Blacksmith settles debate

[SquidVicious]

Let's use some common sense logic. They didn't need to crash planes into the towers if they had explosives ready to go and they certainly wouldn't have been sending emergency and rescue teams up only to kill 400 of them. Plus, the video clearly shows the break and collapse happening at the point of entry. Now, WTC 7 on the other hand was not hit by anything, was evacuated and then once the area was clear of all rescue and emergency personnel was clearly imploded from the bottom demolition style. Does that make me a CT person? A truther? Or just a man using his eyes, logic and common sense.

[SquidVicious]

BBC

Does everything have to be about the Big Black Cock? The Kardashians had nothing to do with 9/11.

[Lustral]

Let's use some common sense logic. They didn't need to crash planes into the towers if they had explosives ready to go and they certainly wouldn't have been sending emergency and rescue teams up only to kill 400 of them. Plus, the video clearly shows the break and collapse happening at the point of entry. Now, WTC 7 on the other hand was not hit by anything, was evacuated and then once the area was clear of all rescue and emergency personnel was clearly imploded from the bottom demolition style. Does that make me a CT person? A truther? Or just a man using his eyes, logic and common sense.

I dunno much about WTC7, all I would say is the momentum of a plane hitting a large skyscraper in a crowded city would be enormous and cause a lot of collateral damage. P=mv   

Say the plane was 79,000kg x 600kph - that is enormous damage with a lot of stuff to damage around you. I don't know though, WTC7 was never an issue here so won't say more.

[Kwon_2]

He's not an architect.  He's not an engineer.  He's a hillbilly forger.
 in regards to doctors no, I would not tell them how to do surgery but I'll tell them how to do nutrition because they don't know what the fuck they're doing and I'll tell them how to cure diseases because they clearly haven't been able to do that.  They're trained monkeys.  stuck in a fucked up paradigm that's why nothing gets done that's why guys like me and the holistic people get shit done.

[The Scott]

Wiggs' enlightenment extends far beyond whatever fake knowledge has been used to deceive that blacksmith regarding metallurgy, SF.

Of course it does.  Remember the original blacksmith was BLACK. FACT!

In fact, the term was pronounced "Blacksmif"!  Sheeeeeit...

[el numero uno]

Listening to that blacksmith is the equivalent of having a bartender come in and perform a liver transplant surgery, necessitated by liver cirrhosis, because after all, bartenders handle liquor all the time, and they know all about the side effects of alcohol.

The blacksmith said he wasn't trying to prove the conspiracy wrong. Insted, he wanted to prove that structural steel turn into a noodle with a high enough temperature even if the ºC is not high enough to melt it. He actually proved his point.

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[chaos]

Does everything have to be about the Big Black Cock? The Kardashians had nothing to do with 9/11.

Can we be sure of this?

[tommywishbone]

I threw my shoe at a cat once and it hit a bicycle and knocked to over. 

[TuHolmes]

Can we be sure of this?

The theory that they purposefully had a hand in it can not be taken lightly.

[chaos]

The theory that they purposefully had a hand in it can not be taken lightly.

Ban Kardashians!

[TuHolmes]

Ban Kardashians!

Definitely legislation I can get behind.

I see a solid platform there.

[240 is Back]

Trump = 911 CTer.    Repubs have to love it.  They're too stupid to know what Alex Jones has been spouting for the past 30 years.  Suddenly they're all high-fiving him.   Ignorant.  If they knew 1% of the shit that Jones blamed Bush for...

Now, they're magically cheering Trump as the bush white house calls him a 911 truther.  Do they even have a clue?

[Ropo]

No he didn't he proved you can take a coat hanger thick piece of steel in a furnace (for who knows how long) and bend it on an anvil. Horrible hillbilly logic. He's a moron.

No, but evidently you are. I know you can't change your mindset about the matter even if that blacksmith would come and stick that iron in your anus, but here is the fact: Steel start to loose it's strength starting from 200°C, and when it reach the temperature of the 800°C, it is soft as a noodle. This is based on basic laws of physics, and therefore it is undeniable fact. That's why it doesn't make any difference if he uses 1" steel, or 12" steel for an example. All steel react same way to heat, it is simple as that. If you don't believe it, please explain the horse shoe: Do they

1. Grow on the tree
2. Grow from the horses hoof
3. Blacksmith make them by forging steel

But the bottom line is still same: Until some of you foil hat idiots prove that there was some kind of explosions at the 9/11 videos, your conspiracy didn't happen. This is the main point of your theory, and if you can't prove it, shut the fuck up.

[Ropo]

He's not an architect.  He's not an engineer.  He's a hillbilly forger.
 in regards to doctors no, I would not tell them how to do surgery but I'll tell them how to do nutrition because they don't know what the fuck they're doing and I'll tell them how to cure diseases because they clearly haven't been able to do that.  They're trained monkeys.  stuck in a fucked up paradigm that's why nothing gets done that's why guys like me and the holistic people get shit done.

It doesn't matter what he is, but what you are: Ignorant fucking fool who believes all the crap from the internet, and deny even simplest facts of life, which are based on laws of physics. There is no words in the English language to describe how  fucking stupid that is, because it is beyond moronic, you have to be both, a moron and insane to believe that crap.

[Ropo]

Listening to that blacksmith is the equivalent of having a bartender come in and perform a liver transplant surgery, necessitated by liver cirrhosis, because after all, bartenders handle liquor all the time, and they know all about the side effects of alcohol.

At least he has a job, and he knows how the steel behave in the high temperatures. You see, that moronic casuistry only make you look like an complete idiot, because anyone can see that the blacksmith knows what he is talking about, and you doesn't.

[Ropo]

Let's use some common sense logic. They didn't need to crash planes into the towers if they had explosives ready to go and they certainly wouldn't have been sending emergency and rescue teams up only to kill 400 of them. Plus, the video clearly shows the break and collapse happening at the point of entry. Now, WTC 7 on the other hand was not hit by anything, was evacuated and then once the area was clear of all rescue and emergency personnel was clearly imploded from the bottom demolition style. Does that make me a CT person? A truther? Or just a man using his eyes, logic and common sense.

Amount of the stupidity among these people is overwhelming. So you are saying that the WTC 1 & 2 went down because they were hit by the planes, but the WTC 7 was a controlled demolition? It wasn't hit by anything...well. not anything more than WTC 1 on it's way down. I don't know, but I would say it is something, how about you? But what is interesting is the scenario which you have find from some pile of crap, and which shows the stupidity of the foil hat morons at it's best. So, the planes hit the towers and they collapsed within the couple of hours, covering whole Manhattan with dust, filled with asbestos and all kind of unhealthy crap. It is obvious that hit was surprise, so when and how they plant the explosives in the WTC7? You see, to make a controlled demolition you have to have a plan, you need a crew and bunch of machines, and it still takes weeks to install the explosives. How about a far better scenario? When WTC1 collapsed, part of its debris hit the WTC7 starting fires and making severe structural damage. Building was on fire full 8 hours, and collapsed because the red hot steel structure lose it's strength. Scenario 1 doesn't include any evidence what so ever, but 2 is completely proved. Take your pick..

[Irongrip400]

Listening to that blacksmith is the equivalent of having a bartender come in and perform a liver transplant surgery, necessitated by liver cirrhosis, because after all, bartenders handle liquor all the time, and they know all about the side effects of alcohol.

Your analogy doesn't make sense. This guy is an expert, but just doesn't have a degree to go with his real world knowledge/experience. I've seen several times where an engineer asked a carpenter how he would do something, then put that plan to paper and stamp it. Real world and on paper are two different things. I wouldn't discount what someone says just because they don't have a degree.

[drkaje]

Amount of the stupidity among these people is overwhelming. So you are saying that the WTC 1 & 2 went down because they were hit by the planes, but the WTC 7 was a controlled demolition? It wasn't hit by anything...well. not anything more than WTC 1 on it's way down. I don't know, but I would say it is something, how about you? But what is interesting is the scenario which you have find from some pile of crap, and which shows the stupidity of the foil hat morons at it's best. So, the planes hit the towers and they collapsed within the couple of hours, covering whole Manhattan with dust, filled with asbestos and all kind of unhealthy crap. It is obvious that hit was surprise, so when and how they plant the explosives in the WTC7? You see, to make a controlled demolition you have to have a plan, you need a crew and bunch of machines, and it still takes weeks to install the explosives. How about a far better scenario? When WTC1 collapsed, part of its debris hit the WTC7 starting fires and making severe structural damage. Building was on fire full 8 hours, and collapsed because the red hot steel structure lose it's strength. Scenario 1 doesn't include any evidence what so ever, but 2 is completely proved. Take your pick..

Those guys probably believe explosives were installed when the buildings were erected.

[freespirit]

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/80445441-video-blacksmith-settles-the-debate-can-jet-fuel-melt-steel-beams

LMAO What a clown. 

[TuHolmes]

Why is it hard to believe that WTC 7 was weakened by the shock of the other collapsing buildings is my question?

Is it so hard to believe that a building at the center of not one, but two earthquakes measuring over 2.3 within a few minutes would possibly collapse?

It doesn't seem impossible to me.

[obsidian]

No, but evidently you are. I know you can't change your mindset about the matter even if that blacksmith would come and stick that iron in your anus, but here is the fact: Steel start to loose it's strength starting from 200°C, and when it reach the temperature of the 800°C, it is soft as a noodle. This is based on basic laws of physics, and therefore it is undeniable fact. That's why it doesn't make any difference if he uses 1" steel, or 12" steel for an example. All steel react same way to heat, it is simple as that. If you don't believe it, please explain the horse shoe: Do they

1. Grow on the tree
2. Grow from the horses hoof
3. Blacksmith make them by forging steel

But the bottom line is still same: Until some of you foil hat idiots prove that there was some kind of explosions at the 9/11 videos, your conspiracy didn't happen. This is the main point of your theory, and if you can't prove it, shut the fuck up.

Ropo - why did this building not collapse in China after massive fire? I thought the steel would be weakened and become noodles??

[obsidian]

Why is it hard to believe that WTC 7 was weakened by the shock of the other collapsing buildings is my question?

Is it so hard to believe that a building at the center of not one, but two earthquakes measuring over 2.3 within a few minutes would possibly collapse?

It doesn't seem impossible to me.

Not demolition style. It would be a gradual collapse. The structure is a framework. If you were to cut a few columns the whole building will not pancake down. Some parts will sag but the remaining structural frame will hold it up.

WTC7 collapsing the way it did after the 911 events is impossible. Hope that helps!

[obsidian]

I gave up following conspiracy theories a few years ago.  it was fun, but since parties switched, and repubs became birthers and "we fund ISIS!" nutters.... well, it's become a partisan issue for me.   I seriously dislike CTers that only believe when it's the other party doing it.  And infowars (which you quote a lot went mainstream with cadillac ads and Trump all over it, lol.... a joke)

But yes, would it bother you to elect a 911 truther to office, Coach?   When senior members of Bush white house are personally calling someone out for being a truther... when Trump keeps saying "brought the buildings down"... when trump is buddy buddy interviews with the biggest 911 truther on the planet, alex jones...

Well, at some point, you'll have to say out loud, "I support a 911 Truther Trump".   Are you ready to say that, coach?

OMG 240, do you really still believe in left / right, republican / democrat, conservative / liberal?!!! Don't you by now realize it is all a game?? Do you realize Trump is buddies with Clinton? They all belong to one big club.

Seriously wise up.

Be truthful and honest with yourself. You know 911 was an inside job.

The original 911 CT'er was 240 or Bust / 240 is Back!

FACT!

[obsidian]

At least he has a job, and he knows how the steel behave in the high temperatures. You see, that moronic casuistry only make you look like an complete idiot, because anyone can see that the blacksmith knows what he is talking about, and you doesn't.

I want to see him do a video at 1500 degrees.

And also, let's assume some columns and beams are noodles. Not all of them will be. Especially the ones in WTC7. How can they be noodles? Show me videos / photos of massive fires in WTC7! If a couple are noodles the structure will sag / partially collapse. It will not pancake demolition style.

Ropo, don't be a fucking moron!!

[SquidVicious]

Why is it hard to believe that WTC 7 was weakened by the shock of the other collapsing buildings is my question?

Is it so hard to believe that a building at the center of not one, but two earthquakes measuring over 2.3 within a few minutes would possibly collapse?

It doesn't seem impossible to me.

Why WTC7 of all buildings? There were other buildings much closer in proximity to WTC 1 and 2. Plus, the manner in which WTC7 fell was completely unlike the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. Somehow of all of the buildings, they knew WTC7 was going to collapse. They evacuated all rescue and emergency personnel from that area alone. It fell about eight hours after the other buildings. Look at this map and tell me why this building collapsed while others did not.