because drkaje, internet budget expert with his hands on classified internets documents, knows more than the people who actually help write the budget.   

[The True Adonis]

The cost of keeping troops far outweighs the cost of education and education is too expensive.

I think free education and go do something after school. Or maintain a minimum GPA in a degree of study that is beneficial.

Math, sciences, engineer, architecture, just to name a few.

If you want to learn music history or whatever, you gotta pay.

I'll just ask this.

Which one would be more beneficial to our society. Paying more for people to go blow things up 1/2 a world away (I'm not talking about actual defense of our nation) or pay for a person to learn something that may lead to cold fusion?

They want the tax payer to pay millions and millions of dollars for one soldier, so they can get a GI bill which will also add to the tab.

They think that makes sense fiscally.  Fucking hilarious isn't it.   

[Walter Sobchak]

It would be cheaper if you did not make them serve in the military.  Do you know how much it costs the government to train and house just one soldier for 4 years? 

Republicans at it again, not realizing long term costs.   

Bullshit.

Your premise was that you wanted the taxpayers to fund someone else's poor choices and responsibilities. Typical liberal stance that you want something for free without putting any skin in the game or being accountable for your debt/actions. Where does it say that anyone has the right to a free college or university education?

The system of borrowing money to get a degree is not broken and allows many hard working people to better themselves. People borrowing a ton of money for eight years of partying and a shitty degree are at fault for their own problems. I'm sure, like you, that realization that they are not special and unique little snowflakes with their $200,000 history degree is devastating, but the world needs Walmart clerks too.

[TuHolmes]

They want the tax payer to pay millions and millions of dollars for one soldier, so they can get a GI bill which will also add to the tab.

They think that makes sense fiscally.  Fucking hilarious isn't it.   

Certainly policing the world is an expensive task.

Especially considering that the people that we are doing the police work for, never pay a cent.

[Walter Sobchak]

One soldier, one year: $850,000 and rising. By Larry Shaughnessy.
Keeping one American service member in Afghanistan costs between $850,000 and $1.4 million a year, depending on who you ask. But one matter is clear, that cost is going up.Feb 28, 2012
One soldier, one year - CNN Security Clearance

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/one-soldier-one-year-850000-and-rising/

Try to keep up drop-out.

I never said they had to be stationed in Afghanistan

[The True Adonis]

Certainly policing the world is an expensive task.

Especially considering that the people that we are doing the police work for, never pay a cent.

The other hilarious takeaway here is what Walter and his friends answers were.................... .....................Soc ialism.

Go in the military, the largest Socialist entity of our government, in order to get a GI bill- another Socialist program thanks to FDR.

Hilarious.

You can't make this shit up.

[Walter Sobchak]

And you want the government to spend 1 million dollars on one soldier just so they can get the GI bill.

You tell me who is stupid.

Fiscal Conservative.  Don't. Make. Me. Fucking. Laugh.

Pathetic.

Weak strawman argument.

There are many other places a soldier could be stationed, including right here in the U.S.

Try to follow along.

[The True Adonis]

Try to keep up drop-out.

I never said they had to be stationed in Afghanistan

Ok snowflake, tell me again how it would be cheaper for the taxpayer even if they were not in Afghanistan.     I am literally, all ears.  

You are just proving my point further.  Even if they are not sent to Afghanistan or anywhere, it will still be more expensive for just one soldier to get a fucking GI bill.  

Do you even know how to add?

[TuHolmes]

Bullshit.

Your premise was that you wanted the taxpayers to fund someone else's poor choices and responsibilities. Typical liberal stance that you want something for free without putting any skin in the game or being accountable for your debt/actions. Where does it say that anyone has the right to a free college or university education?

The system of borrowing money to get a degree is not broken and allows many hard working people to better themselves. People borrowing a ton of money for eight years of partying and a shitty degree are at fault for their own problems. I'm sure, like you, that realization that they are not special and unique little snowflakes with their $200,000 history degree is devastating, but the world needs Walmart clerks too.

You ever watch a show about the history of WW2? I watch the American Heroes Channel all of the time.

Stuff about Vietnam, Gulf War, WW2, Old West History... It's great.

Someone with a history degree is why we are still able to know, understand, and learn from the past.

It's not quite the same as a degree in "fashion".

A lot of degrees have value, a lot don't, but I don't think History or Literature are technically devalued.

Maybe they would be 50% of the normal tuition rate, but they would cost due to it not leaving a skill after.

[The True Adonis]

Weak strawman argument.

There are many other places a soldier could be stationed, including right here in the U.S.

Try to follow along.

Ok snowflake, tell me again how it would be cheaper for the taxpayer even if they were not in Afghanistan.     I am literally, all ears.  

You are just proving my point further.  Even if they are not sent to Afghanistan or anywhere, it will still be more expensive for just one soldier to get a fucking GI bill.  

Do you even know how to add?  

[Walter Sobchak]

The other hilarious takeaway here is what Walter and his friends answers were.................... .....................Soc ialism.

Go in the military, the largest Socialist entity of our government, in order to get a GI bill- another Socialist program thanks to FDR.

Hilarious.

You can't make this shit up.

Actually.....your answer is far more dependent on the government. Free 8 year useless degree, no job, unemployment for a few years, then welfare.

The liberal utopia.

[The True Adonis]

You ever watch a show about the history of WW2? I watch the American Heroes Channel all of the time.

Stuff about Vietnam, Gulf War, WW2, Old West History... It's great.

Someone with a history degree is why we are still able to know, understand, and learn from the past.

It's not quite the same as a degree in "fashion".

A lot of degrees have value, a lot don't, but I don't think History or Literature are technically devalued.

Maybe they would be 50% of the normal tuition rate, but they would cost due to it not leaving a skill after.

All you got to do is read Getbig for a while to realize that we need more people who actually know stuff and can teach it.  

[The True Adonis]

Actually.....your answer is far more dependent on the government. Free 8 year useless degree, no job, unemployment for a few years, then welfare.

The liberal utopia.

8 years? 
No job? 
Unemployment? 
Welfare? 

Why are you having such trouble staying on topic?

[drkaje]

Yes because drkaje, internet budget expert with his hands on classified internets documents, knows more than the people who actually help write the budget.   

Just as I thought. You want to believe it's true.

Anyone stupid enough to misunderstand the difference between infrastructure vs training one soldier should have a court-mandated care attendant.

The information's only useful if you can sift through the bullshit and figure out how the statistics were manipulated. I'm no rocket surgeon and it was fairly simple to surmise how the number was arrived at.

The people who argued that the democratization of information would lead to a more educated society have been proven wrong with your post, LOL!

[TuHolmes]

Actually.....your answer is far more dependent on the government. Free 8 year useless degree, no job, unemployment for a few years, then welfare.

The liberal utopia.

Could you clarify why they would get a useless degree, not have a job, and be unemployed, then receive welfare because they got a free education?

I mean, I'm not trying to pick nits, but Australia has unemployment rate on par with the US and it was much better than ours during the economic downturn a few years ago.

They took the unemployed, retrained them, and put them back to work.

I'm not saying their system is amazing or fantastic, but they didn't have more unemployment because they gave people a free education.

In case you are wondering, I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested in why you believe people with an education would automatically be unemployed.

Just as a reminder, I am saying they should have to maintain a good standard of GPA to continue to receive this "scholarship" so to speak.

[The True Adonis]

Just as I thought. You want to believe it's true.

Anyone stupid enough to misunderstand the difference between infrastructure vs training one soldier should have a court-mandated care attendant.

The information's only useful if you can sift through the bullshit and figure out how the statistics were manipulated. I'm no rocket surgeon and it was fairly simple to surmise how the number was arrived at.

The people who argued that the democratization of information would lead to a more educated society have been proven wrong with your post, LOL!

So what you are saying is that you want the American tax payer to fund 4 years of military for one soldier so they can in turn fund 4 years in college?

Maybe that is the 8 years Walter was talking about?  

Tell me again how that is cost effective.  

[Walter Sobchak]

Ok snowflake, tell me again how it would be cheaper for the taxpayer even if they were not in Afghanistan.     I am literally, all ears.  

You are just proving my point further.  Even if they are not sent to Afghanistan or anywhere, it will still be more expensive for just one soldier to get a fucking GI bill.  

Do you even know how to add?

You really are stupid.

The obvious $200K the taxpayer pays for zero return in your scenario versus the $200K in service in return for the degree. Or in the case where the service comes first, you can beginning training toward a degree or skill.

The cost of a soldier deployment is constant whether a GI Bill student or regular enlisted man. Taxpayers are going to pay that in either case. Which is obviously higher in times of war.

[2scared2post]

Hahaha, bunch of old deadbeats arguing about this on the Internet.

Go do something with your pathetic remaining years.