didnt catch the debate

[Coach is Back!]

do you know what a claim is?

Yes and pellis' claims are valid. It's that common sense thing again.

[240 is Back]

Democratic debate scheduled on a Saturday night when everyone is out shopping, going to parties and an NFL game all designed that no one watches Killary make an ass of herself since everytime she opens her mouth her ratings plummet.

yeah, I hear she's down to a scant 31% lead against sanders. 

also approval polling at trump-like levels, right?

[mr.turbo]

Yes and pellis' claims are valid. It's that common sense thing again.

common sense again? NO!

you can't make something great again if it's already great.  

that's nonsense and you know it.

[pellius]

all i see are claims...evidence man, do you have any?

it seems the champion lost the title long ago...that's the right analogy.

It's not possible to make something great again if it's already great.

the only way the statement makes sense is if the greatness is already lost. No way around it.


again please provide evidence to support your assertions!


 

If you don't believe that America is the world leader then who is? You're from Canada, right? Is the world looking to Canada as to what to do with ISIS? How about the economic crisis in Greece? Who feeds more people in this world? When there is a catastrophe in this world, be it an earthquake, hurricane, flood.... who does the world look to?
Why is America blamed for not ending the genocide in Rwanda? Why is it automatically assumed that we are suppose to get involved. When any world leader on this planet is contemplating a foreign policy decision or involvement in other countries do they ask themselves, "What will Canada think of this? How will they respond?"

Do you believe that America should implement Sharia law?

[pellius]

common sense again? NO!

you can't make some great again if it's already great.  

that's nonsense and you know it.

There are gradations of greatness. Arnold was great in 1980 and was considered the best bber in the world by winning the Mr. O. Nobody believes he was as great as he was in 1974.

Do you believe that America should implement Sharia law?

[mr.turbo]

If you don't believe that America is the world leader then who is? You're from Canada, right? Is the world looking to Canada as to what to do with ISIS? How about the economic crisis in Greece? Who feeds more people in this world? When there is a catastrophe in this world, be it an earthquake, hurricane, flood.... who does the world look to?
Why is America blamed for not ending the genocide in Rwanda? Why is it automatically assumed that we are suppose to get involved. When any world leader on this planet is contemplating a foreign policy decision or involvement in other countries do they ask themselves, "What will Canada think of this? How will they respond?"

Do you believe that America should implement Sharia law?

I have not made any claims.  You make a lot of unsupported statements.  

Asking a bunch of questions doesn't help.  It just confuses things.  

Why don't you discuss America's annexation of Hawaii as an example of it's exceptionalism?

that's a relevant question!

[pellius]

Yes and pellis' claims are valid. It's that common sense thing again.

I remember I chided you for saying that Obama was the worse president in our generation if not ever. We may have been only teens during the regrettable Carter administration but whether one followed politics are not we remember the gas lines, the lost of America stature throughout the world, economic anemia, the beginning and the roots of the current Islamic conflict and the general "malaise" in the country. Truly the worse president ever.

Until Obama.

I don't mind admitting that I was wrong but due to what is at stake, it is a painful and sad admission.

[pellius]

I have not made any claims.  You make a lot of unsupported statements.  

Asking a bunch of questions doesn't help.  It just confuses things.  

Why don't you discuss America's annexation of Hawaii as an example of it's exceptionalism?

that's a relevant question!

No, I have not. Because you are too dim to realize the blinding clarity is not my fault.

How Hawaii became part of the United States has no relevance to this subject. What is there to discuss? Ask me anything you want about Hawaii.

What's interesting is how you avoid the question if you want America, in fact the whole world, to live under Sharia law. It's a question that you can't lie. If you are not a Muslim then you will just say no. If  you are a Muslim then you can't say no.

Remember, there is someone on this board that has done a lot of research on you. Of course, he could be wrong. Why should I believe him. And you can easily prove him wrong.

If he is wrong.

[mr.turbo]

No, I have not. Because you are too dim to realize the blinding clarity is not my fault.

How Hawaii became part of the United States has no relevance to this subject. What is there to discuss? Ask me anything you want about Hawaii.

What's interesting is how you avoid the question if you want America, in fact the whole world, to live under Sharia law. It's a question that you can't lie. If you are not a Muslim then you will just say no. If  you are a Muslim then you can't say no.

Remember, there is someone on this board that has done a lot of research on you. Of course, he could be wrong. Why should I believe him. And you can easily prove him wrong.

If he is wrong.

you give me your opinion on how great America was when it conquered Hawaii and i'll let you know my oh so very personal thoughts on Sharia law.

[pellius]

you give me your opinion on how great America was when it conquered Hawaii and i'll let you know my oh so very personal thoughts on Sharia law.

Great nations conquer. It's not something unique to America. Not by a long shot. Weak nations get conquered. It's the way of the world.

Lesson is -- be strong. As long as America remains strong, the Muslims will lose. They will not conquer America. You can only push Americans so far before the sleeping giant is awaken.

Hawaii is way better off when it became a territory and then part of the United Sates.

That is my opinion.

Now do you believe that America should live under Sharia law?

[gmflex]

Trump will destroy what's left of the republican party when he gets pissed off
And goes independent after he is not chosen to go against Hillary...
Will have the first women president very soon ..
Bill will be the first husband..

[mr.turbo]

Great nations conquer. It's not something unique to America. Not by a long shot. Weak nations get conquered. It's the way of the world.

Lesson is -- be strong. As long as America remains strong, the Muslims will lose. They will not conquer America. You can only push Americans so far before the sleeping giant is awaken.

Hawaii is way better off when it became a territory and then part of the United Sates.

That is my opinion.

Now do you believe that America should live under Sharia law?

You just stated that America is not exceptional.

let me know what your final answer is on this.

Regarding sharia law 

Honestly I don't know much about it. I generally support laws that protect freedoms, civil liberties and so on. I suspect that's not the case here but I'll look into it and provide a final answer once I get a final answer from you too.
 

[pellius]

You just stated that America is not exceptional.

let me know what your final answer is on this.

Regarding sharia law 

Honestly I don't know much about it. I generally support laws that protect freedoms, civil liberties and so on. I suspect that's not the case here but I'll look into it and provide a final answer once I get a final answer from you too.
 

"You just stated that America is not exceptional."

That one statement proves your bias and how you hear only what you want to hear. Because America has done things that other countries has done you immediately read that as me saying America is not exceptional.

No where do people have more opportunity than they have here in the U.S. We fought a war and loss more Americans than all the other wars combines to overturn the institution of slavery. What other country did that? It was in America that the idea that you are not stuck in your class and can rise above it based on your ambition and willingness to work hard and your leaders are not just born into their positions like with monarchies. Women's rights and their rights to vote took root here. Just like Civil rights and passing laws protecting minority rights. More people want to come here than any other country because of the opportunity and the concept of the American dream. Since this is a bodybuilding board, it was Arnold who said many times that he would never have been the success that he is if he didn't come to America. No one was willing or able to fight Communist expansionism as we did. It's such a tragedy that ingrates like you have no idea what kind of life you would have if it wasn't for America.

But your mind is already made up. You hate America. You blame it for all the ills of today. You claim that there isn't a "single thread of evidence" that America has done any good in this world. You cannot imagine what the world would be like if America never existed. Fascism, Nazism, Communism... take your pick.

[240 is Back]

Trump will destroy what's left of the republican party when he gets pissed off
And goes independent after he is not chosen to go against Hillary...
Will have the first women president very soon ..
Bill will be the first husband..

OR OR OR

The party will "officially" accept the joke Trump's winning the nomination...

then everyone with $ will support JEB! as the 3rd party candidate.   No rules, then... anything goes.  Donors hating trump go all-out against Trump, hilary probably wins anyway. 

[Coach is Back!]

yeah, I hear she's down to a scant 31% lead against sanders. 

also approval polling at trump-like levels, right?

Oh, you mean within her own party? lol

Let see, her platform is free shit, like Sanders. She's along the same lines as Obama...like all liberal candidates her consitituents are, college kids, poor inner city of most that are looking for more free shit and all you have to do is look at her record as Secretary of State to see she's just as incompetent as that shithead we have now execpt she's had more people killed...on purpose yet.

[mr.turbo]

"You just stated that America is not exceptional."

That one statement proves your bias and how you hear only what you want to hear. Because America has done things that other countries has done you immediately read that as me saying America is not exceptional.

No where do people have more opportunity than they have here in the U.S. We fought a war and loss more Americans than all the other wars combines to overturn the institution of slavery. What other country did that? It was in America that the idea that you are not stuck in your class and can rise above it based on your ambition and willingness to work hard and your leaders are not just born into their positions like with monarchies. Women's rights and their rights to vote took root here. Just like Civil rights and passing laws protecting minority rights. More people want to come here than any other country because of the opportunity and the concept of the American dream. Since this is a bodybuilding board, it was Arnold who said many times that he would never have been the success that he is if he didn't come to America. No one was willing or able to fight Communist expansionism as we did. It's such a tragedy that ingrates like you have no idea what kind of life you would have if it wasn't for America.

But your mind is already made up. You hate America. You blame it for all the ills of today. You claim that there isn't a "single thread of evidence" that America has done any good in this world. You cannot imagine what the world would be like if America never existed. Fascism, Nazism, Communism... take your pick.

SO you've accepted America's foreign policy is nothing unique. I'll assume that's your final answer.

very relieved to see this.

The other miscellaneous claims and questions about the greatness of domestic issues just confuse the discussion. Some things are correct some are not. It's easy to spew a bunch of claims but if you have some evidence then let's see it. eg. here's a report of economic freedom, the US ranks no.16 as of 2015.

According to the report, based on 2013 statistics (the most recent year of available data), the top 10 most economically free jurisdictions are Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, Switzerland, United Arab Emirates, Mauritius, Jordan, Ireland, Canada, with the United Kingdom and Chile tied for 10th. The United States, once considered a bastion of economic freedom, now ranks 16th in the world after being as high as second in 2000. - See more at:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/economic-freedom-of-the-world-2015-annual-report#sthash.Cfs1w3SI.dpuf


Regarding Sharia Law. It seems this is a more complex concept than I anticipated but if what's meant by that is a system like they have in Saudi Arabia then no I don't support that. Final answer.

Do you agree with the strong US military support of the Saudi Regime?

[pellius]

SO you've accepted America's foreign policy is nothing unique. I'll assume that's your final answer.

very relieved to see this.

The other miscellaneous claims and questions about the greatness of domestic issues just confuse the discussion. Some things are correct some are not. It's easy to spew a bunch of claims but if you have some evidence then let's see it. eg. here's a report of economic freedom, the US ranks no.16 as of 2015.

According to the report, based on 2013 statistics (the most recent year of available data), the top 10 most economically free jurisdictions are Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, Switzerland, United Arab Emirates, Mauritius, Jordan, Ireland, Canada, with the United Kingdom and Chile tied for 10th. The United States, once considered a bastion of economic freedom, now ranks 16th in the world after being as high as second in 2000. - See more at:

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/economic-freedom-of-the-world-2015-annual-report#sthash.Cfs1w3SI.dpuf


Regarding Sharia Law. It seems this is a more complex concept than I anticipated but if what's meant by that is a system like they have in Saudi Arabia then no I don't support that. Final answer.

Do you agree with the strong US military support of the Saudi Regime?

Again your bias is clearly evident. Your mind is already made up and, as you always do, you obfuscate the argument to suit your agenda.

I never mentioned economic freedom. I mentioned opportunity. America has been less economically free under Obama. But compared to America, few are rushing to Ireland, Chile or Jordan for a better life.

In regard to your question about Saudi Arabia -- No.

[mr.turbo]

Again your bias is clearly evident. Your mind is already made up and, as you always do, you obfuscate the argument to suit your agenda.

I never mentioned economic freedom. I mentioned opportunity. America has been less economically free under Obama. But compared to America, few are rushing to Ireland, Chile or Jordan for a better life.

In regard to your question about Saudi Arabia -- No.

I'm open to new information but you must bring the facts not just opinions and claims that have no support

[Coach is Back!]

I'm open to new information but you must bring the facts not just opinions and claims that have no support

So far we're still the greatest country in the world but it's been diminished in the last 8 years and that's a fact. How about this. Why don't YOU tell us how much better off we are. And oh, provide facts.

[TuHolmes]

So far we're still the greatest country in the world but it's been diminished in the last 8 years 16 years and that's a fact. How about this. Why don't YOU tell us how much better off we are. And oh, provide facts.

Fixed.

[Coach is Back!]

Fixed.

That's 100% BS and you know it.

[TuHolmes]

That's 100% BS and you know it.

No... That's actually correct.

Sorry you don't want to admit it, dude.

[RagingBull]

Great post!!!

And this is one of the problems with our country. The utter shallowness of the voters. Fiorina has no business being there, why?
Jeb is a homo. Rubio seems like a kid. Cruz voice is irritating. Not seeing the connection between ISIS and local terrorism.

All superficial criticism and no mention or critique on their actual positions and the answers to the questions.

Though many do not agree or support some or any of these candidates,  people who make their living at this pretty much all agree on how articulate Fiorina is and how she made the leap to the big stage. Rubio, regardless of how young he looks, is considered the most knowledgeable, intelligent and quick thinking on his feet. Cruz, with his "irritating voice" is unanimously recognize as the most skilled debater on that stage. And it's no wonder, he was considered a legend in the debating circuit and described as having "Jedi Debate" skills. As described:

Ted Cruz was a king in Par­lia­ment­ary De­bate Land. And stand­ing out in that crowd was not easy. De­bate at­trac­ted swaths of wun­der­kinds who shared a geeky, cocky con­fid­ence; many of them came from a world of private high schools and rig­or­ous speech teams. Nev­er­the­less, says Raj Vin­nakota — a Prin­ceton de­bater who knew Cruz and who is now the CEO of the SEED Found­a­tion in Wash­ing­ton, D.C. — when you had to face Cruz in de­bate, “you walked in as­sum­ing you would lose.”

But with people like you: so shallow, so uneducated, so unaware.... all the well established debating techniques and strategies Cruz employs (look up "running a kritik" and see if you can figure out when it was used) just sails over your head. All you notice is the sound of his voice.

And then there is the always annoying default criticism when you've run out of, or never had, anything of substance to say: "Jeb is a homo." Something that has never been commented on, suggested, implied or even joked about.

As I've said before "Diablo", you really have no clue to how colossally ignorant you are.

You really need to just shut up, read a book, and educate yourself.

[mr.turbo]

So far we're still the greatest country in the world but it's been diminished in the last 8 years and that's a fact. How about this. Why don't YOU tell us how much better off we are. And oh, provide facts.

well the serious people accept that there's been little to no growth in wages for 40 years.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

here's what an expert says about the bush years.

[mr.turbo]

So far we're still the greatest country in the world but it's been diminished in the last 8 years and that's a fact. How about this. Why don't YOU tell us how much better off we are. And oh, provide facts.

at least pelius responds to reasoned arguments,  it's his ability to reason that's his achilles heel.

you on the other hand are completely impervious to such gestures, not good!