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[Walter Sobchak]

8 years? 
No job? 
Unemployment? 
Welfare? 

Why are you having such trouble staying on topic?

That is the topic. That is exactly what you want to fund with other people's tax dollars.

Don't call it a Learning Center, call it what it really is......Adult Daycare

[The True Adonis]

Could you clarify why they would get a useless degree, not have a job, and be unemployed, then receive welfare because they got a free education?

I mean, I'm not trying to pick nits, but Australia has unemployment rate on par with the US and it was much better than ours during the economic downturn a few years ago.

They took the unemployed, retrained them, and put them back to work.

I'm not saying their system is amazing or fantastic, but they didn't have more unemployment because they gave people a free education.

In case you are wondering, I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested in why you believe people with an education would automatically be unemployed.

Just as a reminder, I am saying they should have to maintain a good standard of GPA to continue to receive this "scholarship" so to speak.

Walter is actually the one who wants the American tax payer to pay 4 years for military for one soldier and 4 years of college which equals 8 years.

[The True Adonis]

You really are stupid.

The obvious $200K the taxpayer pays for zero return in your scenario versus the $200K in service in return for the degree. Or in the case where the service comes first, you can beginning training toward a degree or skill.

The cost of a soldier deployment is constant whether a GI Bill student or regular enlisted man. Taxpayers are going to pay that in either case. Which is obviously higher in times of war.

Again, your "brilliant" solution was- "Want a 4 year degree for free, 4 years in the military". (8 years)

Do you know what "free" means?  Do you know how much your "solution" costs the taxpayer for just one person if they do that?

Can you add?

[2scared2post]

Old people arguing over the intenet of peace.

[TuHolmes]

Old people arguing over the intenet of peace.

No one is arguing kid.

It's just a discussion.

[Walter Sobchak]

Could you clarify why they would get a useless degree, not have a job, and be unemployed, then receive welfare because they got a free education?

I mean, I'm not trying to pick nits, but Australia has unemployment rate on par with the US and it was much better than ours during the economic downturn a few years ago.

They took the unemployed, retrained them, and put them back to work.

I'm not saying their system is amazing or fantastic, but they didn't have more unemployment because they gave people a free education.

In case you are wondering, I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested in why you believe people with an education would automatically be unemployed.

Just as a reminder, I am saying they should have to maintain a good standard of GPA to continue to receive this "scholarship" so to speak.

You're talking about re-training people who were successful working members of society and want to work.

I'm talking about the absurd handout we would be using taxpayers money to fund being given to an entire group of people not interested in working, being responsible for their actions, and feel this is owed to them.

[2scared2post]

You're talking about re-training people who were successful working members of society and want to work.

I'm talking about the absurd handout we would be using taxpayers money to fund being given to an entire group of people not interested in working, being responsible for their actions, and feel this is owed to them.

[The True Adonis]

You're talking about re-training people who were successful working members of society and want to work.

I'm talking about the absurd handout we would be using taxpayers money to fund being given to an entire group of people not interested in working, being responsible for their actions, and feel this is owed to them.

The military is filled with scum who want handouts, Like Navy_Mike.  Are you aware of that?

[Walter Sobchak]

Walter is actually the one who wants the American tax payer to pay 4 years for military for one soldier and 4 years of college which equals 8 years.

You still have no clue what the costs included in the link you provided.

The armed forces are going to have to build the infrastructure to fight a war or protect a foreign land regardless of whether the soldier is GI Bill or regular enlisted.

You really aren't able to comprehend this are you?

You really cannot grasp any type of fixed cost concept, or cost of safety and protection supplied by the armed forces.

You want a taxpayer funded adult daycare for liberal twats to hide in for 8 years before graduating with a useless degree.

[TuHolmes]

You're talking about re-training people who were successful working members of society and want to work.

I'm talking about the absurd handout we would be using taxpayers money to fund being given to an entire group of people not interested in working, being responsible for their actions, and feel this is owed to them.

I mentioned Australia, but that is not the real basis of my point.

How can you say they aren't interested in working because they have a free education?

The two do not seem connected at all.

[Walter Sobchak]

The military is filled with scum who want handouts, Like Navy_Mike.  Are you aware of that?

Society is Adam.

But if Navy Mike signed up and put his life on the line to defend the U.S., you will never hear me criticize that. I'm fully in support of the US taking better care of veterans and funding it by decreasing handout programs

[Walter Sobchak]

I mentioned Australia, but that is not the real basis of my point.

How can you say they aren't interested in working because they have a free education?

The two do not seem connected at all.

If I paid you to go to college and party for as long as you wanted, with no debt or obligation when you finally decided to graduate.....what would be your motivation to study hard in a challenging degree and go to work?

[The True Adonis]

You still have no clue what the costs included in the link you provided.

The armed forces are going to have to build the infrastructure to fight a war or protect a foreign land regardless of whether the soldier is GI Bill or regular enlisted.

You really aren't able to comprehend this are you?

You really cannot grasp any type of fixed cost concept, or cost of safety and protection supplied by the armed forces.

You want a taxpayer funded adult daycare for liberal twats to hide in for 8 years before graduating with a useless degree.

Your argument was not every soldier gets sent to Afghanistan or anywhere.  I agree.  But you also have FAILED to show me how its cheaper to make the American tax payer fund one soldier-who DOES NOT get deployed anywhere- for four years to get a GI bill for another 4 year draw on the tax payer.

The first four years will be way more expensive than the 4 years of GI bill.  Do you not see that?

Also, are you aware that soldiers can use the GI bill for "useless" degrees?  Or has that escaped you as well?

[The True Adonis]

If I paid you to go to college and party for as long as you wanted, with no debt or obligation when you finally decided to graduate.....what would be your motivation to study hard in a challenging degree and go to work?

Maybe you want nice things?    Maybe you want to start a family?  Maybe you enjoy helping animals? Maybe you like to brag on the internet how much money you make? Everyone has a different motivation.

[The True Adonis]

If I paid you to go to college and party for as long as you wanted, with no debt or obligation when you finally decided to graduate.....what would be your motivation to study hard in a challenging degree and go to work?

What was your idol Donald Trump's motivation to study hard in a challenging degree after going to college, partying with no debt?

[Walter Sobchak]

Your argument was not every soldier gets sent to Afghanistan or anywhere.  I agree.  But you also have FAILED to show me how its cheaper to make the American tax payer fund one soldier-who DOES NOT get deployed anywhere- for four years to get a GI bill for another 4 year draw on the tax payer.

The first four years will be way more expensive than the 4 years of GI bill.  Do you not see that?

Also, are you aware that soldiers can use the GI bill for "useless" degrees?  Or has that escaped you as well?

If a person wants to trade four years military service for a useless degree that is their choice. As long as it is not paid as a 100%, no obligation handout using taxpayer money.

[TuHolmes]

If I paid you to go to college and party for as long as you wanted, with no debt or obligation when you finally decided to graduate.....what would be your motivation to study hard in a challenging degree and go to work?

Why wouldn't it be? People who want to do better will appreciate the assistance and work hard to get to the end and be able to better themselves.

Why are all of these evil socialist countries that have free education doing better than the US when it comes to things like sciences and math? Why are a large number of advancements in the sciences being done elsewhere than here if our system is so much better?

Are you holding people to some arbitrary standard? I also mentioned there would be no "partying", there would be a GPA requirement and you aren't going to get a high GPA if all you do is party.

[Walter Sobchak]

What was your idol Donald Trump's motivation to study hard in a challenging degree after going to college, partying with no debt?

I don't remember saying Donald Trump was my idol.

You're scrambling now dumbo ears.

[The True Adonis]

If a person wants to trade four years military service for a useless degree that is their choice. As long as it is not paid as a 100%, no obligation handout using taxpayer money.

How do you determine what is useless and what is not?

Someone with a Mechanical Engineering degree who wants to be a manager at Starbucks?  

Or a Marine who majors in Dance, opens up a large Dance studio  and is artistic director of Exit 12 Dance Company in New York. Founding Exit 12 in 2007, a year after coming home from Iraq. Exit 12 focuses on choreographing works that relay the experiences of veterans and their families, often in ways that language cannot express.

How One Former Marine Used Ballet To Spread Veterans' Stories Around The World





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/roman-baca-dance_n_6753020.html

[Walter Sobchak]

Why wouldn't it be? People who want to do better will appreciate the assistance and work hard to get to the end and be able to better themselves.

Why are all of these evil socialist countries that have free education doing better than the US when it comes to things like sciences and math? Why are a large number of advancements in the sciences being done elsewhere than here if our system is so much better?

Are you holding people to some arbitrary standard? I also mentioned there would be no "partying", there would be a GPA requirement and you aren't going to get a high GPA if all you do is party.

So you feel a student loan should be forgiven if you maintain a certain GPA?

[TuHolmes]

So you feel a student loan should be forgiven if you maintain a certain GPA?

I would be ok with that. Sure... Say anything 3.0 and above?

I am being somewhat arbitrary, but what's wrong with a B average being the criteria?

[Walter Sobchak]

I would be ok with that. Sure... Say anything 3.0 and above?

I am being somewhat arbitrary, but what's wrong with a B average being the criteria?

So a B average for an English Lit degree at Yale at $85,000 a year tuition is okay and forgivable?

But a person with a C+ average in biomedical engineering at MIT gas to pay their own way??

[Primemuscle]

Sf who do you plan on voting for? I think all the candidates are terrible 

Sorry to butt in, but I just wanted to say I agree with you.

[Walter Sobchak]

How do you determine what is useless and what is not?

Someone with a Mechanical Engineering degree who wants to be a manager at Starbucks?  

Or a Marine who majors in Dance, opens up a large Dance studio  and is artistic director of Exit 12 Dance Company in New York. Founding Exit 12 in 2007, a year after coming home from Iraq. Exit 12 focuses on choreographing works that relay the experiences of veterans and their families, often in ways that language cannot express.

How One Former Marine Used Ballet To Spread Veterans' Stories Around The World





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/roman-baca-dance_n_6753020.html

What does this have to do with your Adult Daycare concept?

I don't care if someone studies Engineering or Computer Science.....as long as it is not a 100% handout using taxpayer money

[TuHolmes]

So a B average for an English Lit degree at Yale at $85,000 a year tuition is okay and forgivable?

But a person with a C+ average in biomedical engineering at MIT gas to pay their own way??

I have never once mentioned English Lit, so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

I am flexible in giving it a sliding scale... English Lit (since you brought it up, not me, would require  3.5 or a 4) and Engineering would perhaps be a B.

MIT wouldn't be feasible as it's a private institution, not a public one.

So no... The BME kid would have to pay their own way no matter what.