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Barry Bonds to be suspended, forced retirement?
« on: March 08, 2006, 09:43:28 PM »
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Suspension in works for Bonds?
Chicago Tribune
March 8, 2006

Commissioner Bud Selig was worried enough about Barry Bonds' possible steroid use to arrange a meeting with him near the San Francisco Giants' training camp in the spring of 2004.

He was seeking to contain any possible damage to the sport as Bonds continued to move up the rankings of career home run hitters.
 
According to highly placed Major League Baseball sources, Selig extended a vague offer of leniency to Bonds if he had anything he wished to admit, including possible acts of perjury in his testimony to the BALCO grand jury. He told Bonds the consequences would be "much worse" if he professed innocence and later was revealed as a steroid user.

It appears they will be talking again.

This time it could be to discuss a possible suspension, which given Bonds' age and fragile knees could derail his run at Henry Aaron's record 755 home runs.

Bonds, who had told the grand jury he had never "knowingly" taken steroids, stuck to that story in his meeting with Selig in 2004, as he has consistently in his dealings with reporters. Yet suspicion since has stalked Bonds for two injury-plagued seasons and another 50 home runs, bringing him within six homers of Babe Ruth's 714 and 47 of Aaron's record.

During this time, MLB security officials have been "monitoring" the Bonds case, although top executives strongly denied they had begun a formal investigation when the New York Daily News reported that one was under way.

Bonds apparently has been clean in the three years MLB has tested players for steroids, but excerpts from an upcoming book, "Game of Shadows," painstakingly reported and researched by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters, document a pattern that began in 1999 and was in full swing in 2001 when Bonds hit a single-season record 73 home runs.

According to a close associate, Selig's initial response after reading the book excerpts in Sports Illustrated was: "Why am I not surprised now?"

The Chronicle's Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams have spent three years covering the story and gained access to a vast array of sources and records. Their reporting for the newspaper raised serious questions about Bonds' denials, but the picture of Bonds' steroid regimen painted in the book left many, including Selig, taken aback.

"It's even worse than I thought," he said, according to a source who had discussed the issue with him. "I'm very concerned."

Selig danced around a flurry of Bonds-related questions during a news conference before a World Baseball Classic game on Wednesday in Phoenix.

"I will review all the material that's relative in every way," Selig said. "And obviously, we've only seen parts of things. The book itself doesn't come out until the end of the month, but we'll review everything that there is to look at. And at some appropriate time, I'll have further comment."

Because Bonds has not tested positive or in any other way been in specific violation of baseball's tougher policy banning performance-enhancing substances, it is unclear whether MLB can discipline him as a result of the latest reporting.

But, according to a highly placed MLB source, Selig is considering a range of possible responses, including a suspension. While Selig is known for moving deliberately, the source said it is possible a ruling of some kind could be made before the Giants' opener April 3.

The Major League Baseball Players Association almost certainly would challenge a suspension, but an angry Selig seems to have little to lose, even if an arbitrator overturned his ruling.

He spoke often about "integrity" issues in baseball as a reason for a stronger steroids program before the penalty for a first-time offense was increased to 50 games last winter, and the lack of discipline for Bonds might raise the same integrity issues.

Little angers Selig more than the accusation that he and other MLB executives gave tacit approval to widespread steroid use after the strike that wiped out the 1994 World Series damaged baseball's popularity. In "Game of Shadows" Fainaru-Wada and Williams write the Giants have turned a blind eye toward Bonds. Selig might think he needs to act to show that someone is accountable.

Selig declined to discuss his powers in this case.

"[I will] determine that at the appropriate time," he said.

At the very least, it seems Selig could be forced to do what he previously had said he would not, attach some form of qualifier in the record books next to Bonds' name.

"Well, the fact of the matter is that … we have no empirical data before 2003," Selig said. "I've heard a lot of people make observations. I've even used the term McCarthyism in some great regard about people who without much evidence other than what they believe is anecdotal evidence say, well, this person did it or that person did it.

"I'm going to be very sensitive about all that because, after all, you're playing with people's lives and their reputations. You ought to be very careful. All of us ought to be careful. The commissioner certainly is going to be careful."

Selig then was asked if there is now more evidence than there had been when he previously had said there wasn't enough to discredit Bonds.

"Again, I'm not in a position to make that judgment," he said.

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Re: Barry Bonds to be suspended, forced retirement?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2006, 02:11:19 AM »
Oh well. Then so be it. As a Giants fan, this is very embarrasing.

Sad thing is, Bonds will now pay for what MANY were doing. He was not the only one cheating. Like I said, now he will be crucified by the media, given that he has always been such a prick.


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Re: Barry Bonds to be suspended, forced retirement?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2006, 02:16:59 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2006, 04:04:27 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2006, 05:40:49 AM »
If Selig tried to suspend Bonds based on rumor,innuendo,taped conversations and speculation,Major League baseball would get their rear end sued off.THERE WAS NO RULE BANNING STEROIDS!!!!!Therefore Bonds broke no rules of the game.Untill they have a failed drug test Selig can do NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2006, 05:48:29 AM »
Except that the documentation has Bonds on these cocktails after MBL banned some of those drugs.

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2006, 05:56:57 AM »
With the new book coming out...where are these facts coming from? A snitch or Bonds himself

One has to think these facts are true as it seems that Bonds is taking no legal recourse to stop the printing of this book...

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 06:23:57 AM »
Most of these "facts" are just reprinted material thats been out for the last couple of years.The main people quoted in the book are Bond' ex-mistress,Victor Conte and Gregg Anderson.Anderson and Conte[convicted felons] are quoted from wire taps and taped phone conversations.NONE of this would stand up in court.Conte has said publically that he NEVER gave Bonds STEROIDS,how would the jury believe anything that came out of his mouth.Remember this.Both Conte and Anderson could have reduced their jail sentances to nothing if they wanted to flip on Bonds,neither did.Selig and major league baseball has no proof Bonds has done anything knowingly.Here is a guarantee.Unless Bonds has a failed drug test NOTHING will happen to him.He will break Babe Ruths record and retire after the season without breaking Aarons.

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 07:07:06 AM »
Most of these "facts" are just reprinted material thats been out for the last couple of years.The main people quoted in the book are Bond' ex-mistress,Victor Conte and Gregg Anderson.Anderson and Conte[convicted felons] are quoted from wire taps and taped phone conversations.NONE of this would stand up in court.Conte has said publically that he NEVER gave Bonds STEROIDS,how would the jury believe anything that came out of his mouth.Remember this.Both Conte and Anderson could have reduced their jail sentances to nothing if they wanted to flip on Bonds,neither did.Selig and major league baseball has no proof Bonds has done anything knowingly.Here is a guarantee.Unless Bonds has a failed drug test NOTHING will happen to him.He will break Babe Ruths record and retire after the season without breaking Aarons.

I agree, at this point the thing Bonds wants more than anything is to pass Ruth. Bonds has no respect for Ruth because he didn't play against blacks and because Bonds hates the white man anyway.

I think he's smart enough to know that no one including MLB wants him to pass Aaron and he will retire at the end of this season 15-25 HR's short of Aaron's record.

As far as MLB or the Giants penalizing him it won't happen. As reprehensible as he is the Giants knew all along what he was doing, they even let his drug guru's have the run of the team's workout facilities even though the Giants own training staff didn't want them there.

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 07:32:19 AM »
Anderson and Conte[convicted felons] are quoted from wire taps and taped phone conversations.NONE of this would stand up in court.

Um...yes, it would stand up in court.  How in the hell do you finally think they finally nabbed John Gotti?  They had been going after him for years and they finally busted him on wiretaps. 

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Conte has said publically that he NEVER gave Bonds STEROIDS,how would the jury believe anything that came out of his mouth.Remember this.

Oh, he publicly denied it; what a shock.  And Gotti said for years he never had anybody killed.  What's your point?

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Both Conte and Anderson could have reduced their jail sentances to nothing if they wanted to flip on Bonds,neither did.


Maybe they're just decent enough guys that they didn't want to throw him under the bus, too.  That or perhaps they were scared of the repercussions if they did turn on him.  There could be a number of reason why they didn't flip.  The point is, just because they didn't "go canary" on him doesn't mean he didn't do it.

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Here is a guarantee.Unless Bonds has a failed drug test NOTHING will happen to him.He will break Babe Ruths record and retire after the season without breaking Aarons.

Wrong again.  If those wiretaps do exist and they are admitted in court the Federal Grand Jury that he appeared before during the "steroid hearings" will nail him hard on perjury.  He may not be disciplined by the MLB, but I'd be a lot more worried about conviction by the federal government than a professional sports league.

The matter of the wiretaps is not whether they would stand up in court.  It's a matter of whether they'd be admitted or not (wiretaps are always a question of privacy invasion).  If they are allowed, however, you can bet your ass they'll do everything they can to get Bonds for perjury and make an example of him.

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 07:33:08 AM »
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Re: Barry Bonds to be suspended, forced retirement?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 07:33:33 AM »
have you seen the size of his freakin skull?

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 07:49:06 AM »
Of course it would stand up in court, wake up. It's all in very detailed drug administration schedules kept for each client, thanks to Bonds' mania to exceed McGwire by ramping up from his own drug dealer to Balco. Balco's detailed files were readily provided to investigators, as were parallel files provided by Bonds' original trainer/drug source. From these files the reporters did the rest.

There are also taped admissions.

Those files will also prove that he lied in court.

Because it's all very detailed, dated and names names, the commissioner will have a firm basis for suspending Bonds given that he was on a huge cocktail of drugs after some of those drugs were illegal to use in baseball.

Do the reading instead of speculating.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/index.html

Drug use documentation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth.doc0313/

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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2006, 07:50:06 AM »
Wrong again.  If those wiretaps do exist and they are admitted in court the Federal Grand Jury that he appeared before during the "steroid hearings" will nail him hard on perjury.  He may not be disciplined by the MLB, but I'd be a lot more worried about conviction by the federal government than a professional sports league.

The matter of the wiretaps is not whether they would stand up in court.  It's a matter of whether they'd be admitted or not (wiretaps are always a question of privacy invasion).  If they are allowed, however, you can bet your ass they'll do everything they can to get Bonds for perjury and make an example of him.
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Unles they Have Bonds on tape, nothing happens.

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 07:54:43 AM »
Wrong again, do the reading. Stop obsessing on tape, it's only part of a mountain of evidence.

They have his detailed drug protocols from two different sources, as well as payment and testing information, as well as various witnesses. The baseball commish is now saying that he didn't realize the extent of the doping and thinks that it would be the basis for a suspension.

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Re: Barry Bonds to be suspended, forced retirement?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2006, 07:56:16 AM »
Didn't I say unless?????????

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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 07:57:12 AM »
You sound like one of his lawyers. He's done. Couldn't happen to a nicer A-hole. Most of the evidence was generated by his mania to exceed the "white boy".

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2006, 07:58:33 AM »
Of course it would stand up in court, wake up. It's all in very detailed drug administration schedules kept for each client, thanks to Bonds' mania to exceed McGwire by ramping up from his own drug dealer to Balco. Balco's detailed files were readily provided to investigators, as were parallel files provided by Bonds' original trainer/drug source. From these files the reporters did the rest.

There are also taped admissions.

Those files will also prove that he lied in court.

Because it's all very detailed, dated and names names, the commissioner will have a firm basis for suspending Bonds given that he was on a huge cocktail of drugs after some of those drugs were illegal to use in baseball.

Do the reading instead of speculating.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/index.html

Drug use documentation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth.doc0313/

Holy shit, I didn't even know about the paper evidence (from the second link):

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At Anderson's apartment, investigators found steroids, growth hormone and $60,000 in cash, along with a folder that contained doping calendars and other documents detailing Bonds's use of steroids. Prosecutors questioned Bonds about the documents during his appearance before the grand jury. Some document entries reflect payments for drugs for Bonds: $1,500 for two boxes of growth hormone; $450 for a bottle of Depotestosterone; $100 for 100 Clomiphene pills; $200 for the Cream and the Clear. Other entries reflect Bonds's drug cycle: For February 2002, a calendar showed alternating days of the Cream, the Clear and growth hormone followed by "Clow," or Clomid.

A document labeled "BLB 2003" listed cities where the Giants played away games in 2003, with notations for the use of growth hormone, the Clear, the Cream and insulin on specific days. Other documents associated with Bonds referred to the use of trenbolone and "beans," the Mexican steroid. At Anderson's apartment, and in a search of BALCO's trash, the agents also found evidence of Bonds's blood being sent to drug labs for steroid testing."


Nevermind the wiretaps, if this stuff exists he doesn't stand a chance...

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2006, 08:00:52 AM »
You sound like one of his lawyers.

I know, right?  :D  Some people just absolutely won't believe it no matter how much evidence they're presented with.  "Barry Bonds is a hero, he would never do something like that!"  I don't know why some people are so defensive of him.

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Re: Barry Bonds to be suspended, forced retirement?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2006, 08:01:16 AM »
cheater
and that's why bodybuilding isnt a sport because cheating is allowed

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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2006, 08:03:59 AM »
My question is who really gives a fuck?  We all knew he was on, and he's an asshole so.....

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2006, 08:05:54 AM »
This information has been out for two freaking years and guess what?Nothing has happened and nothing will happen.I will say this.I do think the IRS will go after Bonds soon in a tax evasion charge.However, as far as baseball goes ,they are going to hold their nose and hopes this whole thing goes away.

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2006, 08:08:18 AM »
This information has been out for two freaking years and guess what?Nothing has happened and nothing will happen.

It takes a long time to put a case together, especially for the federal government.  Sometimes trials can drag on for years, even over a decade in some instances.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2006, 08:10:26 AM »
Bonds's physical changes during this time were consistent with steroid use. His hair fell out, and he began shaving his head. Perhaps it was her imagination, but the head itself seemed to be getting larger, and the plates of his skull bones stood out in bold relief. Bonds's back broke out in acne, and he would stand in front of the bathroom mirror and say, "Oh, my God, I don't know where this is coming from." Bonds also suffered sexual dysfunction, another common side effect of steroid use.

Bonds became more quick-tempered. When his anger at Bell flared now, he would grab her, stand close to her and whisper intimidating, hurtful things. He insisted on knowing where she was at every hour of the day or night. If he couldn't find her, he would become enraged, and he told her he would kill her if he found she was seeing someone else. Her social life evaporated. He called her so many times at work that her boss began to complain. And his rages became increasingly violent.

Bell used a telephone answering machine with a tape cassette; when one tape filled up, she'd toss it in a drawer and put in a new one. She began saving the voice mails after a few bleak occasions on which Bonds threatened to kill her, remarking that if she disappeared, no one would be able to prove he even knew her. The messages showed the trajectory of their nine years together.

As the government would learn, Bonds and his inner circle hadn't been so discreet about his use of performance-enhancing drugs. By the time Bonds was subpoenaed before the BALCO grand jury, more than a dozen people either had been told directly that he was using banned drugs, had seen him using the drugs with their own eyes, or had been provided with information that made the conclusion he was doping inescapable.

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2006, 08:11:01 AM »
People defend him because he is taking the fall for a whole league.MANY guys were using steroids,yet somehow Bonds is paying the entire price because he is better then EVERYBODY else.Also,I dont think he is an a-hole.I love it that there is at least one athlete who tells the media where to stick it and I also love it that he doesnt think he owes me,as a fan,anything but to produce.I dont ned an athlete to shake my hand or give me a picture.I want them to produce on the field and he does it better then everyoneLastly,using steroids is only cheating if there is a rule against it and while he used ,there was no rule.