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http://www.youngcons.com/female-muslim-judge-takes-oath-while-using-koran-instead-of-bible/

[240 is Back]

Do you have a link that doesn't credit "Morocco World News" as their source?

I'm sure it's true.   Just want to see the "young cons" website show us a mainstream source we trust, that's all.

[Coach is Back!]

Do you have a link that doesn't credit "Morocco World News" as their source?

I'm sure it's true.   Just want to see the "young cons" website show us a mainstream source we trust, that's all.

Follow the link in the article then do your own research. Snopes, mother jones, media matters and most other extremest left rags won't be considered.

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240..why is this some kind of stretch. I saw the pictures on Instagram. These people put religion over law. This is not like any other religion. You can't equate muslims with the IRA or white Identity or the guys like Koresh. This is not that. These people are a massive threat.

[240 is Back]

Follow the link in the article then do your own research. Sn

I did.   Which is where I found the Morocoo world news as the source.  Fox or Breitbart would be much preferable.  I dont trust foreign news services.  Morocco is a 99% muslim nation and a huge brotherhood base.  Do you trust their media, coach?  Cause that's your source here.  It may be true, but I'd like to see an american source of this pic.  Youngcons are just clickbaiting the morocco article.  I want to see an AMERICAN source, please.  THEN we can debate it.

[240 is Back]

Follow the link in the article then do your own research.

Do you often trust sources from muslim sources?   Or was this the first time?

You have used RT (Russian state run media) and InfoWars (conspiracy theory 911 truther site) in your sources in the past.

My humble opinion is that you should stick with accurate news sources, such as FOX or Breitbart.  Avoid CTer, Russian, or muslim news sources, since their goal is to destroy the America we love.  Hope this helps.

[Coach is Back!]

Do you often trust sources from muslim sources?   Or was this the first time?

You have used RT (Russian state run media) and InfoWars (conspiracy theory 911 truther site) in your sources in the past.

My humble opinion is that you should stick with accurate news sources, such as FOX or Breitbart.  Avoid CTer, Russian, or muslim news sources, since their goal is to destroy the America we love.  Hope this helps.

Oh but wait, you question FOX and Breitbart as well. Make up your mind or hey, how about this. Her name and the court which she presides is in the article as well. Doh!!

[TuHolmes]

Will she follow the Constitution?

That is all that matters. The Bible. Koran. All works of fiction.

The laws of the US are dictated by the Constitution and as long as she follows The Constitution of The United States of America, I don't care what she put her hands on when she swore to uphold the laws of this land.

Why do you care what she put her hand on?

[Coach is Back!]

Will she follow the Constitution?

That is all that matters. The Bible. Koran. All works of fiction.

The laws of the US are dictated by the Constitution and as long as she follows The Constitution of The United States of America, I don't care what she put her hands on when she swore to uphold the laws of this land.

Why do you care what she put her hand on?

Seriously? Whether the left wants to believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian VALUES and in part has been the success of this country in a short amount of time. But besides that, it shows where the direction of this country is heading. Yeah, a Muslim nation, sharia law, etc.

As far as the Constitution goes, like now, the left SHITS on the Consistution execpt when it applies to them.

[TuHolmes]

Seriously? Whether the left wants to believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian VALUES and in part has been the success of this country in a short amount of time. But besides that, it shows where the direction of this country is heading. Yeah, a Muslim nation, sharia law, etc.

As far as the Constitution goes, like now, the left SHITS on the Consistution execpt when it applies to them.

I'm serious.

I mean the Bible says a lot of things that are not valid according to the constitution and are not followed.

When has the left shit on the constitution? Please provide examples other than the access to guns according to the 2nd amendment.

On no level does this mean the country is becoming a Muslim nation.

People apply to judgeships and there are many judges over them to validate their cases.

The judicial system in this government is a very large and complex environment and one person being a Muslim isn't going to change that.

This country has checks and balances.

You know this.

[Straw Man]

Follow the link in the article then do your own research. Snopes, mother jones, media matters and most other extremest left rags won't be considered.

any source that you provide will not be considered

[240 is Back]

Oh but wait, you question FOX and Breitbart as well. Make up your mind or hey, how about this. Her name and the court which she presides is in the article as well. Doh!!

do you have a pic from inauguration with the koran then?   just naming her, anyone can pull out a name and court.

show us her public statement about it, where she proudly admits it?

[avxo]

Whether the left wants to believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian VALUES and in part has been the success of this country in a short amount of time.

What Judeo-Christian values was this country founded on? Walk up to the counter of your local library, get on your tippie-toes and ask the lady to help you find "Illustrated History of the United States". Remember, be specific.

But besides that, it shows where the direction of this country is heading. Yeah, a Muslim nation, sharia law, etc.

Would you have felt better if a Muslim took an oath on the Bible? What difference, if any, would that have made? Or do you just think that Muslims shouldn't be judges or, more generally, seek office? If so, why are you shitting on the Constitution?

As far as the Constitution goes, like now, the left SHITS on the Consistution execpt when it applies to them.

Cut it out Joe. You can't tell apart the Constitution from the manual to one of Basile's supinator machines.

[240 is Back]

Seriously? Whether the left wants to believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian VALUES

As far as the Constitution goes, like now, the left SHITS on the Consistution execpt when it applies to them.

there's a great "did i stutter" about the constitution that's going around.   Addresses this perfectly.

[Coach is Back!]

What Judeo-Christian values was this country founded on? Walk up to the counter of your local library, get on your tippie-toes and ask the lady to help you find "Illustrated History of the United States". Remember, be specific.


Would you have felt better if a Muslim took an oath on the Bible? What difference, if any, would that have made? Or do you just think that Muslims shouldn't be judges or, more generally, seek office? If so, why are you shitting on the Constitution?

Cut it out Joe. You can't tell apart the Constitution from the manual to one of Basile's supinator machines.

Neither can liberals.

[240 is Back]

Seriously? Whether the left wants to believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian VALUES
As far as the Constitution goes, like now, the left SHITS on the Consistution execpt when it applies to them.

Ironic.

Forbes (very conservative) breaks it down with many historians pointing out that the constitution was not founded on ANY religion.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/09/25/was-america-founded-as-a-christian-nation/

And you're getting roasted by quite a few people here.  What you said isn't true.  Founding fathers worked to keep religion out of it.  President Adams' writings from that article clarify it greatly for you.

You can believe the Constitution was founded on VALUES, that's cool.  Many values are universal and there is influence.  But the founders worked very hard to not favor one religion over another.

[avxo]

Neither can liberals.

How are you different from the liberals you despise so much? Or to put it using your favorite phrase: "you just don't get it, do you?"

Same shit, different party.

Oh, and I notice you didn't answer the question. Bad Coach...

[OzmO]

lol

[Dos Equis]

What Judeo-Christian values was this country founded on? Walk up to the counter of your local library, get on your tippie-toes and ask the lady to help you find "Illustrated History of the United States". Remember, be specific.

Support for the traditional family, prohibitions on stealing, lying, and murder, strong worth ethic, etc. 

[avxo]

Support for the traditional family

Not an exclusively Judeo-Christian value. But even if it were, how exactly is that a founding principle of this nation and what do you base that on?

prohibitions on stealing, lying, and murder

Not exclusively Judeo-Christian values.

, strong worth ethic, etc.

Not an exclusively Judeo-Christian value.

[Dos Equis]

Not an exclusively Judeo-Christian value. But even if it were, how exactly is that a founding principle of this nation and what do you base that on?


Not exclusively Judeo-Christian values.


Not an exclusively Judeo-Christian value.

I didn't say they were exclusive. 

Without question, however, the things I listed are part of Judeo-Christian values, and those values are found in the Bible.  The Founding Fathers didn't just pull those values out of thin air.  They were Bible-reading/believing Christians.  You can argue the Deist angle if you want, but there is only one book, essentially one brand of church, and one God that nearly all of them grew up and in, and embraced. 

What other historically sound place do you believe their values came from? 

[avxo]

I didn't say they were exclusive.

But you implied that those Judeo-Christian values were foundational and did so in a context where the meaning was clear: "here's proof that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values." Don't hide behind your finger - you don't know where it's been...

Without question, however, the things I listed are part of Judeo-Christian values, and those values are found in the Bible.

Along with not eating shellfish, but I don't see that as Article I... And since you brought up the Bible, the Bible also did say "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" and this whole endeavor that turned into a country started, in no small part, because of a reluctance to render unto George III the things which were his.

The Founding Fathers didn't just pull those values out of thin air.

I didn't suggest they were.

They were Bible-reading/believing Christians.  You can argue the Deist angle if you want, but there is only one book, essentially one brand of church, and one God that nearly all of them grew up and in, and embraced.

In other words: "well, sure, other value-systems also share those values, but hey, that Judeo-Christian rocks yo!"  Forget the possibility that the Founding Fathers were just bright men - the cream of the crop - that sought rationality and had adopted a value system based not on supernatural whim but logic.

What other historically sound place do you believe their values came from?

Call me crazy, but prohibitions on stealing and murder seem like pretty common-sense thing to me, based on nothing but logic. I don't need a magical deity to etch in stone the commandment "thou shalt not murder" to know that taking a life is wrong, exceptions about self-defence aside.

[Dos Equis]

But you implied that those Judeo-Christian values were foundational and did so in a context where the meaning was clear: "here's proof that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values." Don't hide behind your finger - you don't know where it's been...


Along with not eating shellfish, but I don't see that as Article I... And since you brought up the Bible, the Bible also did say "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" and this whole endeavor that turned into a country started, in no small part, because of a reluctance to render unto George III the things which were his.


I didn't suggest they were.


In other words: "well, sure, other value-systems also share those values, but hey, that Judeo-Christian rocks yo!"  Forget the possibility that the Founding Fathers were just bright men - the cream of the crop - that sought rationality and had adopted a value system based not on supernatural whim but logic.


Call me crazy, but prohibitions on stealing and murder seem like pretty common-sense thing to me, based on nothing but logic. I don't need a magical deity to etch in stone the commandment "thou shalt not murder" to know that taking a life is wrong, exceptions about self-defence aside.

Yes, those values were foundational.  What I did not say or imply was that those values were only contained in Judeo-Christian values.  That's your straw man, that you have ably set up and knocked down again. 

Not sure what your shellfish or Cesar references have to do with whether or not our Founding Fathers grew up in, were influenced by, and embraced Judeo-Christian values. To the extent you are trying to say they did not embrace everything found in the Bible, so what? 

I didn't make the asinine point you did about values exclusivity or superiority.  You really struggle to have a discussion or make a point without sarcasm. 

So you are saying our Founding Fathers based their values purely on common sense?  Nothing else? 

Also, were they influenced at all by their faith? 

[avxo]

Yes, those values were foundational.  What I did not say or imply was that those values were only contained in Judeo-Christian values.  That's your straw man, that you have ably set up and knocked down again. 

You specifically cited them in answer to the question: "What Judeo-Christian values was this country founded on?" If they're not exclusively Judeo-Christian, then it's meaningless to cite them in answer to the question.

Not sure what your shellfish or Cesar references have to do with whether or not our Founding Fathers grew up in, were influenced by, and embraced Judeo-Christian values. To the extent you are trying to say they did not embrace everything found in the Bible, so what?

My point was that unless you can point to some uniquely Judeo-Christian value, you can't claim that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.

I didn't make the asinine point you did about values exclusivity or superiority. 

You cited those values as "Judeo-Christian values" that were foundational. Yet, those values aren't exclusively Judeo-Christian. It's like someone asked you: "why are German cars highly-regarded?" and you answered with "they have four wheels." Then when you're challenged with "other cars have four wheels too" you argue that you didn't claim that only German cars have four wheels... you're trying to divert attention from the simple fact your answer was not an answer at all.

Again, can you cite some uniquely Judeo-Christian values that were instrumental and are foundational to this country, or can you prove that the Judeo-Christian values you cited were both foundational and adopted because of their Judeo-Christian heritage?

If you can't, then your answer simply fails.

You really struggle to have a discussion or make a point without sarcasm.

I do seem to struggle to communicate with people who can't have a rational conversation.

So you are saying our Founding Fathers based their values purely on common sense?  Nothing else?

I'm saying that it's bunk to claim that this country was "founded" on "Judeo-Christian" values and, more specifically, on the Judeo-Christian values you specifically cited.

Let's recap: I challeged Joe to the Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded on. You then moseyed on over and decided to take up that mantle, and you cited some Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded on, but those values aren't uniquely Judeo-Christian and you provided no evidence that (a) the founders specifically had the Judeo-Christian values in mind or (b)  that those values are even foundational.

Show us, how are the specific values you cited - support for the traditional family, prohibitions on stealing, lying, and murder and a strong work ethic - foundational values of this country. Surely if they are, you'll see some reference to them in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence or maybe the Federalist Papers. Come on... we're waiting!

Also, were they influenced at all by their faith?

I'm sure that those who were highly religious were influenced. So what? That doesn't prove that Judeo-Christian values are "foundational." Again, prove that those values you cited were foundational.

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after all this bullshit...you're saying we weren't founded on Judeo-Christian values? Pray tell what exactly where we founded on if not that?