Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?

[mazrim]

Goodness you're stupid.  Isis is not Islam period.  Extreme or radicalized. It is a group of Kitiona attracting psychopaths for hire to kill others. Real Muslims don't blow up mosques or kills those while praying.  Muslims won't even walk into a mosque with shoes on let alone be blowing them up.  Islam respects history and Isis is pissing all over it. They are lunatics.  They aren't fighting for religion. They're fighting for their own agenda. 

Has to be sarcastic.....

[Lustral]

Your passport doesn't say your religion, and just because your name is Ahmed doesn't mean you're a muslim. How would you enforce it?

[drkaje]

Your passport doesn't say your religion, and just because your name is Ahmed doesn't mean you're a muslim. How would you enforce it?

Make them pass a bacon eating test?

[Lustral]

Make them pass a bacon eating test?

It would be ridiculously unfair on the majority of muslims, and unpoliceable... however, the mention of increased security checks on muslims shouldn't cause outcry. It happened Irish people when the IRA were bombing NI and UK even though they were a few hundred terrorists/harbourers with probably a few thousand supporting their actions. You wanna go to a country where people of your kind are carrying out terrorism be prepared to face more scrutiny.

[drkaje]

^ It'd be the Bacon of Peace.

[BIG ACH]

Make them pass a bacon eating test?

Bacon can be fucking good man... I know tons of Muslims that lax their principles to eat it.  LoL

[Lustral]

Bacon can be fucking good man... I know tons of Muslims that lax their principles to eat it.  LoL

I'd only have to know about 5 really fat people to know a ton of them. Define please.


 

[BIG ACH]

I'd only have to know about 5 really fat people to know a ton of them. Define please.


 

Off the top of my head I can name about 17 myself included that will indulge in the swine strips although in general I prefer the turkey variant's taste.

[chaos]

It would be ridiculously unfair on the majority of muslims

So?

[drkaje]

Off the top of my head I can name about 17 myself included that will indulge in the swine strips although in general I prefer the turnery variant's taste.

I've had beef bacon in Brooklyn (at a place that keeps Kosher/Halal) that was pretty close o the real thing.

[BIG ACH]

I've had beef bacon in Brooklyn (at a place that keeps Kosher/Halal) that was pretty close o the real thing.

I have never heard of beef Bacon but this is something that must be explored

[drkaje]

I have never heard of beef Bacon but this is something that must be explored

I didn't realize it wasn't pork.

[Lustral]

So?

Would you prefer greater background checks on gun owners than an outright ban?

Which would you regard as fairer given you are in a class of people seen as causing multiple mass casualties. Ie gun owners.

[drkaje]

Would you prefer greater background checks on gun owners than an outright ban?

Which would you regard as fairer given you are in a class of people seen as causing multiple mass casualties. Ie gun owners.

Is there a limit to "greater" or does it increase every time there's an incident?

[Lustral]

Is there a limit to "greater" or does it increase every time there's an incident?

You tell me. If some piece of shit threw the odd egg at my house I'd probably look out the window more often. If they kept lopping rocks through the windows I'd put in CCTV and wait to catch them.

Let's say you have 20 more mass shooting and bombings by proclaimed IS loyalists - in the next year - would you submit to more background checks on guns?

(It is probably pointless given someone not under suspicion could buy them and give them to a terrorist no problem)

[drkaje]

You tell me. If some piece of shit threw the odd egg at my house I'd probably look out the window more often. If they kept lopping rocks through the windows I'd put in CCTV and wait to catch them.

Let's say you have 20 more mass shooting and bombings by proclaimed IS loyalists - in the next year - would you submit to more background checks on guns?

(It is probably pointless given someone not under suspicion could buy them and give them to a terrorist no problem)

What's to stop you from hitting up Walmart tonight, radicalizing, and going apeshit?

I've had background checks and don't feel they're a huge deal. Someone who's on a watch list or has a criminal record shouldn't be owning a weapon. That isn't the point. More intrusiveness and fewer rights won't make us safer.

[Lustral]

What's to stop you from hitting up Walmart tonight, radicalizing, and going apeshit?

I've had background checks and don't feel they're a huge deal. Someone who's on a watch list or has a criminal record shouldn't be owning a weapon. That isn't the point. More intrusiveness and fewer rights won't make us safer.

Nothing (to stop you) but if you are muslim and I can keep checking you cos the POTUS says so I might be more alert to your whacko plan.

If you remove muslim from the previous statement you are at the point of most (99%) of mass shootings in USA. What can you do when some whackjob has a gun in a country with lax gun laws (and other issues)...

I don't have a solution.

[chaos]

Would you prefer greater background checks on gun owners than an outright ban?

Which would you regard as fairer given you are in a class of people seen as causing multiple mass casualties. Ie gun owners.

No, background checks are already in place.  Any law only applies to those willing to follow it.

[Lustral]

No, background checks are already in place.  Any law only applies to those willing to follow it.

So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..

[oldtimer1]

He didn't kill in the name of Christianity like Muslims do with Islam. He was mad at the Federal government for Waco raid. 

[Kazan]

So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..

One is a constitutional right, the other is not. People have no right to come the US, personally I think we should only allow people in that have a skill that is beneficial to the country.

[Lustral]

No, background checks are already in place.  Any law only applies to those willing to follow it.

My original point was - why stop Muslims travelling when the reasoning is based on one (or a few attacks) like San Bernardino when you have mass shootings all the time - this one just happened to be Islamist? Guns, muslims. Which is to blame? Ban both or neither.

[chaos]

So... wouldn't it be unfair on most gun owners to ban guns (like stopping all muslims entering USA) rather than check them? And keep up the checks..

They already get checked against state and federal databases. The comparison you're reaching for is completely idiotic and I won't entertain you.

[Kazan]

My original point was - why stop Muslims travelling when the reasoning is based on one (or a few attacks) like San Bernardino when you have mass shootings all the time - this one just happened to be Islamist? Guns, muslims. Which is to blame? Ban both or neither.

Really? Mass shootings all the time?

[Lustral]

One is a constitutional right, the other is not. People have no right to come the US, personally I think we should only allow people in that have a skill that is beneficial to the country.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Seems like it isn't banned anyway.