This is why we lose

[JOHN MATRIX]

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html

these monsters were buried on American soil and given the 'proper Islamic funeral rites' and processes...

WTF??? they should have been boiled in a vat of left over bacon grease from McDonalds and dropped into the ocean from a helicopter whilst strapped to pig carcasses with a bible and a torah stapled to each hand and a penis drawn on their foreheads!!!

by the way Tashfeen malik or whatever... Scottie Pippen called, he wants his nose back

[whork]

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html

these monsters were buried on American soil and given the 'proper Islamic funeral rites' and processes...

WTF??? they should have been boiled in a vat of left over bacon grease from McDonalds and dropped into the ocean from a helicopter whilst strapped to pig carcasses with a bible and a torah stapled to each hand and a penis drawn on their foreheads!!!

by the way Tashfeen malik or whatever... Scottie Pippen called, he wants his nose back

You are not losing calm down.

[240 is Back]

don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

[headhuntersix]

He also bought stuff to make bombs....and your blaming guns! How exactly would u stop a straw purchase. How often have you purchased a gun 240?


This is the problem..no muslims.....
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

[Kazan]

don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

So your solution is to screw law abiding citizens because of what might happen? Hell you might say something that offends me, maybe we should put restrictions on that. .gov has already shit all over the 2nd and 4th amendments, whats next? People die everyday for all kinds of different reasons, not giving up my rights for what ifs.

[240 is Back]

He also bought stuff to make bombs....and your blaming guns! How exactly would u stop a straw purchase. How often have you purchased a gun 240?

where did I blame guns?

I blamed private, anonymous sales of guns.   THis prick was scared to get one in his name.  buyer prick was scared to break the law.  If private sales without ID are banned, then buyer prick doesn't buy these guns for shooter prick.  And shooter prick was too scared to get it in his name.

There's a chance that without this loophole letting buyer prick sell without ID, then shooter never gets these guns.

The guns are fine... just buy them legally.  Just run a doggone background check.  I can't vote without ID, cause that'd be too messed up... but dude can buy 2 AR-15s without ID?  Hmmm

[Kazan]

where did I blame guns?

I blamed private, anonymous sales of guns.   THis prick was scared to get one in his name.  buyer prick was scared to break the law.  If private sales without ID are banned, then buyer prick doesn't buy these guns for shooter prick.  And shooter prick was too scared to get it in his name.

There's a chance that without this loophole letting buyer prick sell without ID, then shooter never gets these guns.

The guns are fine... just buy them legally.  Just run a doggone background check.  I can't vote without ID, cause that'd be too messed up... but dude can buy 2 AR-15s without ID?  Hmmm

Hmmmmm fucking what? Read the constitution, shall not be infringed.

Definition - act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on

People have to get a drivers license, but they still drive drunk even though it is illegal.

[240 is Back]

People have to get a drivers license, but they still drive drunk even though it is illegal.

and if they break the law, they go to jail.

selling AK47s or AR15s to these 2 shooters?   Private sales without ID are legal, unfortunately.

[TuHolmes]

and if they break the law, they go to jail.

selling AK47s or AR15s to these 2 shooters?   Private sales without ID are legal, unfortunately.

You don't think people who shoot up places go to jail?

Or die?

[Kazan]

and if they break the law, they go to jail.

selling AK47s or AR15s to these 2 shooters?   Private sales without ID are legal, unfortunately.

You argument is non sense, If I sell a car to someone privately I don't ask them for a drivers license or make sure a back ground check is done. For all I know they have 10 dui's or no license at all. They could go out and plow into a crowd at 80 mph, should I blame the car? Besides driving is not a constitutional right, it is a state regulated privilege.

Your argument falls apart because people are the problem, not inanimate objects. So your answer is, since whatever % of people might do something, penalize everyone. Fuck that, .gov does not get to decide how I protect myself and my family from those that would do me harm.

[JOHN MATRIX]

You argument is non sense, If I sell a car to someone privately I don't ask them for a drivers license or make sure a back ground check is done. For all I know they have 10 dui's or no license at all. They could go out and plow into a crowd at 80 mph, should I blame the car? Besides driving is not a constitutional right, it is a state regulated privilege.

Your argument falls apart because people are the problem, not inanimate objects. So your answer is, since whatever % of people might do something, penalize everyone. Fuck that, .gov does not get to decide how I protect myself and my family from those that would do me harm.

they never have any answer for this. when you start applying their 'logic' about guns to other things, they have nothing to say because they realize how stupid it sounds

[JOHN MATRIX]

don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

it was a straw purchase, already illegal.

and if they couldn't get them though legit sources, they could have just got them from the same back-channel people who gave them $28,000 and pipe bomb materials 

[240 is Back]

he COULD get the gun thru legit sources.  He had no criminal record.

He just didn't want the gun in his name.  (some getbiggers have said they do the same thing to keep guns out of their names)

[Kazan]

he COULD get the gun thru legit sources.  He had no criminal record.

He just didn't want the gun in his name.  (some getbiggers have said they do the same thing to keep guns out of their names)

And?

[240 is Back]

And?

Buyer was scared to attack anyone.
Shooter was scared to buy a gun thru a dealer.

Without the loophole, there's a chance that shooter doesn't get those rifles.  Sure it was a strawman, but they did use the pvt sale loophole to get the terrorists the guns.  Buyer was scared to break any laws, he thought it was legal. (he admitted strawman sale because he didn't lawyer up - if he had lawyered up, with shooter dead, he could have just said it was a private sale)

I know, everyone wants to hide their guns. 

[Kazan]

Buyer was scared to attack anyone.
Shooter was scared to buy a gun thru a dealer.

Without the loophole, there's a chance that shooter doesn't get those rifles.  Sure it was a strawman, but they did use the pvt sale loophole to get the terrorists the guns.  Buyer was scared to break any laws, he thought it was legal. (he admitted strawman sale because he didn't lawyer up - if he had lawyered up, with shooter dead, he could have just said it was a private sale)

I know, everyone wants to hide their guns. 

And the bottom line is people again.

[240 is Back]

And the bottom line is people again.

what?

[Kazan]

what?

People are the problem, not the tool. Maybe it's time to pour a little clorox in the gene pool.

[240 is Back]

People are the problem, not the tool. Maybe it's time to pour a little clorox in the gene pool.

maybe we should kill off stupid people?  is that what you're saying?

of course, i never said guns kill people.  BUT I do agree if you're not willing to put your name on the gun, well, there's a good chance you're a felon, a terrorist, or up to something shady.

This shooter specifically didn't want his name coming up with an AR15 was used to shoot 50 people.  IF IF he got away with it, there'd be no record of him buying it.  A record of it would get him caught quick and convicted immediately.  BUT he wanted to use that loophole to buy it witohut any record, so he could kill and get away with it.

not a great rallying cry for the pro-loophole crowd.

[TuHolmes]

maybe we should kill off stupid people?  is that what you're saying?

of course, i never said guns kill people.  BUT I do agree if you're not willing to put your name on the gun, well, there's a good chance you're a felon, a terrorist, or up to something shady.

This shooter specifically didn't want his name coming up with an AR15 was used to shoot 50 people.  IF IF he got away with it, there'd be no record of him buying it.  A record of it would get him caught quick and convicted immediately.  BUT he wanted to use that loophole to buy it witohut any record, so he could kill and get away with it.

not a great rallying cry for the pro-loophole crowd.

So you are ok with the Government having a single database of ALL guns in the US and who owns them?

What if someone unsavory gets that list? What potential damage could be done with it? Perhaps knowing whose door to break down first?

[Kazan]

maybe we should kill off stupid people?  is that what you're saying?

of course, i never said guns kill people.  BUT I do agree if you're not willing to put your name on the gun, well, there's a good chance you're a felon, a terrorist, or up to something shady.

This shooter specifically didn't want his name coming up with an AR15 was used to shoot 50 people.  IF IF he got away with it, there'd be no record of him buying it.  A record of it would get him caught quick and convicted immediately.  BUT he wanted to use that loophole to buy it witohut any record, so he could kill and get away with it.

not a great rallying cry for the pro-loophole crowd.

Or maybe you are looking for specific gun that you can't buy anymore from a gun store.

Now you are all over the road, he goes in kills a bunch of people, and gets away with it, but because his name is attached to the gun he will get caught. How exactly is that going to happen, other than him leaving the weapon at the scene, I think you have seen to many episodes of NCIS.

[bears]

Buyer was scared to attack anyone.
Shooter was scared to buy a gun thru a dealer.

Without the loophole, there's a chance that shooter doesn't get those rifles.  Sure it was a strawman, but they did use the pvt sale loophole to get the terrorists the guns.  Buyer was scared to break any laws, he thought it was legal. (he admitted strawman sale because he didn't lawyer up - if he had lawyered up, with shooter dead, he could have just said it was a private sale)

I know, everyone wants to hide their guns. 

I think this is a case where you are technically correct, but realistically incorrect.

without the loophole, there's a small, tiny, miniscule, chance that the guy wouldn't get the rifles. 

if a guy wants to kill people with a gun in order to win his eternal salvation.............he's getting a fucking gun.

[240 is Back]

Or maybe you are looking for specific gun that you can't buy anymore from a gun store.

Now you are all over the road, he goes in kills a bunch of people, and gets away with it, but because his name is attached to the gun he will get caught. How exactly is that going to happen, other than him leaving the weapon at the scene, I think you have seen to many episodes of NCIS.

why is this continually going in weird direction of "blame the guns" and "blame a specific gun".

Cause the simple argument - it's LEGAL in 2/3 of the states to sell guns out of your trunk to anyone without an ID - is one that is a little tough for you to defend?

A felon can walk out of prison, go to a gun show, and use his prison earnings to buy ten AK-47s, new in box, an hour later.  No background check, no criminal check, nothing... that bothers me.

And terrorists can buy their long arms and use them and remain UNTRACED because their names aren't on the list of people in that area who have them.  They knew that - they had a buddy buy them, so if/when they go away, nobody would even LOOK at them for it.  imagine that. 

[Kazan]

why is this continually going in weird direction of "blame the guns" and "blame a specific gun".

Cause the simple argument - it's LEGAL in 2/3 of the states to sell guns out of your trunk to anyone without an ID - is one that is a little tough for you to defend?

A felon can walk out of prison, go to a gun show, and use his prison earnings to buy ten AK-47s, new in box, an hour later.  No background check, no criminal check, nothing... that bothers me.

And terrorists can buy their long arms and use them and remain UNTRACED because their names aren't on the list of people in that area who have them.  They knew that - they had a buddy buy them, so if/when they go away, nobody would even LOOK at them for it.  imagine that. 

I don't need to fucking defend anything, read the constitution. And if you want .gov to have a "list" of people who have guns, you are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. They already have a super secret no fly list, that is working out well, Ted Kennedy was on it, but he was still in congress...........

[240 is Back]

read the constitution.

where in the constitution do they mention "right to sell arms to felons"?

Or is this magically a "well, if the constitution doesn't point out something exactly, then it's legal inherently" ?