Knifeman screams 'this is for Syria' in Leytonstone tube machete attack!

[SF1900]

Listen, no rationale person can say a knife can kill as many people as a gun can. What kind of arguments are these gun nutters coming up with? Lol at actually believing that a knife is just as dangerous as a gun. I've heard it all!!

[Kazan]

Listen, no rationale person can say a knife can kill as many people as a gun can. What kind of arguments are these gun nutters coming up with? Lol at actually believing that a knife is just as dangerous as a gun. I've heard it all!!

What exactly is a gun nutter? I keep hearing this stupid fucking term

[Conker]

You act like you put a gun in someones hands and they are an expert marksman, it isn't that easy to hit a moving target. What do all those listed above have in common? confined area where people can't escape.

agree with all that. not sure what your argument is. a tube station in london is also a confined busy place. if you had a gun, people will run but you would keep encountering more to shoot.

[Conker]

How does the UK get illegal drugs into that country? Must be hard as fuck to do any drugs in the UK.

no it's really easy to get drugs, guns are a lot harder to come by for most.

[SF1900]

What exactly is a gun nutter? I keep hearing this stupid fucking term

Browse getbig gun threads and you will find out.  

[BB]

Listen, no rationale person can say a knife can kill as many people as a gun can. What kind of arguments are these gun nutters coming up with? Lol at actually believing that a knife is just as dangerous as a gun. I've heard it all!!

We just haven't gotten good at it . Japanese and Chinese murderers have racked up pretty high totals with knives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312) .

http://www.google.com/search?q=knife+attacks+in+asia&oq=knife+attacks+in+asia&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.12487j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 .

[Kazan]

agree with all that. not sure what your argument is. a tube station in london is also a confined busy place. if you had a gun, people will run but you would keep encountering more to shoot.

Atleast there is an escape route, try getting out of the middle seat in a theater, or get trapped in a classroom

[Lustral]

How does the UK get illegal drugs into that country? Must be hard as fuck to do any drugs in the UK.

Last I checked you couldn't swallow a gun in pieces or shove it up your ass to get by security.

[SF1900]

We just haven't gotten good at it . Japanese and Chinese murderers have racked up pretty high totals with knives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312) .

http://www.google.com/search?q=knife+attacks+in+asia&oq=knife+attacks+in+asia&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.12487j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 .

Yes, but they could be a lot more effective if they were skilled with a gun.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes, but they could be a lot more effective if they were skilled with a gun.

They would be , however the point stands , people hell bent on mass carnage will find a way. So banning guns just changes the tools in which the damage is done , while punishing and preventing tens of thousands of people from defending themselves each year.

Banning guns isn't a solution, it's illogical and just creates more violence.

[SF1900]

They would be , however the point stands , people hell bent on mass carnage will find a way. So banning guns just changes the tools in which the damage is done , while punishing and preventing tens of thousands of people from defending themselves each year.

Banning guns isn't a solution, it's illogical and just creates more violence.

I never said ban guns.

However, my point still stands. There is a much better chance of causing carnage with a gun than a knife. It doesn't mean a knife can't cause carnage, but OVERALL, you have a much better chance with a gun than a knife.

[Lustral]

They would be , however the point stands , people hell bent on mass carnage will find a way. So banning guns just changes the tools in which the damage is done , while punishing and preventing tens of thousands of people from defending themselves each year.

Banning guns isn't a solution, it's illogical and just creates more violence.

How many monkey serial killers are there? Seriously. Or lions. Male lions kill others to defend their territory and fuck females. I have never seen a lion kill 20 lions in half an hour. I have seen videos of guns do it.

Stop diverting the point. Guns CAN be used to create MORE destruction in LESS time than knives or sticks etc. Stop pretending that being able to defend yourself with one (of course I would prefer a gun versus a person with a machete) mitigates some psycho going crazy and killing lots of people quickly.

I don't want to dredge up statistics but if you haven't noticed noone is saying ban guns here. Least not me or sf or 99% of America. Just stop vomiting propaganda on how they defend you when  a video is posted of a knife attack saying "this wouldn't happen in America, we have guns" when it happens every fucking day and does a lot more damage even though you DO have guns.

[BB]

Meh. Criminals evolve, if a total gun ban happens, they'll simply move in a few years to simpler guns like Sten tube based designs, 3d printed ARs, etc.... And the whole business will just get more expensive by a few hundred dollars.

Or perhaps they'll move to odder methods like driving their cars into gatherings, or HappyLand style* arsons.

* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire.

[NarcissisticDeity]

How many monkey serial killers are there? Seriously. Or lions. Male lions kill others to defend their territory and fuck females. I have never seen a lion kill 20 lions in half an hour. I have seen videos of guns do it.

Stop diverting the point. Guns CAN be used to create MORE destruction in LESS time than knives or sticks etc. Stop pretending that being able to defend yourself with one (of course I would prefer a gun versus a person with a machete) mitigates some psycho going crazy and killing lots of people quickly.

I don't want to dredge up statistics but if you haven't noticed noone is saying ban guns here. Least not me or sf or 99% of America. Just stop vomiting propaganda on how they defend you when  a video is posted of a knife attack saying "this wouldn't happen in America, we have guns" when it happens every fucking day and does a lot more damage even though you DO have guns.

How many monkey serial killers are there? Seriously. Or lions. Male lions kill others to defend their territory and fuck females. I have never seen a lion kill 20 lions in half an hour. I have seen videos of guns do it.

And?  

Stop diverting the point. Guns CAN be used to create MORE destruction in LESS time than knives or sticks etc. Stop pretending that being able to defend yourself with one (of course I would prefer a gun versus a person with a machete) mitigates some psycho going crazy and killing lots of people quickly.

Not diverting in the least , I agree they are more efficient at killing faster than a knife. And you don't get to just ignore the fact that 80k people ( and that's taking the absolute lowest figure ) use guns to defend themselves each year. Yes 80k mitigates 20 people , sorry if we're going to have to choose , I'll choose 80K. Your solution? ban guns so 80K are fucked as well as the psycho just killing 10 with knifes instead of 20 lol What school of logic did you go to?  

I don't want to dredge up statistics but if you haven't noticed noone is saying ban guns here. Least not me or sf or 99% of America. Just stop vomiting propaganda on how they defend you when  a video is posted of a knife attack saying "this wouldn't happen in America, we have guns" when it happens every fucking day and does a lot more damage even though you DO have guns.

Oh you are DEAD WRONG people are calling for complete bans on all personal ownage of firearms , politicians included , a complete repeal of the Second Amendment

Quick example Maryland Attorney General calling for a ban on all guns period.
http://www.projectveritas.com/posts/news/maryland-attorney-general%E2%80%99s-office-sex-guns-and-egregious-ethical-violations

Senator Diane Finestein

And it's not propaganda if it's true , sorry even Anti-gun advocate concede people use firearms in self defense every year. Guns are more efficient at killing people absolutely , it's why police use them and we go to war with them. But that's a double edge sword , they can be used for destruction or defense.

  

[NarcissisticDeity]

I never said ban guns.

However, my point still stands. There is a much better chance of causing carnage with a gun than a knife. It doesn't mean a knife can't cause carnage, but OVERALL, you have a much better chance with a gun than a knife.

I agree with that , it's obvious. But every " solution " being foisted by the left , is nothing more than subterfuge.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No one is talking about a " ban " 

         Former Sen. Bill Bradley, Al Gore's sole rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is considering including a ban on the sale of handguns in an aggressive gun control plan that he will announce later in his campaign, the Associated Press reports.

              "I'm considering all the alternatives," the former New Jersey lawmaker said Monday in an interview with reporter Ron Fournier.  Mr. Bradley already has endorsed a " handgun card, " a photo identity card required of anybody carrying a handgun.

              Greg Pierce, Where's the Outrage?, Washington Times, May 26, 1999, at A6.

* * *
              Mayor Dianne Feinstein [now U.S. Senator, D.-Cal.] moved yesterday to make San Francisco the nation's first major city to ban handguns for personal use.

              UPI, Feinstein Seeks To Ban Handguns In San Francisco, Feb. 26, 1982.

* * *
              Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros and Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke signed the Communitarian Network's The Case for Domestic Disarmament, which among other thing said:

              There is little sense in gun registration.  What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . .  Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . .  Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order.

* * *
              I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . .  It is time to act.  We cannot go on like this.  Ban them!

              Sen. John H. Chafee (R.-R.I.), In View of Handguns' Effects, There's Only One Answer: A Ban, Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 15, 1992, at 13A.

* * *
              "My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill.  We don't have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets.  Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use.  But that's the endgame.  And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation."  Evan Osnos, Bobby Rush; Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999, at C3 (quoting Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.)).

* * *
              Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition.  It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns.  It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind.

              Rep. Major Owens (D-Brooklyn, N.Y.), 139 Cong. Rec. H9088 at H9094, Nov. 10, 1993.

* * *
              Rep. William L. Clay (D-St. Louis, Mo.), said the Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns.  "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases," Clay said.

              Robert L. Koenig, NRA-Backed Measure May Derail Brady Bill, St. Louis Post Dispatch, May 8, 1993, at 1A.

* * *
              Maryland Attorney General J. Joseph Curran is proposing a wide-ranging package of laws that would make the state's gun control regulations among the strictest in the nation and says his ultimate goal is a ban on handguns.

              Daniel LeDuc, Tough Laws For Guns Proposed In Maryland; Attorney General Says Goal Is Ban, Wash. Post, Oct. 20, 1999, at A01.

* * *
              [Peter] Jennings:  And the effect of the assault rifle ban in Stockton?  The price went up, gun stores sold out and police say that fewer than 20 were turned in.  Still, some people in Stockton argue you cannot measure the effect that way. They believe there's value in making a statement that the implements of violence are unacceptable in our culture.

              [Stockton, California] Mayor [Barbara] Fass:  I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be.  But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step.

              ABC News Special, Peter Jennings Reporting: Guns, April 11, 1991, available on LEXIS, NEWS database, SCRIPT file.

* * *
              In a high-stakes political gamble, [Democrat-Farmer-Labor Minnesota] gubernatorial candidate Tony Bouza proposed a strict gun control program Tuesday that includes the confiscation and purchase by the state of most privately owned handguns.

              Robert Whereatt, Bouza Says He'd Confiscate Majority of Handguns, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Sept. 7, 1994, at 1A.  (In Minnesota, the Democratic party is known as the Democrat-Farmer-Labor party.) 


         Why should America adopt a policy of near-zero tolerance for private gun ownership?  Because it's the only alternative to the present insanity.  Without both strict limits on access to new weapons and aggressive efforts to reduce the supply of existing weapons, no one can be safer.

              Editorial, Taming The Monster: Get Rid of the Guns, Los Angeles Times, Dec. 28, 1993, at B6 (boldface added).

* * *
              No presidential candidate has yet come out for the most effective proposal to check the terror of gunfire: a ban on the general sale, manufacture and ownership of handguns as well as assault-style weapons.

              Editorial, Guns Along the Campaign Trail, Washington Post, July 19, 1999, at A18 (boldface added).

* * *
              There is no reason for anyone in this country, anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun.

              I used to think handguns could be controlled by laws about registration, by laws requiring waiting periods for purchasers, by laws making sellers check out the past of buyers.

              I now think the only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns.  And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution.

              Michael Gartner (then president of NBC News), Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?, USA Today, Jan. 16, 1992, at 9A (boldface added).

* * *
              In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security.  Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . .  Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.

              Charles Krauthammer (nationally syndicated columnist), Disarm the Citizenry. But Not Yet, Washington Post, Apr. 5, 1996 (boldface added).

* * *
              "I would like to dispute that.  Truthfully. I know it's an amendment.  I know it's in the Constitution.  But you know what?  Enough! I would like to say, I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S.  If you have a gun, you go to jail.  Only the police should have guns."

              Shannon Hawkins, Rosie Takes on the NRA, Ottawa Sun, April 29, 1999, at 55 (quoting talk show hostess Rosie O'Donnell) (boldface added).

* * *
              My guess [is] . . . that the great majority of Americans are saying they favor gun control when they really mean gun banishment. . . .  I think the country has long been ready to restrict the use of guns, except for hunting rifles and shotguns, and now I think we're prepared to get rid of the damned things entirely -- the handguns, the semis and the automatics.

              Roger Rosenblatt (Time Magazine columnist), Get Rid of the Damned Things, Time, Aug. 9, 1999, at 38 (boldface added).

* * *
              Time national correspondent Jack E. White one-upped Mr.  Thomas:  "Whatever is being proposed is way too namby-pamby.  I mean, for example, we're talking about limiting people to one gun purchase or handgun purchase a month.  Why not just ban the ownership of handguns when nobody needs one?  Why not just ban semi-automatic rifles?  Nobody needs one."

              L. Brent Bozell III, Lock-and-Load Mode Against the 2nd, Washington Times, May 8, 1999, at A12.

* * *
              Investigate the NRA with renewed vigor.  It may be on the run, but its spokesman claims membership ($25 annual dues) is up 600,000 over 10 years ago.  Print names of elected officials who take NRA funds.  Interview them.  Support all forms of gun licensing; in fact, all the causes NRA opposes.

              Thomas Winship (former editor of the Boston Globe), Step Up the War Against Guns, Editor & Publisher Magazine, April 24, 1993, at 24. 



 The [American Academy of Pediatrics] believes handguns, deadly air guns and assault weapons should be banned.

              American Assocation of Pediatrics, Where We Stand, available at http://www.aap.org/advocacy/wwestand.htm (visited Jan. 21, 1999) (boldface added).

* * *
              A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls -- such as expanding background checks at gun shows and stopping the import of high-capacity magazines -- and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act introduced by Senator Robert Torricelli, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Patrick Kennedy, Democrat of Rhode Island.  Their measure would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns.

              Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center, Dispense With the Half Steps and Ban Killing Machines, Houston Chronicle, Nov. 5, 1999, at 45 (boldface added).

* * *
              We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . .  [W]e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again.  Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice.  Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . .  The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country.  The second problem is to get handguns registered.  The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

              Richard Harris, A Reporter at Large: Handguns,  New Yorker, July 26, 1976, at 53, 58 (quoting Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc.) (boldface added, italics in original).

* * *
              We will never fully solve our nation's horrific problem of gun violence unless we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons.

              Jeff Muchnick, Legislative Director, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Better Yet, Ban All Handguns, USA Today, Dec. 29, 1993, at 11A (boldface added).

              The best way to prevent gun violence is to ban handguns.

              Michael K. Beard, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Letters to the Editor, Wall. St. J., July 23, 1997, at A19 (boldface added).

              The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of the private sale of handguns and assault weapons in the United States.

              Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, http://www.csgv.org/content/coalition/coal_intro.html (visited June 20, 2000) (boldface added) ("The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence is composed of 44 civic, professional and religious organizations and 120,000 individual members that advocate for a ban on the sale and possession of handguns and assault weapons.").

* * *
              There is little sense in gun registration.  What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . .  Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . .  Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order.

[Lustral]

And?  

Not diverting in the least , I agree they are more efficient at killing faster than a knife. And you don't get to just ignore the fact that 80k people ( and that's taking the absolute lowest figure ) use guns to defend themselves each year. Yes 80k mitigates 20 people , sorry if we're going to have to choose , I'll choose 80K. Your solution? ban guns so 80K are fucked as well as the psycho just killing 10 with knifes instead of 20 lol What school of logic did you go to?  

Oh you are DEAD WRONG people are calling for complete bans on all personal ownage of firearms , politicians included , a complete repeal of the Second Amendment

Quick example Maryland Attorney General calling for a ban on all guns period.
http://www.projectveritas.com/posts/news/maryland-attorney-general%E2%80%99s-office-sex-guns-and-egregious-ethical-violations

Senator Diane Finestein

And it's not propaganda if it's true , sorry even Anti-gun advocate concede people use firearms in self defense every year. Guns are more efficient at killing people absolutely , it's why police use them and we go to war with them. But that's a double edge sword , they can be used for destruction or defense.

  

Most senators and congressmen know that ANY call for gun control will have them out of office. It won't happen. Posting a 1995 video tells me it is not a widely held belief in the capitol.

Stop repeating the 80k people defending stat when if you take away guns you probably take away 70k incidents to prevent.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Most senators and congressmen know that ANY call for gun control will have them out of office. It won't happen. Posting a 1995 video tells me it is not a widely held belief in the capitol.

Stop repeating the 80k people defending stat when if you take away guns you probably take away 70k incidents to prevent.

LMAO you're either trolling or monumentally stupid.

I'll entertain trolls to a degree , morons I will entertain a little more. 

[Lustral]

Look, I will stop here as this is going nowhere and thread was lost a long way back.

1) I do not want/ask for guns to be banned in the USA. Firstly, I support the right to have them, secondly I have no fucking say, I'm not a US citizen.

2) I do think the gun laws, and availability of guns in the USA, contributes to higher rates of mass killings. Possibly murders, but one off murders could be done by stabbing, running over someone, strangling etc so I won't guess here.

3) Guns probably increase the suicide rate, something not mentioned often. It is hard to stab yourself to death or open a vein and bleed out. Most meds now are made so you can't overdose and there is a timer on it anyway (someone could see you in a coma). With a gun, one impulsive pull of a trigger and you're either disfigured, dead or handicapped for life.

There.


@ND, way to address my point. Good job.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look, I will stop here as this is going nowhere and thread was lost a long way back.

1) I do not want/ask for guns to be banned in the USA. Firstly, I support the right to have them, secondly I have no fucking say, I'm not a US citizen.

2) I do think the gun laws, and availability of guns in the USA, contributes to higher rates of mass killings. Possibly murders, but one off murders could be done by stabbing, running over someone, strangling etc so I won't guess here.

3) Guns probably increase the suicide rate, something not mentioned often. It is hard to stab yourself to death or open a vein and bleed out. Most meds now are made so you can't overdose and there is a timer on it anyway (someone could see you in a coma). With a gun, one impulsive pull of a trigger and you're either disfigured, dead or handicapped for life.

There.


@ND, way to address my point. Good job.

2) I do think the gun laws, and availability of guns in the USA, contributes to higher rates of mass killings.

And you would be wrong http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Guns probably increase the suicide rate, something not mentioned often. It is hard to stab yourself to death or open a vein and bleed out. Most meds now are made so you can't overdose and there is a timer on it anyway (someone could see you in a coma). With a gun, one impulsive pull of a trigger and you're either disfigured, dead or handicapped for life.

See above , so wrong again

@ND, way to address my point. Good job.

I told you I would entertain you for only so long.

[TuHolmes]

I found this  very interesting in your citation.

“It is a massive deterrent to gunmen if they think that there are going to be armed police.”25 How far is that from the rationale on which 40 American states have enacted laws giving qualified, trained citizens the right to carry concealed guns? Indeed, news media editorials have appeared in England argu‐ ing that civilians should be allowed guns for defense.26

[Lustral]

And you would be wrong http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

See above , so wrong again

I told you I would entertain you for only so long.

Wow, that Gary Mauser guy sounds like a totally independent person to give this report!

http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/

A Day at a Shooting Range

Have you ever gone shooting? Handled a firearm? Read on. You might be interested in knowing about coming with me to the shooting range.

Twice a year, for the past few years, I have taken a group from SFU to a shooting range and introduce them to firearms. Many people at SFU (whether they are students, staff, or faculty) have never so much as touched a gun before. They typically are surprised how much they learn and how much fun they have at the range. Many tell me it is quite an eye-opener. (See the testimonials below).

If you are interested in coming to the range with us the next time we go, please e-mail me to see when the next "Day at the Range" will be. We usually go twice a year, on once in February and again in October. It depends upon when I can find a Saturday that is convenient for the volunteers at the range. There is a small fee; primarily to cover ammunition and renting the range. The range wardens are all trained firearm safety instructors who have volunteered to help out.

http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/gunsafety.html

What a great source!!! No way someone who invites people shooting could have an agenda on a gun control issue when nearly all of his website is dedicated to promoting gun sports and denying guns cause higher murder rates.

By the way, where did I say, in my brief summation of my views (3 points, not too hard to read: 2) I do think the gun laws, and availability of guns in the USA, contributes to higher rates of mass killings. Possibly murders, but one off murders could be done by stabbing, running over someone, strangling etc so I won't guess here.) say anything about murder as opposed to MASS MURDER.

[Lustral]

I found this  very interesting in your citation.

“It is a massive deterrent to gunmen if they think that there are going to be armed police.”25 How far is that from the rationale on which 40 American states have enacted laws giving qualified, trained citizens the right to carry concealed guns? Indeed, news media editorials have appeared in England argu‐ ing that civilians should be allowed guns for defense.26

Whose citation are you quoting?

As for the jump from considering the threat of armed police to armed citizens - that is ridiculous. I come to this forum expecting most people to be literate but I am let down fairly often.

Joking aside, how many trained, armed people will there be in an institute for training disabled people for work?

[TuHolmes]

Whose citation are you quoting?

As for the jump from considering the threat of armed police to armed citizens - that is ridiculous. I come to this forum expecting most people to be literate but I am let down fairly often.

Joking aside, how many trained, armed people will there be in an institute for training disabled people for work?

I read the link posted from Harvard.

Read it.

If there were 10 out of 600.

That would be better odds that the 2 who came in and shot up people.

Police feel they should be armed?

Why?

Citizens have every right to be as armed as police in my opinion.

Police are not gods. They do not have special privileges. Nor should they.

I take it you are not from the US.

[The Ugly]

I read the link posted from Harvard.

Read it.

If there were 10 out of 600.

That would be better odds that the 2 who came in and shot up people.

Police feel they should be armed?

Why?

Citizens have every right to be as armed as police in my opinion.

Police are not gods. They do not have special privileges. Nor should they.

I take it you are not from the US.

Huh?

They carry guns here, I can't. They can speed and siren through reds, I can't. They can handcuff you, throw you in a car, and drive you to a cage. Me?

They can grow thick, bushy mustaches, and I can't do that either.